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As for the "breaks", don't bluntly stop : keep running at a slower pace until you reach again your breath -- you can slow down to a walking pace, even drinking and eating, but do not stop.
Or else, blood goes down :
Or else, blood goes down :
- You're hot, so skin's veins are dilated, it lower the blood pressure so blood go back slower to the heart.
- You're tired, so your veins struggle to send back the blood to the heart (that's why we have dark rings under the eyes).
- Plain muscles are a part of the blood circulation engine, too (that's why when people are confined to bed for long time they're given anticoagulants).
RestoringForce wrote...
but do the heroes have to always win? i'd like to think i'd be triumphant as a villain and therefore do not need to choose how to be defeated ;DEven though you're defeated, why not turn the hero(in) as a villain in the same time ?
Silence of the Yanderes wrote...
Spoiler:
You think it's impossible. You have no evidence to support the fact that there is no way to answer these questions. As it stands in current society, we have no answers, but there is no reason as to why we may not come across an answer in the future. Although even if we did, I doubt it would be an end to religion, because some people will simply claim that whatever evidence we have against religion was put their by god to test our faith or something like that.
I say it's impossible because I don't want to give into speculations about future. That's all.
Silence of the Yanderes wrote...
Spoiler:
We have no proof, but proof is not necessary to support an opinion. What we need is evidence. And their is plenty of that to be found if you're looking for it. For instance, I would argue that the presence of suffering in the world is good evidence against at least omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent gods (i.e. the christian god).
Ho ? I think the suffering exist to distinguish whether something is bad for a living being or not. No more but, above all, no less. Without that precious knowledge you may be in danger by ignoring something is harming you.
It may be seen not as a "curse", rather as a "bliss" -- a way to say it was really an amazing and efficient invention, so much that it is very widespread amongst living being in a looooot of forms.
So I can comprehend some biologists being christian even though you would argue/oppose the existence of suffering as some "evidence" their god would be "false" or not "omnipotent" and such.
Silence of the Yanderes wrote...
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I disagree that you're not forced. If you look at some places, speaking out against the common religion is liable to get you in serious trouble. Thus you are forced to follow the common religion against your will. And even if you look at believing rather than following, then I could argue that one is conditioned from birth to follow the belief of ones parents, and that this is akin to being forced into a religion.
Where you see people forced to "believe" I see people a least forced to look as if, or even brain-washed but it is not true only for religions :-/
But I doubt someone willing to change his/her mind or whatever could be "stopped", even though his/her education. There's always a tiny, even the tinyest, part of choice whether you would follow or not your parents' path. Not that's always easy, in one way but also the other.
As for example :
Vox Noir wrote...
I'm a Christian Baptist, so I believe and God, Jesus, and all that jazz. Half of it has to do with family influence, the other has to do with my own choice.Ever since I was little I was taught about Christ and how he died for our sins, but I was also taught that everything they said is an opinion. Agreeing with their opinions and choosing to believe in Him, or disagreeing and follow a different religion or become an atheist, was up to me.
Silence of the Yanderes wrote...
Fligger wrote...
WE. DO. NOT. KNOW.YET.
Speculation :-)
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Canadian Otaku wrote...
Fligger wrote...
<<_____>>.. nevermind, not worth quoting anything there.
This is why I stay far away from the subject- even Fakku will have its resident egotist who must turn the thread into an intellectual battle of wits, philosophies, tight-ass definitions, and generally-hostile bs. This post asked for folks' general opinions on the matter, not to debate the finer details of what's right, wrong, or unproven, so I gave just that.
Peoples' gods' forbid this topic from cropping up and keeping the peace, I suppose. If you can't prove or disprove our ideas, then lets compete and show who has spent more time and energy into thinking their thoughts. Yeah!
So would it be better to let some of us trample on other belief / way to think (like believing in god) instead of them being respectful ? Nonsense.
Of course if you're willing to do so, be prepared to meet some opposition. At least when some individuals call upon reasoning and such, they should back up their "opinion" if they're willing "to be right" in spite of everyone/everything.
nateriver10 wrote...
I don't quote the entire post as to avoid having long walls of quotes in each post.You just quote near 90% of my post. So why forget the rest ? Was it disturbing ?
You can also use the spoiler balises, if you think it's becoming some long wall.
nateriver10 wrote...
And I'm sorry to say you make a big mistake in saying atheism is the belief that there is no god. Atheism is the rejection of the proposition that there is a god. I don't know where this idea comes from but it is very silly if you take up other examples. In other words, atheism isn't the anti-belief, it is the lack of belief. I don't understand why people tend to put up mirrors in this discussion.That rejection is not backed up for all I have learnt. So it is just a conviction, a belief.
The word disturb you but yeah : there is no proof whether our universe is originated from a "god" or whatever you could call it, or "nothing".
You may have your own conviction, it does not prove anything.
nateriver10 wrote...
If belief in god is a cake, then all believers eat a slice of it. Atheists simply don't eat the cake. Like Neil deGrasse Tyson says, being an atheist is like being a non-golfer. It is not like being the opposite of a golfer.First, you have forgotten the agnostic ones.
Second, even if you don't "eat the cacke", it does not mean you don't eat your own sweets on the same purpose. You just do the same with a little nuance.
nateriver10 wrote...
When it comes to swallowing, heck, I have no idea. I did say you talked about complex subjects that I don't understand.You don't understand, so you answer with spite and insult ? My, what a poor pride :-/
nateriver10 wrote...
It has been a while too but I think what I said was essentially that hyper complex and advanced theories in physics did not seem to entail a new construction on the word miracle. I always see it as a self dug grave when people come up with «oh look, we have no clue what this thing here does» and then proceed to use it as an argument.And I don't see what doctors or expectation have to do with it. Maybe what you are getting at is taking a random John who has 99.9999999% chance to die with cancer, survives and climbs mount Everest. That wouldn't be a miracle either.
So you've just said you don't understand about what it is, then you think you can built any "opinion" or whatever ? Do you really get if you're wrong or right about what you want a miracle to be ? All to say you just show your ignorance.
nateriver10 wrote...
Speaking of zero argumentum, I don't see in what way yours are different than mine. At least I'm trying to be grounded on the definition of miracle. Like I said, I eat my humble pie when I have to and I'm doing it with physics.It is not because you don't understand that I would have no argumentation. Rather the contrary since for few posts, you try by spite and insult to run away each time I hit a nail.
nateriver10 wrote...
Silence of the Yanderes wrote...
He's right, Atheism is a belief. The question is whether it should be grouped under the heading of 'religion' or not.No, he's not. Read above to see why. What was it that Bill Maher said? «Atheism is a belief the same way abstinence is a sex position» Or maybe he said «religion» instead of belief. I dunno, but I think it follows. I don't think I'll ever find out why people keep trying to add onto the concept of atheism. It is really empty actually.
Your quote go along what I've said X-)
Is it for joking you cling on your "he's not" ? Thanks to that Bill Maher :-)
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Canadian Otaku wrote...
To skip all the nitty-gritty, no, I don't have any beliefs of my own or any confidence in what others tell me is true.Then you can't believe your entourage when they give you your name nor any form of testimony, even the knowledge from science you could reach on any media. Or else, you would contradict yourself.
I don't say you should take every speech for true. I myself use my discernment in order to select what I can confidently take for sure and what take as nonsense.
Canadian Otaku wrote...
I come from a heavily religious family and through my own processes - without any influence from the internet, mind you - by the age of 12 or so, I realized that none of it is true. (26 now, if that is relevant) Now, I could say that I "believe" there is no greater power, but I don't "believe" it, I perceive it as a "known" fact.That's called a conviction, not a "knowledge" in any possible form.
Canadian Otaku wrote...
"What religion are you?"To that, I have no answer, because there is no answer from my perspective.
If you are religious, you know your answer. If your aren't, the same -- should not be difficult to answer simply none, is it ?
Canadian Otaku wrote...
When asked if I "believe", my response causes people to try and label me under "atheist" and other similar titles. It seems a bit silly to me and has no place from my perspective.Simple. It's because you answer I "believe" there is no greater power. This is just atheism, don't get offensed for so little.
I won't comment that clumsy comparison with a hobby. I can do the same as a comparison with people being bald and those who don't. What is the point ? Saying you don't like to be put on a label ? Don't worry : you just have to quit living in society to escape that phenomenom.
Canadian Otaku wrote...
From my perspective, even the "atheist" label is something that only exists in a world where the presence of a "god" is debatable. Its like being asked if you're a believer or non-believer of Santa Claus... the whole question/topic seems so pointlessly redundant that the topic should not need discussing in the first place.You put it like there was only the choice in believing or not in some god(s). BUT there is also the status quo.
Which means it's different. Three choices :
- Believing there would be no great power.
- Believing there would be a great power.
- Staying without clear-sided opinion.
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Me I'm agnostic. Because when you put analysis to its very extremity -- meaning every hypothesises have been reviewed and run out -- you reach two point :
- Why is there something instead of nothing ?
- The origine of the universe.
Beyond those two points, it's impossible to know whether or not there would be some "power" also called by many people (with or without religious attachement) "god" or even "gods".
You may reject the possibility of something like a god but you have no proof to sustain your belief, because as long as it remains a conviction, it is not the reality but rather your own belief or even "opinion" -- if something so few backed up can be called an opinion.
Besides religions, which you're not forced to follow against your will/heart, you can't brush away a hypothesis solely on the basis you reject it without solid back up. It is not to say whether religions would be right, wrong, or whatever. Just the fact :
WE. DO. NOT. KNOW.
That's why as for myself I'm agnostic and I won't despise people believing in any form of (a) god(s), as long as it does not contradict the facts from objective reality.
You should quote the entire post more correctly too, since you were asking :
I don't know Leibniz's definition but I know Hume's. And miracles are, unless you believe in some god, impossible. You cannot define miracle as something rare or amazing in epic proportions. A miracle is a suspension of the natural order. The creation of the universe is, like me, you, the stars and Irina Shayk, part of the natural order. The ultimate ontological question is one I step back from or when I talk about it I either don't take it seriously, as in, I don't think I can find an answer or I just make conceptual corrections to others. That question is one Stephen Hawking said would like to know the answer to. I think that is enough to point out that a paragraph with three lines (and with Leibniz's name on it) is no way near the discussion seeing as you could write a 10 volume book on that note.
Before I lash out on calling atheism a form of belief, I'd like you to explain that fact/proof thing better for I could be making a misinterpretation.
I have answered as for example :
Then, up to your last post :
Believing there is no god, as known as being atheist, is still a belief. It's different from agnosticism.
You even went as far as insulting Leibniz "just because" -- a way to say you're rude because of knowledge/understanding 's lacuna or because of dishonesty ? Both ?
You randomly comment my post without some consistent agrument. Maybe it was too hard to swallow ?
As for what is a miracle, ask doctors they know some of. It is not a matter of what science can handle or not, but also of expectation and occurences. There's no need to argue.
Plus concerning mutly-universe and such, you just try to drown the fish in some logorrhea only built with spite and zero argumentum.
nateriver10 wrote...
Fligger wrote...
In this absolute extreme, ahteism also become a form of belief -- since it's indecidable for lack of fact/proof.I don't know Leibniz's definition but I know Hume's. And miracles are, unless you believe in some god, impossible. You cannot define miracle as something rare or amazing in epic proportions. A miracle is a suspension of the natural order. The creation of the universe is, like me, you, the stars and Irina Shayk, part of the natural order. The ultimate ontological question is one I step back from or when I talk about it I either don't take it seriously, as in, I don't think I can find an answer or I just make conceptual corrections to others. That question is one Stephen Hawking said would like to know the answer to. I think that is enough to point out that a paragraph with three lines (and with Leibniz's name on it) is no way near the discussion seeing as you could write a 10 volume book on that note.
Before I lash out on calling atheism a form of belief, I'd like you to explain that fact/proof thing better for I could be making a misinterpretation.
I have answered as for example :
Fligger wrote...
Concerning what the universe is originated from, we really lack of facts and thus "proofs". We have no way to reach anything beyond the birth point of the universe.Then, up to your last post :
nateriver10 wrote...
My main question was about atheism being a form of belief.Believing there is no god, as known as being atheist, is still a belief. It's different from agnosticism.
nateriver10 wrote...
Leibniz sounds like he wrote under the influence of LSD.You even went as far as insulting Leibniz "just because" -- a way to say you're rude because of knowledge/understanding 's lacuna or because of dishonesty ? Both ?
You randomly comment my post without some consistent agrument. Maybe it was too hard to swallow ?
As for what is a miracle, ask doctors they know some of. It is not a matter of what science can handle or not, but also of expectation and occurences. There's no need to argue.
Plus concerning mutly-universe and such, you just try to drown the fish in some logorrhea only built with spite and zero argumentum.
Paranormal ≈ supernatural and each/both = patascience(*)
(*) Read about pataphysic for example.
As for parthenogenesis, it is just normal science and no sientist would rigourously say a parthenogenesis within human-kind would be "impossible", but rather there are lot of mechanisms preventing against such event. In that given case, just a matter of statistic and possibilities.
As for miracle, huh ! Don't think everything is already "written" somewhere along the "natural law". Casualty is a matter of statistic, which is different than determinism. That is why exist theories about parallel universes, each of these universes parting from each possibility than can occure for each event even the less significant. Some of those theories assume the way events happen in our "current" universe/dimension, may be influenced by what is happening in the "nearest" dimensions/universes. That is not as foolish as some of us here would like to make it look.
Moreover, there is a extremely unpredictable phenomenom called emergence : whatever you can know about a level of natural law or a situation, when complexity reach a certain moment or amount or both, it becomes unpredictable, also qualified as chaotic. Why ? Simply because order is only a facet from chaos.
So miracles aren't the preserve of religions and such.
And if you believe in determinism, you should learn a bit about thermodynamic laws as for example the failure of the Laplace's demon versus the Carnot's principle and the irreversibility of events.
So : no, not everything can be "explained" or rather foreseen by Science even if you were to know every-everything about our universe. But afterward (after the events), you may try to "trail backward" those events.
As for Leibniz, to summarize he was saying that if every/each event, even the less significant, happening within our universe is decided by God, then each event would be a miracle -- since it's from God's hand.
Concerning what the universe is originated from, we really lack of facts and thus "proofs". We have no way to reach anything beyond the birth point of the universe.
(*) Read about pataphysic for example.
As for parthenogenesis, it is just normal science and no sientist would rigourously say a parthenogenesis within human-kind would be "impossible", but rather there are lot of mechanisms preventing against such event. In that given case, just a matter of statistic and possibilities.
As for miracle, huh ! Don't think everything is already "written" somewhere along the "natural law". Casualty is a matter of statistic, which is different than determinism. That is why exist theories about parallel universes, each of these universes parting from each possibility than can occure for each event even the less significant. Some of those theories assume the way events happen in our "current" universe/dimension, may be influenced by what is happening in the "nearest" dimensions/universes. That is not as foolish as some of us here would like to make it look.
Moreover, there is a extremely unpredictable phenomenom called emergence : whatever you can know about a level of natural law or a situation, when complexity reach a certain moment or amount or both, it becomes unpredictable, also qualified as chaotic. Why ? Simply because order is only a facet from chaos.
So miracles aren't the preserve of religions and such.
And if you believe in determinism, you should learn a bit about thermodynamic laws as for example the failure of the Laplace's demon versus the Carnot's principle and the irreversibility of events.
So : no, not everything can be "explained" or rather foreseen by Science even if you were to know every-everything about our universe. But afterward (after the events), you may try to "trail backward" those events.
As for Leibniz, to summarize he was saying that if every/each event, even the less significant, happening within our universe is decided by God, then each event would be a miracle -- since it's from God's hand.
Concerning what the universe is originated from, we really lack of facts and thus "proofs". We have no way to reach anything beyond the birth point of the universe.
Better to do it in no-salty water, or else vaginal libricant wears off. Even so, water still makes it more or less wear off.
Make sur your partner is wetting buckets like crazy.
Make sur your partner is wetting buckets like crazy.
As if...
When there is recession there is depression and where there is depression there are disorders, sometimes deaths, most of time some cost for society.
Not sure taxes would solve anything, since it has never prevent people to begin to smoke tobacco nor to drink alcohol. Not even to buy by import.
You wouldn't gain more money, just the same but from fewer people, or people would turn toward illegal providers with no taxes.
When there is recession there is depression and where there is depression there are disorders, sometimes deaths, most of time some cost for society.
Not sure taxes would solve anything, since it has never prevent people to begin to smoke tobacco nor to drink alcohol. Not even to buy by import.
You wouldn't gain more money, just the same but from fewer people, or people would turn toward illegal providers with no taxes.
Nietzsche ^^ A good guy :-D
In a way if there is no god, then this world is really a miracle -- that is to say, not the same way as Leibniz's view but still a miracle, regarding one of the ultimate ontologic matters : "why is there something instead of nothing ?"
In that vein there are people considering "as a god" what made possible the existence of the universe. Not the same god as in bible, torah, koran... But some "power" we're originated from.
In this absolute extreme, ahteism also become a form of belief -- since it's indecidable for lack of fact/proof.
In a way if there is no god, then this world is really a miracle -- that is to say, not the same way as Leibniz's view but still a miracle, regarding one of the ultimate ontologic matters : "why is there something instead of nothing ?"
In that vein there are people considering "as a god" what made possible the existence of the universe. Not the same god as in bible, torah, koran... But some "power" we're originated from.
In this absolute extreme, ahteism also become a form of belief -- since it's indecidable for lack of fact/proof.
Holoofyoistu wrote...
I was clinically depressed when i was a sophmore in highschool, and if i handnt had other people to help me, i probably would have killed myself. One of the worst things a depresed person can do is to "deal" with it by themselves.The truth is you deal with depression by yourself.
What you can do with other people is relax, sometime learn a bit, etc. In short : forget for little time your current depression, focus on other things, act as if everything was alright.
Because those moment "as everything was alright" are very important to regain some energy and confidence in yourself, or simply be normal even for a shorter or longer moment.
But that's not your friends or whatever who decide it, only the depressed one, if he/she is willing to.
That is why, when the depressed one is in too bad condition to be right-minded in those moments, there may be need of medical drugs and most of all a psychsatrist to (re-)learn some mind-tools and how, when, why use those.
1st) Try to be honest. She may be pleased to pop your cherries.
2nd) If you can't be honest, go to a prostitute. No need to say it's a part of her job, so it will go smoothly and you'll get out of this with a better confidence in yourself.
3rd) If you can't even do the 1st) or the 2nd), withdraw your rendez-vous to gain some delay or whatever and shed your tears on your cowardice.
The choice is yours.
2nd) If you can't be honest, go to a prostitute. No need to say it's a part of her job, so it will go smoothly and you'll get out of this with a better confidence in yourself.
3rd) If you can't even do the 1st) or the 2nd), withdraw your rendez-vous to gain some delay or whatever and shed your tears on your cowardice.
The choice is yours.
When you say animals displaying "moral" behavior, I just see anthropocentrism.
Or would you say for example parasites and such are displaying "immoral" behaviour ? What about the ichneumon which, says the anecdote, had made the great Darwin to cease believing in god existence when he discovered how it takes care of its offspring ?
Hence it's better guarding oneself from hasty judgement, particularly about possible anthropic bias.
Satus quo still keeps great value, even whithin human societies.
Or would you say for example parasites and such are displaying "immoral" behaviour ? What about the ichneumon which, says the anecdote, had made the great Darwin to cease believing in god existence when he discovered how it takes care of its offspring ?
Hence it's better guarding oneself from hasty judgement, particularly about possible anthropic bias.
Satus quo still keeps great value, even whithin human societies.
Holoofyoistu wrote...
Fligger wrote...
None. Neither "good" nor "evil" by nature.It's only a matter of whim whether we act good or bad.
Yes, but are we inclined by our nature to act one way or another?
We just are.
The "good/bad" balance is more a matter of society and culture. And as a matter of fact/sample, south-east Asia balance is less settled on saint/evil or even "good/bad" than order/chaos.