Waar Posts
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Ranka wrote...
Waar said I could go to irc but I didnt have it installed yet and he said he wasnt patient. Cutey he said what I did was ok too since he said I had to do something so people wont wonder why I was unbanned allofasudden.
Whaaaat? You think that's the only reason I made you apologize for? I made you(cant believe I even had to force you) you apologize because you've wronged this community, it's only natural that one does so when one has done something wrong. Don't misunderstand, there is no part of me that sanctions the way you came back, making a bajillion alts and then e-mailing jacob a bunch of times is the epitome poor form.
Yoshii didn't get a free pass, in fact he was given much harsher treatment than most people. He mass spammed once, while Jake was watching and that got him banned for over a year. Do you know what we do to first offenders normally? 3 days. The reason for the harsh punishment was because Jacob wanted to make an example and he doesn't do the 3 strike rule.
I want to be very clear on this koko, the only reason you're back right now is because I'm an adult and I can forgive people if they ask. Please don't compare your situation to anyone else, right now you're the luckiest girl on these forums.
Waar
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NEXUS wrote...
Waar wrote...
I know what you look like; dont touch me, you look sweaty.Don't worry, I'd rather hug a cactus than you.
Could you? That would be awesome to watch.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
I know what you look like; dont touch me, you look sweaty.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Drifter995 wrote...
He told me he enjoys spamming and messing around more than following rules, lelThen you should stop asking he be unbanned, the only reason we're considering koko is because she promised not to break any more, if he's unwilling to do even that then he wont be welcome back.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Ryssen wrote...
You summed it up very well, Waar. Like you, I'm willing to see if she can change for the better. And if she doesn't, well, we'll get some kicks out of it.
Nothing to lose and quite a bit to gain, I don't see how it could hurt.
I want these words on my tombstone, I just know I'm going to regret saying it.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Solidshit(shiki isn't banned( I said I would not ban him based solely on the fact he said he was leaving), I told people zak could come back he just never asked, read my other post in her apology thread if you want to know why it looks like she's been banned 8 times. Jacob bans are as close to final as possible but you can come back from them, Longevity had a Jacob ban. We can talk about Mantis when he comes back and talks to me, I gave him the same advice as I gave Illumia; stop making alts for like a year and then come request an unban. The major reason people stay banned is they either dont care about coming back or try to ban evade. Stop making alts if you ever one day wish to return to Fakku.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Alright, my thoughts on the matter, this will probably turn out to be a bit long.
On misunderstandings:
On Koko: The negative
On Koko: The positive
In the end I still come back to my original thought: if she has changed she might be good for the community, and if she hasn't in a few weeks she'll do something to get herself banned and we can go back to our boring IB. Present new arguments now and try to keep them short.
On misunderstandings:
Spoiler:
On Koko: The negative
Spoiler:
On Koko: The positive
Spoiler:
In the end I still come back to my original thought: if she has changed she might be good for the community, and if she hasn't in a few weeks she'll do something to get herself banned and we can go back to our boring IB. Present new arguments now and try to keep them short.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Ranka wrote...
Okay~! So I'm back and can forget this thread now, Thanks!No, don't ever forget this thread. IF you're permitted to come back you should never forget what you had to do here. It's a lesson and if it seems like I'm talking down to you it's only because right now you seems to be misunderstanding what place if any you have here. For now you're on very thin ice while I decide how to resolve this, any bickering and I will probably punish both parties but the only real difference is that you wont see a normal punishment, you'll get the hammer. I mean it, until Ive decided you even think about being hostile and you're gone. If someone attacks you, turn the other cheek, like I told you before; a bunch of people bad mouthing you in this thread wont convince me to ban you so stop worrying about your "reputation". If someone lies about things you've done, let them. If you're not permitted to come back you will only have yourself to blame this time.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Gravity cat wrote...
Callonia wrote...
From this thread, I have to assume that koko managed to screw up for second time.My best guess is she made herself known when she was dumb enough to post a picture of herself.
She was still meant to be b& as far as I know.
No.
This is how the events unfolded:
1 - She pm'd or e-mailed jake asking to be unbanned
2 - he didnt know it was her but said okay
3 - she pm'ed me telling me not to ban her because jake said it was okay
4 - she went on the post a bunch before i saw her message(including the picture)
5 - I responded with a message(this thread) telling her to get jake to inform me, that a pm from her was not enough.
6 - that night jake told me he said it was up to me and he didnt know it was her
7 - She then pm'ed me asking what I needed to decide in her favor.
8 - I told her to apologize to the community, stating what she did wrong, why it was wrong and how she intends not to fall back into those patterns again.
9 - Present time.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Gravity cat wrote...
I'm amazed you haven't worked it out yet that all you need to do is stop responding to all the negativity and drop the victim complex. You're just making shit worse by being so defensive and even at times making ridiculous claims in your bid to try and prove others wrong. Eventually people will - at the very least - tolerate you.Not getting worked up when confronted with negativity worked for Illumia, though the arse pics helped.
TL;DR chill the fuck out and grow a thicker skin.
1000% on the mark; koko ignore anything that's going to drag you into an argument. You're the one who's conduct is being monitored, you're the one who's neck is in a noose, all someone has to do is push you a little bit and you're going to blow up and Ill have to ban you again.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Drifter995 wrote...
Waar wrote...
Drifter I want to reply to you but each one of your posts takes fucking hours to read and respond to.Ill do it in the morning, maybe.
I know, it's apparently essay season
I'm normally pretty long winded but holy shit dude, you're writing a thesis.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Drifter I want to reply to you but each one of your posts takes fucking hours to read and respond to.
Ill do it in the morning, maybe.
Ill do it in the morning, maybe.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Drifter995 wrote...
Spoiler:
Going to start off by saying the following statement is in no way meant to indicate where I fall on this matter. that being said this is the internet, and these are words, the amount of "feeling" you perceive has no baring the true amount of responsibility she feels, you're basing the judgement on whether or not she's sincere entirely on your opinion of the person. For example I can say I'm sorry for x and y but there's no way in hell for you to tell just by my words alone if I really mean it. Everyone jumping on the "That didn't feel like a real apology" train is letting biased judgement cloud the issue, some people aren't adept at writing, or less adept with the English language(not saying this is the case).
Fakku does have rules, but they aren't set in stone to the point where people can't be permitted to rejoin the community after a set amount of time. Yoshii was a special case where Jake was the one who banned him and I guess he took whatever Yoshii did personally, and as you know Jacob is a special case when it comes to bans. Mantis would have been allowed back if he didn't come back and violate the rules every couple of months with a ban evasion(the exact same reason koko wasn't really permitted back). Your advice on being consistent is something I want to pay special attention to though, and it leads me to one question; why? Every case is different, and every moderator punishes differently. I see no reason to change that, people being "perma banned" lose all right to "fair treatment". I'm not saying I don't think standardized moderating would be a good idea but I don't own or run this site.
She doesn't really need your approval, like last time I'm going to do what I think is best based on my own judgement, all I ask for is your input but please don't take this is anyone begging or pleading. I would appreciate it if people back up whatever I decide in the end but it's not a requirement.
On the point of me being too forgiving: people constantly accuse me of being too harsh, too quick to ban, too much of an intractable dick when it comes to handing out punishment but the second it starts up about a user you guys don't like everyone accuses me of being a care-bear; make up your minds you fickle assholes.
I'm going to keep reading before I give my opinion on the matter but for now let's say I'm unconvinced either way.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
To answer shotty's request: What do you think you've done wrong koko? What actions led you to being banned and
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
For now you can keep posting and whatnot but I want more people to have input on this before i make the final call. I'm open to the idea but you really really don't deserve it.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Lughost wrote...
Waar wrote...
alright both of you relax, lug feels shes been wronged, do you feel like she deserves an apology koko? If so please make it and both of you stop bickering.just saying, but I'm a he
my bad.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
alright both of you relax, lug feels shes been wronged, do you feel like she deserves an apology koko? If so please make it and both of you stop bickering.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Im current in IRC if anyone want to discuss any of this(including koko).
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Welp, As I said last time it's still up to me and I'm not convinced so as of right now, you're not permitted to rejoin the community. I haven't seen you admit any guilt in this, there is no remorse for anything you've done to this point, until that changes you wont be allowed back.
Waar
FAKKU Moderator
artcellrox wrote...
JacoboNot sure why my spell check thinks that's alright but whatev