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I don't understand. What does feminism and love, romance and relationship have to do with a political or ethical justification. I do agree that feminism did destroy the honor of self determination of a freedom of choice but.. your case has nothing to do with that. You have pics of couples and the honor.. doesn't compute. You speak up about protecting women.. like there weak. Fuck 'im a man and half the shit women do makes me feel weaker. Yeah i can bench double my body weight and lift heavy sacks of stuff... but pushing a 8 ib watermelon out a hole no wider then a lemon or raising children without help is beyond my or 95% of men. Be in mind i fought in a war, boot camp, ranger training and climbed mountains and hike valley for one photograph with 120 ibs of equipment.

It seem you trying to based the art of humanity and social welfare on your interpretations of what men need to do or a pre conception of the roles of the genders. Women do need a man to save them. Nor your beliefs in a pure body devoid of markings or sexual habits. Virginity or a pure woman is no less a woman then a slut/whore/skilled woman.. i rather had a girl who know what to do in bed then a pure castled woman who can't function.

Giving up their bodies for cash. Why does that concern you in the slightest... was your sister/mother a hooker or does someone who does what they want for a job frighten you. Does a woman who make more for one night then working a taco bell disgust you. Does a woman who makes porn and get paid more in one scene then working at Simon And Simon has a office asst for a month. Or a hooker selling her pussy for crack your real problem?

In the end none of this matters. You have you ideas and people have there's. Why would you want everyone to be the same? Does it seem more prejudice then feminism or misogyny? Some of the most smartest and talented people aren't pure souls or your picture of what a woman should be.. fuck two porn stars are mensa members and girls with tats and piercings are professors and lawyers for big firms and colleges around the world. Be free sexually isn't a bad thing.

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How does it not open up a discussion on the concepts of love, romance or relationships? It's asking men to open up their hearts and to love the deeper elements of a female. To earnestly discuss the feminine beauty of a female.

This has nothing to do with real-life love! You're preaching your highly moralistic views and hoping for.. Actually, I have no idea what you're after. But I can tell you that very few people here share your traditional views on how men and women should act towards each other. The popular idea here is 'liberation'.

There's nothing parasitic about the responsibilities of a male towards his female partner. If a male can no longer exercise his responsibilities, then do tell what is a male to do? Be subservient to the female? His opinions no longer matter as it relates to the health of the relationship, to the quality of the relationship or to how the two partners relate to each other. Just go to work, allow his mistress to enjoy the life she wants to live and he'll be rewarded with sex.

Why do you assume that if a man is not the sole provider and caretaker in a relationship, that he must be the weaker? What ever happened to two equals living a life based on their joint decisions? Why can a relationship not be balanced? You jump from one extreme to another. Love thrives best on middle ground.


I'm sorry but there really is room for both partners to live the life they want, and feel loved and cared about without one partner having to be the 'master'.

For either party to just take it lightly, is disgusting to me.

Well, that's your opinion. Sex is still separate from love.

Partially, I'll admit that I don't watch that much television. But I do remember, that when I was a kid, back in the 90's childhood was most attentive in America. Not just for the feminine, but for the masucline as well. Invoking us both into our respective worlds, bringing out our best qualities. Today, that doesn't exist nearly as much. It's more of a social issue and where our priorities lie today.





Circumcision, it happened before we even opened up a peep :D. Let's not have the pot call the kettle black. I think because that men have a stronger sense of livelihood than the feminist who supports abortion. Also, because males also realize this: Abortion threatens our very existence.

We have no say while we're in your fetus, while you butcher and murder us we have absolutely no defense. It's the worst kind of murder, at least when an adult commits a crime of murder versus another adult, that adult has the *potential* to fight back.

I find it ironic, that women defend the "right" to choose, while ignoring the right of the fetus to it's own life. This "right" to choose could have very well killed me, before I even took my first step in the world. I'm anti-abortion as I realized that fact, that life no longer has sanctity, no longer is the womb a natural defense.

I have no intention of being a father, if I should look the other cheek at the same time while hundreds of thousands of lives are being mercilessly butchered, because a woman decided that she was the maker of her child's fate.

The banning of abortion, is not to make the male the maker of a child's fate, it is the moral highroad that no man or woman should be the maker of a child's fate. The only one who can determine that child's fate, is the child him/herself as it grows into the world. Provided of course, the female "allows" the child to get the right to that choice.

I don't see how you can't find that sickening. Is it not possible for you to imagine yourself murdered before the opportunity of life came before you? Can you not imagine the dread and the sorrow you'd feel? Think for a moment, of the crucifying pain the fetus feels as it undergoes this procedure.








Ah, I forgot this argument please excuse me. Rape and molestation is most certainly tragic, ironically for the very same reasons that the feminine is special. I alluded to the fact that a woman's body is her ultimate treasure and should be the one thing she should always hold true. So I can feel a woman's pain in this regard, I've always believed rapists should be dealt the death penalty in much the same way serial murderers are.

However, this is not justification for the murder of a fetus. Quite to the contrary of a female's fairy tale as it regards birth, the fetus will not develop to look anything like the perpetrator. He might have the same eyes, heck maybe even the same nose. But look, his cheeks are fundamentally shaped differently. His hair is utterly a different color(Of course, we're not going to see the baby shape out like this because the baby's not going to last that long.)

The female can choose to be morally devastated at her being raped and impregnated. Or, she can equally choose to see this child as a blessing(there have been some women who were strong enough to make this decision. Not only strong enough obviously as it pertains to the mental stress. But also as it pertains to society who would so gladly push her to put the baby under the gutter).

Murder, is murder, is murder. No matter what the justification, no matter what the reason. No matter whom the target is.





Things were never perfect, especially as it related the work force. Part of this no doubt was chauvinism. Another part of this, however was unfortunate submission on the part of the female. When the female stood up and said "Hey, I can do this too.", those formerly chauvinistic saw the flaws of their ways for the most part and began treating females as equals.

Unfortunately, the "I can do this too" was spread into some qualities or "rights", that a woman shouldn't have. Because, it degrades women. It amazes me how women are so unconscious of their own image. And when we men, who so value and revere the feminine speak out about your beauty which your dumping away, you proclaim that we're being chauvinistic.

Do you want me to tell you what truly being chauvinistic is? It would be if I said "I don't give a shit, do what you want. Go to a bunch of glory holes for all I care." Now that's chauvinistic. If I just flat out didn't give a damn about women.
Yet, I do give a damn about women. About their image, about their sexual beauty and about the need for them to protect themselves from their own degradation.

A woman's beauty is not only sexually beautiful, but more importantly and you said it so yourself: It's sensually beautiful. That sensual beauty arouses fierce feelings of determination, at least within me. That's why we need females in our lives. If otherwise, if it were just for sex. The fleshlight would be enough.

Women are the most powerful existence in this world, and the only thing keeping a woman from power is herself, because she thinks she's not good enough. She thinks this is still the 60's.

Wake up and smell the coffee, you have more rights now than ever before and the more females properly express themselves, the more a free and open society will grant them the power they deserve.






Sex is the highest form of love...With a significant other. It's meant as a spiritual union between the male and the female, who are utterly incomplete without each other. The same is also had of course, with same sex couples as well(I'm a bisexual). But when we throw our cocks and pussies out like it's just some toy, what's the point?

Heck, that's a reason for the HIV epidemic in the mid-90's. I don't think that casual sex is some "female liberation", I do believe it's a filthy, unholy transformation. It's a transformation that sacrifices the value a woman once placed on her body, on her heart and for what? I'm not going to sit here and believe that a woman can completely disregard these things.

My mother and grandmother both pursued the path of drugs and casual sex, the consequence being that neither of them found true love or happiness. The idea that the pain that my parents and grandparents went through, should be held in a continual space of human time is simply unacceptable. Politics, for far too long has been grandstanding. I intend to use it to make a difference. The difference in true respect and equality for women.





That may have been true....back during the age of cavemen. As the Renaissance occurred and human beings(including males) made technological, philosophical and psychological discoveries it was apparent to a male who was truly open that his chauvinistic behaviors of the past, was actually making his female 'mate' quite miserable.

And if you're going to say that males have some kind of psychological program that inspires them to "mate with as many different females as possible", then you should at least acknowledge the pride for which a male feels about himself, and about the people and things around him. This too, is a psychological program.

That program, along with new knowledge during the Renaissance is what made males now believe that females, women are a part of him, and that he felt as much pride and thereby love for her, as he himself. This transition, of course was not perfect and did not evidence itself in terms of political and social rights until the late 1800's and mid 60's. But again, you neglect that it was due to a protectivism on the part of males, rather than some chauvinistic, female-hating mentailty among the male population.







I'm referencing to how, in Japan a great deal of it's working class is on the verge of being on social security. On top of this, there's a huge anti-dating movement relating to the Japanese youth, as this attitude spreads throughout Western nations, this will be a problem for human development and growth.

And yes, that is a concern. All good things come to an end, but please not by our own hand? That'd be one tragic tale.





What I said was a dream was obtaining the same social outlook as a male, that is to say to be looked at in exactly the same fashion or to act exactly the same as a male. It doesn't make you equal, there'll never be "equality" if feminism continues to pursue this failed path.

Women don't want to be men. Women want to be as highly regarded and considered as men. We want to hold the same amount of importance, with the same amount of attention paid to our needs and rights.

It's not a woman's "job" to be anything, but rather it's the ideal that woman uphold themselves to. An ideal that before the advent of feminism, they themselves wanted to uphold themselves to.

Before feminism, the only hope a woman had of having a decent life was to find a man to take care of her, so the end-all-be-all of a woman's existence was to look as pretty and delicate as possible in the hopes it would attract a wealthy man.

Women since then realized that they could find their own happiness, follow their own path rather than depend solely on a man to do all the thinking, earning, and living for them.

I'll say this: If the feminine continue to insist on destroying themselves, then I no longer feel the need to fulfill my responsibilities as a male. Why should I love someone who doesn't love themselves? You have to first love yourself, before you can love another person. If the female no longer loves themselves, then I no longer love them.

You're saying that every woman everywhere is supposed to be a certain way. That's simply not true. Women are trying to be true to themselves, that's why women are becoming more diverse. It's not self-hatred or their way of casting off their 'true selves'. What you've missed entirely is that the women you speak of, they were not being true to themselves. They were limiting and oppressing themselves by conforming to a standard of beauty created by other people.

You have absolutely no right to say what a woman is. A woman is a woman, and how she chooses to dress is how chooses to express herself. Learn to love how a woman expresses herself, and stop assuming that there's a one-size-fits-all standard of 'femininity'.

Again, men simply just don't date anybody, I wouldn't date someone whose artificial, or who wears a bunch of "makeup" and is cute. I would date a woman whose true to herself, and that woman today is simply nonexistent in today's world.

That sentence is directly contradictory with your previous one. You don't want a woman to be herself, you want a woman to be your idea of feminine. That's what this boils down to. It's not about love or self-acceptance, because if it was.. you would open your eyes and realize that that's what the movement is all about.

Women breaking free from the standards set by society. Women saying 'fuck it' to all the pressures put on by them by the media, by their families, by men like you.

Women want to be themselves, dress their own way, live their own way, work their own way, and get paid for the job they do.

That's what it's all about. Period.

This topic is inappropriate for this forum as it does not open a discussion on the concepts of love, romance, or relationships.

Please ask a mod to move it.

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You're confusing love with unhealthy parasitic relationships.

Women don't want to be 'taken care of' anymore. Love and caretaking are two completely different things.

I'm curious as to why a woman having casual sex is so deeply disturbing to you, while a man having casual sex does not.

I kinda think you're mistaking love for something else. Possession, perhaps? I'm not sure about most women, but I do believe that women are able to mentally take care of themselves and make proper decisions. Physically is arguable, as attackers tend to be in groups, according to my (very shaky) knowledge on such things. Still, having a non-combatant male protect a non-combatant female sounds like a bad idea, since it would be more optimal to have them fight as a group. Men may have a better natural body mass and whatnot, but that doesn't mean women are useless in combat.

Anyone who is useless in both of those situations is not really worth too much. Those are just my opinions, and you may feel free to disagree with them.

This post feels a bit heavy for something that isn't the Serious Discussion forum. Then again, you did say you got it from there. As for the trash that you referred to as "thugs," I do agree with them on one thing: following is easier than leading. For the apathetic, why should one waste effort on carving your own path when you can follow an easier one? It's similar to using a guide to reach the end of a certain point in a video game, with the exception that you can't take anything back in reality. However, would this make one more --

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Wrong topic.

Anyway, honesty isn't really the best policy these days. It's fine if a woman is honest, but it's not really like being honest is helpful. Women are (supposedly) scientifically attracted to the "bad boys," which would lead an honest woman into thinking that she genuinely means something to the piece of trash.

There should be a reasonable amount of doubt in every relationship, no matter how close the two are, in my opinion. If either side trusted the other completely, it would only lead to massive problems in many circumstances. Granted, there are couples that are absolutely, undeniably trusting of each other and do not have a single thing that would cause trouble even if their entire life were revealed to their partner, but I'm talking about realistically.

In response to the sexual unison thing, I've no experience with that at all. Therefore, please use Google to find a picture of a yandere and stare at it for five minutes and pretend that is my argument here.

My brain is fried, so please inform me of any stupidity in this post. ≈.≈

I'm just dropping in to argue against a few points made by LustfulAngel.





Never did I actually argue they should aspire to look like a barbie doll, or anything else for that matter. What I argued was, for all of the negatives that might have been involved, the toy invoked imagination in the feminine. And if you haven't noticed(and I'm sure you have), we have such a lack of advertisement today for similar products for young women to be able to engage their imagination.





Nevermind my beliefs, I politically state it to be law. In any other case, where a person would deliberately and intentionally end the life of another, we call it capital murder. This isn't a topic as it regards Abortion and let's not detract it, this is about how such factors in feminism has destroyed the feminine. But if I were president, abortion would be outlawed as capital murder. I will, of course invoke the necessary "medical issues", that has remained as the lone justification for this murder. It is however, my hope that within 5-10 years time that we find a medical solution that will abdicate that remaining excuse for this utterly horrific practice.

I find it absolutely silly that you proclaim I would be "oppressing" my would-be daughter, without recognizing the fact that abortion is the pernament oppression of the fetus's right to life. Nor do I consider it oppression at any rate, parents felt the need to regulate their children and keep them from making the wrong decisions. I refuse to allow my future daughter to think it's okay to be a murderer, as long as the life is in her sanctity. Hell, I will invoke within her the social responsibility she has, that the very fact that it's in her sanctity compels a humane duty upon her to naturally go through the pregnancy process.

To show everyone the deadly results of feminism, this quote is absolutely perfect: "When you grow a uterus, feel free to throw that opinion around. Until then, it is null and void."

She's implying that the social rights and responsibilities to protect a child are null and void, for a male because he doesn't have to go through the "pain" of childbirth. This is such an offensive statement that it borderlines on shocking how acceptable it is and how mainstream it is.

A Question: No less then a century ago, could a female have even contemplated uttering the words that you just spoke? Once upon a time, the pain of childbirth was offset by the wonders and the excitements of building a family with a loved one. Now you just view it as disposable, like the child itself. Also, you make the incorrect, naieve and intellectually foolish mistake of implying that the male doesn't go through the same pain.

Yes, we so enjoy you having your intestines ripped out by the baby's movements. It makes us scream in ecstasy when you're in pain. Far from it, but rather a true male would encourage his significant other as she's giving birth, being by her side and sharing the moment where the fruits of their love and labor have been fulfilled.

Or at least, that's how it was until the advent of feminism, the curse and degeneration of the female.





I fundamentally disagree, if it were merely about a woman's social rights then the movement would've had more progression then it actually had. But even if silently, I firmly believe there isn't a man so cowardly enough and without moral to simply stand there and watch the destruction of the feminine. The "It's your body" stance has led to a femininity that no longer exists. To an open sexuality that makes the female's former beliefs in love, absolutely meaningless.

Why should a male be loyal and faithful if a woman doesn't hold that stature to herself? Once upon a time, a woman's trust was the hardest to gain and thereby, the prize for which any male could pridefully say he obtained. Likewise, in just returns the male's infinite protective love for his female counterpart is what allowed humanity to prosper into the 21st century.

With the divisiveness and the lack of feminine beauty in this and likely future generations, I have fear for the human race. It's already happening in Japan and soon other parts of the world.



It's absolutely discrimination for the female to 'choose' to destroy herself, she's belittling her own qualities, just to chase after a dream of becoming 'equal' with a male.

You are attempting to argue that when women choose to dress, act, or portray themselves in a way that is contradictory to your idea of 'feminine', that she is discriminating against herself. That's completely absurd. A woman has a right to be who she is, just as men have rights to be who they are. Equal pay should be a given, it should be mandatory, it shouldn't be an issue to begin with. Yet you are saying it is a 'dream', which makes it sound as if you think this whole issue is just 'silly'.

We deserve the same pay for the same work. Plain and simple. Cut and dry. It is not enough to be equal in theory. We deserve to be equal in practice, as well.

I merely defend the rights of females to be females, as is their inherent nature and it's their ultimate form of existence.

You're not defending any rights, you're saying that it is a woman's job to be delicate, make the babies, and put on makeup. You very literally said that that is our reason for existing. To be pretty to look at, soft to touch, and gentle to speak to.

If not all men are bulky, muscly alphas with hyper-virility, why is it okay for you to say that all women should be made of porcelain and gemstones?

And from a selfish perspective, if we wanted to date a guy, we would. There's a reason we wanna date gals, gals. It's because you're gals.

"It's my duty"? Wow, that's sick: the lives of women are not for men to control or dictate, just as the lives of men are not for women to control/dictate.
To say that it's your "duty" to protect female-kind is a backwards, chivalry-based notion. And surely you realize that chivalry, by definition, stems from wanting to care for those "too weak to fend for themselves". Really?

It's not discrimination against the female for a FEMALE to chose her own way to BE FEMALE.

Female is a sex. Nothing more. It does not require femininity, feminine social norms, or feminine stereotypes of behavior.

Feminine =/= exclusive to the female sex, nor should it be forced upon it.

And I see your point good sir. There are bad points in feminism but some good points… just need to find them. But as I said we label all the aspects of feminism well feminism, from the near middle ground to the extreme. Unfortunately that is how we do it. I sometimes think they are either trying to show us up… or replace us. One or the other… or they're trying to get attetion and I hope they aren't.

I see your point and unfortunately, the feminists would say that all of that are the roles male subjugated them to yet praised them for. I hold the belief of you that women are a sacred people, and they need to see that, but they think it's us [males] trying put them back into their former roles. It's not going to be easy to compromise with either side.

Oh, this just ridiculous! Double-standards are too fucking rampid. Ugh, why can't it end? I'm tired of seeing the fighting of opinions and convictions.

Ugh. I rambled on. And I know what you were talking about, but my mind tends to connects things a bit too much and it's annoying. I know.

Yes, I see what you meant by what you said, LustfulAngel is just as bad as feminists because she is trying to tell other women what beauty is. I'm not harping on you LustfulAngel, but people have free will, that means men and women. They have a choice of what they want to be. I just rambled on about how people have ideas shoved don't their throats and can't pick their own without a headache.

Was that better gizgal-sama? I'm kinda new at voicing my thoughts. As my previous post shows you, I tend to ramble.

I am currently in one and do not recommend it at all~ It´s a pain in the ass if you don´t have the physical contact and it will make you more sad than happy in the end~ I am often finding myself questioning if I should keep it up or not~ It may be nice, but the negatives outweight the positives...

That was the only damn point I was trying to make this whole time. Be careful! You'll get flamed for saying so!