otakumax Posts

so american houses dont need gates?
im just kinda worried some of those thieves
might sneak in to my house once i moved to the u.n >_>

It was a comment about those submitting... not the soba scan staff. Good job getting defensive.

hmm.... upon reading this fpod i'm imagining you being glomped by zig from the first moment you opened that door....

It would have to be straight up capitalism. A.k.a Big business a.k.a. Wal-Mart McDonalds, Bank Of America, etc.

Oh yeah CreampieHoney is married to a user on here. Not sure who though.

Well, regardless haha. I wanted to verify that we were indeed not married so there weren't any rumors floating about.

It depends. If they are employed and paid under the table, then they don't pay any taxes. If they are employed by using a fake SSN, then they are at least paying payroll and medicare taxes. Some also pay income tax, because of employers who withhold it or by using an TIN. Still, illegal immigrants as a whole do not pay their fair share of taxes, though the gap is not as wide as most people probably think. However, it would be incorrect to say that illegal immigrants pay virtually no taxes.

I think putting pressure on employers is still a much better solution than the AZ law. The stuff that happens right now is a joke. I live in an area with a lot of illegals, and things show up in the news where some company has 10 employees that all are using the same SSN. I have a hard time believing that this couldn't easily be prevented with some basic screening by employers. It shouldn't even be that hard root out counterfeit SSNs in general. However, employers have no incentive to even try or cooperate with the government because there is no penalty when they get caught with 10 employees using the same SSN. They didn't "knowingly" hire the illegals.

I don't think racial discrimination would be particularly bad using this method if a standard procedure was applied and used with everyone. Wouldn't it be fairly simple to require everyone who wanted to work to provide an SSN and a valid government issue photo ID(like a passport, current school IDs are accepted), check with the provider of the ID to make the sure the picture of the original ID provided by the government and the picture on the provided ID appear to be of the same person, cross-reference with the feds to make sure that SSN matches up with that person. This requires that the government keep the photo one submits to get an ID on file(they do with US passports, don't know about other things), but even without something like this, there are certainly improvements that could be made.

Regarding discrimination, if a business fails to execute the procedure correctly with any employee, they get hit with a penalty.

In theory, this law isn't so bad. As fpod has pointed out, all the law really does is enforce existing regulations and punish a crime. However, in practicality, I think there are a few problems.

Effectivenss - In general, this kind of immigration law enforcement isn't likely to be particularly effective. Deportation processes are not particularly fast and can be expensive. The best way to attack illegal immigration is to attack the sources from which illegal immigrants are getting employment. If there is less economic opportunity for illegal immigrants, less people will be motivated to come here illegally. More could be done to require businesses make sure they are actually hiring people who are here legally. Yes, there will always be ways to fool the system with counterfeiting, but currently I think there is too much leeway for businesses to not check things out very well, hire someone, and then throw their hands up and say "we didn't know" if their employee gets busted for being illegal.

The law does create conditions that are likely to encourage racial profiling - Let's make this clear: if a police officer wants to pull you over on the road they can. There are enough arcane(and sometimes virtually unfollowable) traffic laws that if an officer really wants to pull you over, they can just follow you for a bit and you will probably do something that they could pull you over for on a technicality. I have been told as much by active officers myself. You hope that police officers don't have a racial agenda, and most don't, but the law allows officers that want to engage in racial profiling a means to make it effective. Let's be honest: most of the illegal immigrants in AZ are hispanic. The law empowers officers who do have a strong anti-illegal immigration leaning or who might harbor resentment against hispanics power to use racial profiling to effectively get people deported.

Simple racial profiling-- few will question the immigration status of someone who looks Caucasion. When faced with individuals with non-Caucasian appearances... well, that's when Arizona's skirt catches on fire and this law begins to subvert civil rights laws.

Don't give me BS that this will be random and fair-- that's like saying the people who are stopped and checked at airports are randomly selected, not racially profiled. We all know where those damn terrorists are coming from after all, right? And clearly, everyone from the Middle East bears an uncanny resemblance to one another! /sarcasm

Anybody who looks even slightly non-Caucasian should exercise extreme caution about footwear while in Arizona, whether living there or visiting. Such care is urged because a vocal and prominent supporter of the toxic anti-immigrant measures that were recently signed into law there has said that “illegal immigrants can be recognized from the shoes they wear.” The man was serious.



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As most “suspected” illegal residents in the state are considered to be Hispanic, they will be stopped and questioned while walking, or pulled over while driving, for a new offence: “being alive while being Hispanic.”

Legal immigrants – many of them citizens, some of them second and third generation Americans – are compelled to carry at all times documentation proving their legal status. Not having their “papers” with them would be a crime.

Illegal residence is a state crime.

I looked around the forum and couldnt find anything relating to this.

But anyway I can see what youre saying, but it is one thing to ask for an ID when youre pulled over and it is a completely different thing when a police officer can come up to you in the middle of a parking lot and ask for proof of residence or citizenship.

The horrendous irony being that for all intents and purposes, Cook County is a fascist police state!