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leonard267 wrote...
You fraud! It is now hours from the deadline and I have yet to see, let alone complain about your entry. I think I must say an apology to everyone here (and a personal apology to leonard) that I don't think I can have my entry ready for the deadline. This month has been way wild for me to have time to finish this one thing I was really looking forwards to all year.
That being said, I will still work on this piece to the best of my ability and give it to you guys in a few coming days. I promise!
I will still read through the entries (so far we have 3) and leave my comments as usual as well.
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
fuck school.bruh
leonard267 wrote...
Will it be coming out soon? Someone has already produced an entry! But that aside, what a coincidence! I now have an idea for a story. I have posted half written drafts somewhere in this forum.
You can't rush artists! That being said, I now have half of a first draft, so hopefully soon-ish.
leonard267 wrote...
I need to think of something silly again. A silly idea will come naturally enough.Funny because I have been having an idea for a story before the contest announcement that just fit right in the theme.
Ah, yes, here we go again.
And hello again everyone. Every time I've said I'd try to be here more often, alas, only to show up during this time of the year. Oh well. I have been stalking all day for this post.
I read through the Summer Contest post so I know why this year's word limits is up to 5000. There will be one of two scenarios for me: either I don't have to painstakingly edit my entry, or I will doubly do so.
I welcome both.
And hello again everyone. Every time I've said I'd try to be here more often, alas, only to show up during this time of the year. Oh well. I have been stalking all day for this post.
I read through the Summer Contest post so I know why this year's word limits is up to 5000. There will be one of two scenarios for me: either I don't have to painstakingly edit my entry, or I will doubly do so.
I welcome both.
leonard267 wrote...
Really? Could you name examples? The narrator IS rather pessimistic but not the characters in the stories I write. The last one was indeed a better attempt at comedy about an old man called Leonard harassing his former schoolmates on a trip to the mountains. The one before that was about a young adult being a rather unreasonable father following the example of his mother.
Admittedly, I didn't put much thought into writing this as much as I would like. You can see this from the lack of plot here and I blame my inability to manage both work and writing on a commercial site that sells pornographic material.
Yeah, like you say. They all sound pessimistic because the narration was way too pessimistic about everything. Although I agree that they were quite lively in their own part. Like this guy who decides to continue to work even when the Worker's Union would not allow it and then file his children as ungrateful pricks and put them into a unwanted lawsuit. But such is life, and maybe such is Otto's ultimate plan up to his demise.
I would not say that I was really entertained though. I can sense the lack of effort in this piece as opposed to to your previous work. All I think was that it must suck to be old and that thought is certainly not exciting.
And I'm also eagerly anticipating your reply to my entry and we can have a positively civilized argument about it.
leonard267 wrote...
Dishonourable mention : Dawn of Dark I literally loled at this part and everybody on campus thought I was crazy. Small price to pay for a 'mention' in one of the jugde's opinion.
Congratulations to the winners this year. These were some good pieces of writing, though I may have sounded very distasteful about most of them. They were great nonetheless.
Another year without a prize for me, but oh well, (I hope) there's always next year.
I would also like to have the jugdes' comments on my entry, though some might have said already that it was gibberish. I would say that I definitely did not spend as much time as I would love to, like the previous year's entry, and thus was not of much favor. But there's always much more to learn in failures than in successes. So yeah, bombard away with the bad impressions!
Cinia Pacifica wrote...
Dawn_of_Dark wrote...
Congrats to the winners. That's the first time we have a tie.By the way, my reply to your post in my thread is delayed thanks to studies and RPing, but it'll come soon. Your post is a bit too big.
Sure, I'm already shitting myself with studies and work.
RavenxSinon wrote...
That's a recurring problem for me. A lot of the stuff I write often lack impact (which is a part of my style of writing I hope to improve in the future).Practice makes perfect, so they say.
Thanks for taking the time to speak with me about my work. I'll keep in mind the comments you had for it for my future works.
No problemo. I love saying bad things about other people (jk).
RavenxSinon wrote...
By the way, I'm sorry for my late reply. I had to prepare some stuff since our break from school is about to end.Me too. Going back to school tomorrow can be such a drag, haha.
(I completely forgot to add in a bit about the Father)
You and Sound of Destiny (in his case, the mother). It's kinda funny to see how you can overlook such a significant detail.
Speaking of which, congratulations to you (and him) going to the finals. It was well earned.
Congratulations to RavenxSinon. Your entry this year truly earned you your place in the finals. Good luck.
Sound of Destiny wrote...
I'll go ahead and get the more technical things out of the way. First of all, the formatting for this story is very unappealing. I held off reading this because the giant walls of text just made it very hard to sit through. Whether or not you did this intentionally to achieve a specific effect, you should be aware that it does make it a challenge to read.Your review is unappealing to read.
Joke. I concede that even though I did that intentionally and I'm fully aware that readers will be reluctant to read walls of text, it did more harm than good. Even though I made it a rule to read everybody's entry in this contest, this is definitely going to be the last one that I will read.
Second, there are many grammatical errors that I spotted. Aside from that, there were also sentences that just didn't make sense to me or sounded really unnatural. I won't give examples because there are plenty of them and they're spread across the entire work. Just read it again slowly and I'm sure you'll spot some.
I'm not sure, I have looked it over many times before submitting and a few times after I do, too. Urgh, but it's too hard to spot your own errors, heh. It's easier to belittle someone else than yourself, it seems, hahaha.
As a whole, I feel like this story lacks focus and proper direction. All the references that you jam in there honestly feel like an afterthought to me. Like you already had something there but decided to just throw in jokes and references that don't really relate well with what's being said. The humor in general is all over the place. Sometimes it's snarky but other times it's immature and while this does characterize the narrator, it makes it harder to identify his personality.
Spoiler:
The "human" in the story didn't feel very relevant to the grand scheme of things either. You introduce him then ignore him for a while then bring him back in the end. He doesn't do anything significant and his situation didn't appear to add much to the story. To me, he just seems like a tool to make the "narrator is god" angle more impactful.
The 'human' can use a bit more work, I agree. But the way he was introduced, then ignored, then brought back is also the way I chose it to be. Part of this is a supposedly twist on the conventional storytelling method, as this piece, the narrator is 'the main character' when talking in a third person perspective, and the 'human', the main character, is nowhere as important. Like you said, he was there to portray more about this 'God'. Whether that makes for good effects is another question. His situation is of course dire to himself, but not so interesting for the 'God', apparently. It's perfectly sensible if you can't like it.
There were also so many parts that you could have trimmed down. We only have 2000 words so you need to make the best use of them as you can. Cut out all the fat and just leave the essentials, everything that needs to be there or that adds something significant to the story. When you throw too much fluff it just bogs down the flow and pacing of everything.
I would argue that these are the essentials. Yes, they could have been trimmed down, and you could still get the idea, but I consciously chose to write them down, and I even cut out other things so that the 'fats' can remain. These 'fats' are my focus, not my tool to prove another point. As I said somewhere in the other comments, it is the idea of humans' stupidity that tires us all, or in another words, it is just as tiresome for him to list them out as for you to read it.
I think you had a lot to say in this piece but the manner in which you portray and convey this message didn't do it for me. Your message/theme got too muddied by your lack of a concrete focal point to string together every other element.
I believe I have a point in this one, but it's up to everyone's interpretations of their own experience.
I wouldn't put too much weight on my opinion though.
I would, I never take anything lightly. For me, it's always to the extreme of not doing it and doing it (or sink trying) to the perfection.
I wasn't really able to analyze this piece in great detail because it was too much of a challenge for me to read through it multiple times.
It's a real joy to me that anyone take their time to read it at all. Thank you.
To add one more point to the format, you can clearly read that this is a first-person narration. I can't say for other people, though I imagine everybody else would do the same, whenever I read a first-person story, I immerse myself as if I were the character. A figure with immense pride, in his head, this is what I imagine a dickhead will say. You can criticize me for keep saying 'this is for the characterization' without any thoughts about how detrimental it can be for readers' experiences, but I would say that dealing with an asshole is unpleasant in real life, just like this story.
Sorry for being so negative. I didn't want to have to say so many mean things but since you went through the effort to make a long comment on my work, it's only fair that I do the same.
Eh, that's ok. I can be way more negative to other people. What you call 'mean things' are 'constructive criticism' and I'm grateful that you really gave your thoughts into writing this for me.
Either way, I wish you luck in the polls!
Haha, thanks, but I can already see my fate.
I think you will like my last year's entry better than this, although the format is messed up since FAKKU remove some old options.
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
I'd say Bomberman Hero on the N64 was my favorite. Heh, I wish I had a N64, but my childhood was grown on a GBA.
RavenxSinon wrote...
Well first, I'll commend the effort you put into researching the facts that you stated in this work.Most of them are my own knowledge, though it's true that I had a great time reading up on them whenever they came up when I wrote this.
However, I think most of the other stuff I'll mention have already been said by the other people who commented before me.
That's cool, meaning that I know the prime problems that don't work for the majority of readers.
1. I'm not really a fan of how you split the paragraphs. They just looked like a thick wall of text and it was kinda overwhelming and boring to read through.
Agree. But I will also try to explain my reasons behind this, which I have written above, if you will be so kind to scroll up.
Or not:
Spoiler:
In another words, I chose to do so because I thought it adds to the portrayal of the character as being obnoxious on purpose and is awfully informed about everything.
I have also written about it the the previous comments, if you want to read more about this.
2. Grammatical errors were present as well as some missing words. For instance: "This seems the future, doesn't it" at the end of the first paragraph. Some were alright as they weren't really obvious, but some were obvious enough that they could break the flow of reading.
I will have to read it again to spot the grammatical errors you talk of.
With the "This seems the future, doesn't it?" part, I will argue that this sentence has perfectly acceptable grammars and structures, albeit it does not being used in modern American English. I have said in my footnote in the original post that there was paragraph I wanted to write in 1800-1900 French literature style, the kind of style you can read in translations of renown works of French authors of that time, namely Alexandre Dumas, père (The Count of Monte Cristo [1844], The Three Musketeers - [1844]), Victor Hugo (Les Misérables [1862], The Hunchback of Notre-Dame [1831]), and Jules Verne (Journey to the Center of the Earth [1864], Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea [1870], and Around the World in Eighty Days [1873]). I later decided against in fear of not having enough literature ability to do so. However, you can still read some sentences that I wrote and decided to keep it so.
Usually, you will adhere to a consistent style of writing of an era in order to uphold respect for the language. However, like many aspects of this piece, I want to portray this guy as a omnipotent being with unlimited knowledge and authority to do absolutely anything. So I guess you can say it's technically an error, but I will choose to stand by my decision.
3. There were some instances wherein the narrator was making some intellectual, mature jokes, while sometimes, he would make some overly childish ones, so it was sort of confusing to tell his real personality unless if you were going for something like the narrator being bipolar or something.
As said above:
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4. I feel like you could have done much more, even with the 2000 word limit. There were some parts that were just overkill with the amount of information they presented. By cutting off some of those parts, you can most likely add something more substantial to your "psychopathic ranting".
It could have been more substantial. I wasn't entirely satisfied with the version I have posted here, but it was contented. However, I will defend my point in 'overkilling' (as above):
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All in all, I can't say I enjoyed it too much. By the way, I'm sorry for my short comment to your work as opposed to your long comment on my work. I'm just really not good at voicing out my opinion.
It's fair. I can't imagine liking this out of my own volition. That's not to say I don't appreciate my own effort.
In all honesty though, I must say that I did not spend as much on this piece as I should have, not as much as I did last year. So it didn't emerge as a fan-favorite after all. I'll try harder next year.
Best of luck to all three of us in the poll!
Haha, we all know the results already.
To finish, I want to thank all of you to have read and given my your feedback, especially that I know it's a chore to read this story. I know I am vocal of my defense on this piece, but I also want you guys to know I take every little comments seriously and you guys have helped me to become a better overall writer.
xninebreaker wrote...
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
Am I the only one whose screen that picture is messing up?The picture is breaking the post for me too. Its kind of hilarious how it extends beyond the post border.'
Funny because I'm browsing on my phone and the picture is making the post way smaller than it should be.
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
Dawn_of_Dark wrote...
This is exactly my feeling towards your story, but I don't know if I made that clear in my comments above. I didn't get the chance to read the first story you posted though.I can message it to you if you want.
Yeah sure, thanks!
RavenxSinon wrote...
"Secondly": Spoiler:
It can be just my own problem, but I can be literal and formulaic at times, and being really mushy and sensitive at any other times. That is to say, somehow your story just make me want to see it with a 'very scientific eye' that is nature has it own way of existence that has nothing to do with humans' values or morals.
I don't like it, but that doesn't mean I don't give it credits for what it is. Of course I get your symbolism of things, but it couldn't make an impact for me.
RavenxSinon wrote...
Judas:Spoiler:
Maybe I said it in an unclear way. The reason for me to say that 'Why was Judas trust his mother when there's no reasons to' is because that, you didn't present any. Let me elaborate.
It is of course an universal idea that you should love your family unconditionally, but in different cultures and specific personal circumstances, this idea can exist in many forms. While in Asian (Confucian, Chinese-rooted) cultures, it is of utmost importance that one take care of one's family, in every aspects (honor, well-being, finances,...), which is the idea of filial piety, it's not upheld so much in Western countries, because they pride on individualism much more. In other word, in Asian countries, Group > Individual, and in Western countries, Individual > Group.
This applies to Judas's case and your story as well. Why is is that make Judas so determined on saving their siblings and believe his mother unconditionally, while clearly she is being psycho-maniacal? It would be so much more convincing, if you had included some background as simple as "Our family has only relied on each other since my birth, we have survived all this time together, so there's no way Mother is going ga-ga now, right? Right?". Same thing with the "Damn, I nidda get m'groove on yo, or I get snacked." part I told you. In that very instance, Judas has two stream of thoughts that he can choose to believe: 1. I have to get food and save my siblings vs. 2. I have to get food or I'll get eaten. There wasn't any build-up for when he decide this major plot point. He did not talk about how he and his siblings are very close-knitted. He chose that path, because you told us so, not because we readers believed it so. And that, in my opinion, is why the basis of this character wasn't there, so that why I said "whole basis of this piece which built upon has just crumbled.", I can't see this character for what he is anymore.
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
This is exactly why I do my writing on the floor.(sorry for getting off topic, Ezlare!)
But I'm not covered to go see a chiropractor every week.
(I'm sorry, too, Ezlare!)
high_time wrote...
i guess i didn't really feel the development so much because the kind of way this story shows too much and not telling me anything i want to know about when i felt lost. i could only see the development as people talking together and it's all over.on the previous version, there's not just merely talking things, there's also the reveal about the protagonist's past through his dream, the introduction to the place where the heroine lives and also the interaction with her parents. there's a mystery about the protagonist which intrigued me with the nicely timed reveal, and also a conclusion in which made me want to know more (about him trying to find out about his past).
on this version, it might be because you put it so subtly. while for others it might make the story deeper, i'd appreciate if it was more straightforward and actually telling what happened instead of just showing the events in which i might not be able to guess the purpose for. just my two cents though. i'm not into written fiction that much to be able to read deeply into this, so you might take that to account.
This is exactly my feeling towards your story, but I don't know if I made that clear in my comments above. I didn't get the chance to read the first story you posted though.