Fiery_penguin_of_doom Posts
LustfulAngel wrote...
Wars happen not out of trivial feelings, but out of geopolitical/political misalignments that after repeated negotiations could not be resolved through talks.Wars start because someone has something to gain, usually banks or weapon manufacturers.
Why can't a government, in following the wishes of it's people has a geopolitical and a political philosophy that brings prosperity and peace to the homeland?
Nobody can agree on what will "bring prosperity and peace to the homeland". Democrats believe in heavy taxation on producers and a large welfare state A.k.a "safety net" as the method to bring prosperity. Libertarians view that as tyranny, blatant theft and vote buying. Republicans believe that peace will be secure when every nation is a Democratic state (usually installed through the violent toppling of non-democratic regimes). Democrats and Libertarians think this is wrong and that negotiations and mutual understanding will bring peace.
Warhawks and Doves will never agree on what methods bring peace. While big Government and limited Government supporters will never agree on what brings prosperity.
SamRavster wrote...
[font=verdana][color=green]It certainly doesn't apply to contract law, in which dominion over an item is transferred from one party to another.I view contracts in the same way a anrcho-capitalist would view them. We would use a third party to hold the goods until services are rendered. Failure to render services would warrant the return or repossession of those goods.
It doesn't apply to land law, in which dominion over a property is transferred from one party to another.
I lean towards Georgism in regards to land. I often debate with myself whether or not land can be owned in the sense that I own my PS3.
Also, you state that, without threats of violence, the law has no weight, how about situations where you have no intention of breaking the law?
Traffic laws have no weight if I choose not to obey them (ignoring the threats of force by the Federal, State and local governments). Beyond that nothing stops me from speeding on the highway if I am so inclined. The threats of force are mainly the only consistent reason we have to not do something. Morality will generally shift depending on circumstances. A staunch "pro-lifer" might commit murder to save the life of another. I have to stop here otherwise I'll start meandering into a discussion on morality.
Is that law prohibiting you from committing murder prohibiting you from committing murder due to the penalty or your own sense of right and wrong?
If you treat morality as law, then that "law". Then yes, it prohibits me because of my own moral code. In that sentence when I referred to "law" I speak of the rules imposed on us by a third party. The Federal tax code, holds no weight if they have no means to enforce it (threats of force). The U.S environmental regulations have no weight if they can't enforce them. So on, so forth.
When you get down to brass tacks, all laws are arbitrary. Subject to the whims of the person making the decision.
SamRavster wrote...
[font=verdana][color=green]Ah, I see. Kinda like a charity then. I suppose that with the tax benefits being a charity entails, it would certainly be a lot easier to fund such a scheme. But, I suppose I agree in the hypothetical sense; if it was to be so simple in real life, then I'd undoubtedly support it. But, as we know full well, people can be remarkably apathetic to politics, so the idea of them having to takes tests to vote on something they don't care for...sure it ensures that uneducated people can't vote, but it would be a serious hit to democracy. If they are apathetic enough to let a test discourage them. Do we really want their vote? Sure, it won't be a "true democracy" but, I personally disdain Ochlocracy. Democracy is nothing more than mob rule and hinges on the flawed concept that a positions popularity equals correctness.
I'm sure you're familiar with the quote about Democracy being two wolves and a sheep, etc.
animefreak_usa wrote...
Hand guns and hunting rifles.. this isn't 1800's. Crazy white people have military grade weapons. Fuck i have a p-90 and i'm out of the military.You probably have a PS90. An adorable semi-auto carbine using a 5.7X28 round.
Why would you think the whole will be yes, smash the tiny people.
There was a psychological experiment that was done that essentially proved that good people will do horrible things. I believe it was called the "Lucifer Effect". Google "Stanford Prison Experiment"
The government isn't after you, the fifth army isn't going to be at your doorstep.
Woodrow Wilson imprisoned Eugene V. Debs for speaking out against the country during WW2. Maybe, I'm not the first on the list doesn't mean that a vocal citizen, such as myself, couldn't be labeled a terrorist just to silence them.
I have a knife.. so will i kill someone because i have a knife.
Attempted Straw man.
Wait until the government approve it then fight. Or just get off the pot and do something.
I'd rather stop it before it's passed because once it's past we might not get an opportunity to remedy the situation.
animefreak_usa wrote...
Blow shit up, get a gun, kill your congressman start a revolution.Yeah, hand them a perfect opportunity to activate the NDAA or to further restrict what semblance of freedoms the American people still have left. Killing one corrupt politician won't do jack shit. Killing several corrupt politician won't do jack shit. You would have to kill the entire line of succession and congress to eliminate the cancer that is killing this country.
we are the power in this country. Anytime we want.. no more government.
You are nothing. The people have no say in how the government runs, they have no weapons capable of standing up to the U.S military. The American people gave up the only thing that kept the government in check.
You elected them. You can overthrow them. Just hit where they care at.. the money and their jobs security.
I can't tell if you're serious or joking. If you are serious, then you have no concept of how impotent any revolution will be in this country. Even if the entire U.S population revolted. How are they going to take on the U.S military and police forces with hunting rifles and pistols?
animefreak_usa wrote...
Federal troop can't be on american soil until war, revolt or asked by the states in trouble. Prez need to authorized it and congress. Posse comitaus can't be overturn.(the law that banned troops without local authorization unless it a war or emergencies.)How would you stop them? Sue them? Launch an impotent protest with some sign you bought at the craft store? Point to the constitution and tell them "You can't do that". You don't have rights because you have no way to protect those rights.
All it takes is a false flag operation and martial law can be declared in the United States. That is, IF they want to take the legal route. Otherwise, martial law can be declared because Obama says so even if congress objects. The government has the guns and tanks, you don't.
You are now a vassal subject to the whims of the political nobility.
As Oxford puts it
To me, laws are a kind of contract. I agree to not do X otherwise I face penalty Y. I feel they are mostly arbitrary rules imposed on us by a third party under threat of violence. I say arbitrary because all laws really come down to somebody wants to penalize a certain behavior and then someone with the ability to authorize the use of force agrees with them.
Without the person applying threats of force or violence the "law" has no weight. IF the Government can't use threats of force to deprive me of tax money. I certainly would not pay taxes on the things I don't use or disagree with.
the system of rules which a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and which it may enforce by the imposition of penalties
To me, laws are a kind of contract. I agree to not do X otherwise I face penalty Y. I feel they are mostly arbitrary rules imposed on us by a third party under threat of violence. I say arbitrary because all laws really come down to somebody wants to penalize a certain behavior and then someone with the ability to authorize the use of force agrees with them.
Without the person applying threats of force or violence the "law" has no weight. IF the Government can't use threats of force to deprive me of tax money. I certainly would not pay taxes on the things I don't use or disagree with.
Bill text.
In case anybody is interested in reading the 900+ pages.
For those hoping for an Obama veto.
In case anybody is interested in reading the 900+ pages.
For those hoping for an Obama veto.
SamRavster wrote...
[font=verdana][color=green]This question in itself justifies an entire thread dedicated to it, so watch this space at any rate.I'll let you make a thread about if you're inclined to.
[font=verdana][color=green]I was talking about your example; I was pointing out that there wasn't an external party determining what Y does. The word "besides" was incorrectly used; I was planning to say something else but changed midway. Sorry for the confusion.
I've reread my previous posts and I'm still not sure what you are referring to as the example.
[font=verdana][color=green]I see; for some reason, I'm not surprised to hear the license being used. I swear I've heard of that before. But, of course, the questions would be are these tests be compulsory? Should it be a standalone concept or gradual throughout the education system? What happens to democracy if people refuse to take them? It's very easy to say "Let's have tests", but it would be hard to quantify it in reality. Also, would these be government run? A private party would find it very difficult to fund these tests, so then would people have to pay for them? That, in itself, goes against democracy as well, as it could deny people the chance to vote due to monetary constraints. It raises many important questions.
Unfortunately, I don't have all the answers. If it was like a drivers license then it would be $20-25 for a license that lasts you 4 years. Pay the fee, take the test. There would likely be a variety of options available for those who fail the test. Regardless, private groups will take it upon themselves to educate the populace and to subsidize or even pay for the test. I personally would donate to such an organizations.
SamRavster wrote...
I never stated that anarchy meant "without coordination, management etc", merely that it meant "without a ruler". Basically, it means "without law". If you look at many jurisprudential anarchists, they never claim to want disorder and chaos; all they want is a world where people follow morality instead of law. The lead anarchist of his time was Kropotkin; he personally believed that law restricted what the human being was capable of. Rather coincidentally, he actually came from an aristocratic background, so anarchy isn't something only those on the worse side of the law believe in.Usually when people pull out the "without ruler" bit as their first point. They are usually ignorant of what Anarchy really is. Force of habit to clarify like that. You can still have laws in an anarchist society. By laws I mean guiding principles for the commune, society, whatever. Freetown Christiania has "rules" forbidding stealing, violence, weapons, hard drugs, and a few other things. Just because Kropotkin personally believed something doesn't mean he speaks for the entire anarchist movement.
Besides, in your situation, that doesn't have a system where people were imposed to do something by an external party.
The Federal & State governments impose their will on me by threats of violence or incarceration every day.
[font=verdana][color=green]Well, that's all well and good, but might I ask what would you propose instead? Yes, having misinformed people vote isn't exactly desirable, but how would you distinguish those that are informed and misinformed? That's the main problem. Bar having the manifestos be anonymous at the polling booths (which would result in a serious drop in votes I can guarantee - which is a far more dangerous situation), there is simply nothing you can do to overcome it. Apart from change the media, but I doubt that would happen any time soon in the States.
Driving requires a license, voting probably should too. The requirements should be a series of tests that test a persons knowledge of the U.S (similar to the test we give immigrants to become Americans) and to test the knowledge of U.S policy, political parties, etc. I'm perfectly fine with not being allowed to vote if I can't prove that I am knowledge enough to be trusted with the responsibility.
[font=verdana][color=green]Well, I appreciate your honesty, but I don't appreciate the ways in which you express your honesty. Sure, I'd rather you be honest than not, but there are better ways of saying things; for example, instead of labelling someone a fool (not saying you called her a fool, but no doubt you think this anyway), you explain why you think they are mistaken in their beliefs.
Subtlety was never my strong point. I'd rather be blunt about it than dress the words up to placate sensitivities. Regardless, I'll make an effort for you since you've proven yourself knowledgeable.
I've said it for years and I'll say it again. If you don't watch and restrict your government, the government will watch and restrict you. Now, between the Media, corporate corruption, P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act, S.O.P.A, the N.D.A 1031 amendment, and American Imperialism, we have the foundations for 1984's Oceania.
Remember
Now get back to work you worthless proles.
Remember
Spoiler:
Now get back to work you worthless proles.
SamRavster wrote...
FPoD: There wouldn't be any votes in an anarchist state. If you knew what anarchy meant, then you would know that anarchy means "without a ruler" - coming from the Greek word anarchos. Therefore, there wouldn't be any government to vote in, as that would result in a ruler, which means it wouldn't be anarchy. Anarchy doesn't mean "without coordination, management , administration , etc.". Anarchy is management, coordination and administration etc. without publicly recognized government or violently enforced political authority.
How this works? You, and five other people are sitting somewhere trying to decide on what you should do for food. You have all agreed to band together for hunting & farming to increase your odds of survival this winter. So how do you decide? You vote. In Anarchy, a group can put Joe in charge of hunting and Mary in charge of farming but, that doesn't mean they have "rulers".
Intro to Anarchy
Anarchist Theory
Anarchy Works PDF[/url
In regards to your claim about you not wanting to have "millions of uneducated not having a say in how this country is run"...that's just generalising and, quite frankly, wrong. That view doesn't even consider the fact that many peoples votes, which happened to be for the minority, were made with regards to what they believe in. Besides, taking that comment even further, you made reference to the president; with regards to your comment, that doesn't even cover people who voted in a majority in their state but a minority overall.
Majority of Americans only vote based one three aspects.
1). What they hear in the mainstream (drive by) media. Example? People still think the [/quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting]Fort Hood Shooting. was done by a radicalized Muslim. The media (Fox News, MSNBC) is biased and that bias affects the minds of voters who take mainstream media as their sole source of information. I was guilty of that for the longest time and if I was guilty of it, I know others have to be guilty.
2). Whatever some "famous" person tells them to vote. Example? Oprah and other celebrities who throw their support behind a particular candidate. Should it really matter who Bono supports? Not in a critically thinking society. Problem is, we're not a critically thinking society.
3). Whatever their friends vote/peer pressure. Ziggy voted for Obama in 2008 and she admittedly knew NOTHING about Obama or his policies. I've known far too many people who goose stepped for a certain party just because their friends or family are voting that way.
Call that generalization if you want. It's already a fact that the majority of Americans don't vote (and by logical extension know little to nothing about politics) the few who do vote are subject to a dishonest, insane and ultimately intolerable propaganda system that corrupts their votes by praying on good intentions and naivety. If the majority of Americans were really politically aware, our country wouldn't be in the shape it's in.
You claim to be mature and above petty remarks made to other users, but you openly admitted to be disrespecting Neko.
I'm not one to be dishonest. I simply don't care for her. I believe she is uneducated and has a typical college demographic view on politics. I assume she is capable of critical thinking but, instead she just listens to those with the same opinions around her and shuts out the alternatives. I could make the statement about repealing the civil rights act and I believe her first thought/reaction would be to accuse me of being a racist, which is far from true.
In all honesty, it what makes me stop debating with you sometimes; if someone can't leave the toys in the pram when entering the debating sphere, then you have no right to debate on equal standing with the rest of us.
If a few words hurt your feelings, that's a shortcoming on your end. It's the internet, grow some thicker skin.
Don't think I didn't miss the thinly-veiled insult. Kinda hypocritical to chastise me for disrespecting Neko then implying I'm childish with the pram comment.
I prefer to use the long sword or hammer depending on what I'm trying to do.
Side Note: Only monster hunter game I've played is Monster Hunter Freedom 2 for the psp.
Side Note: Only monster hunter game I've played is Monster Hunter Freedom 2 for the psp.
Half Man Half Amazing! wrote...
The multiplayer, it kinda piss's me off. I lost all the matches i played so far. People just spam long combos that are defenseless against. I played somebody using Guile and all this guy did was spam "Sonic Booms" and "Flash kicks". I was far so he used sonic booms and then if i tried to get close he did flash kicks on me. God damn it..Yeah, that's the problem with playing random people online as you get a lot of spammers. Hokuto can vouch that I would rage when I played a spammer. Also, that's all guile does, is spam sonic boom and flash kick, those are his only two specials.
Ryu/Evil Ryu/Akuma/Ken
Do upper cuts, spinning kicks , and firballs.
Do upper cuts, spinning kicks , and firballs.
That's the gameplay for shoto's. Spam fireballs, uppercut anyone who gets close. Learn to FADC those fireballs or use one of the various moves that are designed to get past a fireball. Hasan Shu is a good example for Chun-li, crouching medium kick for Cody, yoga tower for Dhalsim. Fei long's Rekkukyaku a.k.a. "chicken wing".
Red Vodka wrote...
Stockholders shouldn't be accountable for wrong doing on the part of management or employees. To make them responsible is simply ridiculous and the costs of supervision are way too high compared to the benefits of doing so.I understand audio's logic here. Investors pressure the company into risky behavior to satisfy their demand for profits.
If we banned corporations and stocks, money would just sit in the bank. And money sitting in the bank is simply paper.
That is the logic behind progressive tax system. The high tax rates would push the rich into saving their money in a bank which would then loan the money out to middle class individuals who want to open their own businesses.
Beyond that, all I hear is "eat the rich".
TheFriskyMango wrote...
However, it seems as though you are advocating a sort of elitist ruling class in some of the stuff you say. You say give more power to the political scientist. I would say educate the layperson and give them a voice so they too can be correctly represented.Allow me to try and lead you to my point of view. Would you prefer to travel on a bridge bridge built by an engineer or by a 16 year old fry cook? Would you prefer your car be repaired by a mechanic or a plumber? Would you prefer having your heart surgery done by a surgeon or by a computer programmer?
So I don't think I'm going out on a limb here when I say we all would prefer that the person doing a job to be knowledgeable of the profession. So, shouldn't we expect that the people voting know more about the candidates than they know about the Kardashians or Jersey Shore caste.?
Unfortunately, most Americans know more about their college football teams than they know about the people they are voting to govern an entire country.
Aud1o Blood wrote...
As such, they can be taxed, limited, and imprisoned as any other group of conspirators.I'm anti-corporation too but, even I find the word "conspirators" to be overly harsh.
Randumb wrote...
Guns should only be allowed in the hands of law enforcement and licensed hunters.The point is to keep untrained people from holding dangerous weapons.
So why not require instructional courses on weapons training?
As far as the second statement is concerned. Why is law-enforcement or the military so much more trustworthy than you? Is it because some arbitrary oath they take? Police can be as corrupt as anybody else. They can abuse their positions far more than anybody else.
What do, Sudan, Turkey, Communist China, Darfur, Soviet Union all have in common?
Give up? Genocide. These countries have incidents of government perpetrated genocide and laws that prevent the private citizen from carrying arms for their defense.
Chlor wrote...
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Removing the gun wouldn't remove the violence. Although I want to point out that removing a gun from a situation would most likely lower the severity of it significantly. It's a lot easier to shoot someone than it is to stab them.
No arguing that but, shouldn't we concentrate on removing the incentive to shoot someone rather than the means? If someone wants to kill another person and you remove the gun from the equation, they still want to kill that other person. They'll just find another means but, if you remove the incentive then the problem is solved.
