EVE Online

It's a Kickstarter project, the ships and bonuses you get are incentives for funding the development of the game, they don't have a giant publisher behind them budgeting and setting deadlines, they're building it for a community of space-sim fans and it's being funded by a community of space-sim fans. Again, do some research, they're going to use a subscription based model just like EVE when it's released, the only difference is the majority of the money they get from subscriptions will be used to further the development of the game and not line the pockets of executives.

I hope you don't judge every book by it's cover.

When I read your post the first thing that comes to mind is that you're an ignorant bigot who doesn't know what a kickstarter project is and judges games based on a quick 3 second look at the front page of their website.

Way to make yourself look like a total douchebag.

There's a difference between a kickstarter donation and a big ass inventory you get in return for your 200$. I mean, play that game and all that but don't annoy me or every EVE player you find about it, and especially don't insult me with lines you should throw at yourself instead. Like I said, keep that until you can actually present me a game that works for more than a month, now keep that shit out of here

For $275 you get one ship, 10,000 credits and six months worth of subscription time, those are the only items on that list that effect game-play, and if you had actually done any research you'd realize that it isn't even that much of a boost. Clearly you aren't very familiar with most Kickstarters related to games, they usually offer extreme game-play advantages for some of the leading packages. Nothing below High-admiral ($1150) gives you a decent advantage over other players. Everything else you get for the $275 option is physical media, clearly you didn't even take the time to read through them.

I will post what I want, where I want as long as it's within the rules of the board, and you do not decide what gets to be posted, let alone in a thread that isn't even yours.

My intention was not to "annoy" you, or other EVE players (I've been playing EVE for years, by the way.) I made a simple post and you replied with blind ignorance, I corrected you and now you've responded yet again with the same blind ignorance. Call what I wrote an insult or whatever else you want, it's the truth. If you had actually studied the game even just a little bit instead of forming an opinion in three seconds you wouldn't have made an ass of yourself, accept it, save some face and move on.

I see a dude that can't let go and is overly sensitive about a game as soon as it gets negative responses. This is not how you deliver arguments and make your game look good to other people.

Keeping that shit out of here was me being nice as usual and giving you some advice because there is literally noone here that shows any interest in the game or in what you're trying to prove. You're trying to force your view on the game onto me. I don't want to play it because it has an item mall, and you saying that "it's not THAT big of a deal' doesn't interest me. Why can't you go and overhype that game of yours in it's respective thread?

I am not trying to force anything on you, I am correcting your mistakes. You didn't take the time to research the game properly and provided misinformation for anyone else who read your post, if anything you're the one forcing your view on other people out of ignorance. You are taking what I've written out of context to make yourself look better. I did not say the item mall isn't that big of a deal, I said it does not exist. Did you miss the part where I said they were using a subscription-based income model? The part where I corrected you when you said the Kickstarter incentives were an item mall?

Star Citizen does not have an item mall, it's clear you had no idea what you're talking about when you made your first post and still don't. Don't voice your opinion if you don't have anything to ground it with. He's only trying to correct what you've written so other people don't get the wrong idea about the game, there's a big difference between that and zealous defense.

So, the website is lying about providing people with in-game items and ships for money? If I can't refer the website for information, where do I go? This seems to be a very big misunderstanding that happened from applying common sense, I am sorry for being ignorant. Please clear this topic up here so other people that look into here for EVE don't end up making the mistake and interpreting the information that is provided on this incredibly relevant game's website.

Now, all that laughing I did while writing this aside, you could've cleared the entire thing up by telling me some actual information. Maybe I'm wrong about the quality of the ships that get provided, maybe they're easily accessable in-game anyway, despite their description of being item-mall specific ships. I didn't bother looking that far, gotta admit my ignorance.



I would be fine with being wrong, but I'm presented an item mall, if they're going to remove it after release or not is even not all that relevant to me - I don't want to be forced to shop ahead. This is not zealous defense. You're not really providing me with anything to work with here, so I feel like I'm just getting randomly raged at for not blindly hyping the game. This eventually leads to me not taking you all that serious anymore. But to be honest, it kinda annoys me to see this thread being full of shit now, so you got me there at least. I also really don't want to respond anymore to keep this from being worse, especially since I fear for the other guy's blood pressure. If I don't see a detailed rundown on why this isn't an item mall (In the other thread, preferably) I just won't respond anymore.

It seems to me, from how aggressive everyone else is about that topic, that the game is getting a lot of shit from different directions, and you're just adapting to it. This is a wild guess, because I just re-read the entire thing and those responses seem to be heavily uncalled for, especially the insults. Either way, I don't really want anything to do with that, even less so if this is going to be the game's playerbase, haha.

You are not forced to shop ahead, you are taking the Kickstarter incentives out of context. You can either help fund early development of the game, or wait until release and play it then, as with any other Kickstarter game project. The point of Kickstarter game projects is to help developers become self-dependent, so they don't have to submit to the likes of publishers like EA who serve only to make money and fuck up the quality of the game.



Here's my post so you can re-read it, I don't understand how you thought I was talking about you when I wrote that Schroude wasn't zealously defending himself. Just another example of how well you're able to take things into context.

No one is raging at you, they are trying to tell you that you are wrong and that you are misinforming people, I have neither supported Star Citizen nor heard of it before reading Schroude's post in this thread, and it's clear to me that they don't have an item mall so that tosses your whole theory about over-hype out the window.

It is not our job to coddle you like a baby and provide you with all of the information you need to understand what a Kickstarter project is, before you formulate an opinion, before you make a post about your opinion, you should do the research, so you can avoid misinforming people.

Clearly you are not fine with being wrong if three different people have told you so and you still refuse to to accept the truth. You provided the misinformed opinion, it is not our job to prove you wrong, it is your job not to do so in the first place.

I'm with Nacho on this one, I will be surprised if this ever gets bigger than that Dark Prophecy game did(Alright, I wont be, but I'll be surprised if they'll actually be able to hold a candle to the sun that is EVE), but hey, what do I know? It might be cool, I will keep an eye on it nonetheless.

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Sounds like an item mall to me.

They asked the community in a forum poll vote and it was a unanimous no. Even EVE has micro-transactions, but in a similar way the items they refer to are things like name changes etc., standard MMO stuff, there's more about it on the forums.

A good portion (read: almost all) of the funding from Kickstarter came from EVE players. Although that's not really a surprise, pretty sure anyone seriously interested in space-sims plays EVE, it's practically the entire community at this point. Oh well, we'll have to wait and see, it's going to be hard to touch the $60+ million EVE pulls in each year for CCP, that's for sure.

We'll see how that pans out. That's one of the problems with pledging that your game will never ever be p2p and at the same time promise weekly to bi-weekly updates. They'll have to make money somehow (except the retail price) and that's where microtransactions come in. Now, I haven't looked into the forums that much but that FAQ clearly states that in-game items.




It's not all about money. There is no reason this game can't exist alongside EVE and be fairly successful. To be fair, Star Citizen and EVE have essentially nothing more in common than the "space" aspect. So most people will probably play both, but I doubt that any significant amount of EVE players would abandon their number-crunching, strategic, love-fest for something that is hardly more than a space-shooter-sim(gameplay-wise that is).

Anyhow, let's stop hogging the EVE thread with non-eve business.

Star Citizen aims to have an in-depth economic system that fluctuates realistically, this includes the ability to create corporations and trade resources en masse just as you would in EVE. It is a 4X game at heart just like EVE. The IRC channel and forums are really where you should be looking to find out what the game is really about.

Obviously matching the level of depth and complexity EVE has achieved isn't something to be taken lightly, even in the long-run. EVE has been around for many years and matching it's level of development; complexity and depth isn't something someone can expect to achieve in a short amount of time.

But like EVE, the developers of Star Citizen aim for the future, looking at where their game will be five years from now, hence the incredible LoD and texture sizes incapable of being rendered on even the fastest consumer-level products.

But I'll heed your wishes and stop cluttering the EVE thread with things not about EVE. Speaking of which I have a craving that needs sating, it's time to cause some disturbance in a few of my enemy's systems.

Odyssey is making a great impression so far. Lots of good changes except for the Stabber buffs, what the fuck. Because it wasn't the best cruiser in the game already.

The client has gotten some UI improvements also, but most of all I love the new gate jumping animation. It essentially replaces the loading screen and cuts down traveltime. I like this a lot.

I think I would lose myself if I played this game