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Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
Ranka wrote...
Waar said I could go to irc but I didnt have it installed yet and he said he wasnt patient.

Cutey he said what I did was ok too since he said I had to do something so people wont wonder why I was unbanned allofasudden.


Whaaaat? You think that's the only reason I made you apologize for? I made you(cant believe I even had to force you) you apologize because you've wronged this community, it's only natural that one does so when one has done something wrong. Don't misunderstand, there is no part of me that sanctions the way you came back, making a bajillion alts and then e-mailing jacob a bunch of times is the epitome poor form.

Yoshii didn't get a free pass, in fact he was given much harsher treatment than most people. He mass spammed once, while Jake was watching and that got him banned for over a year. Do you know what we do to first offenders normally? 3 days. The reason for the harsh punishment was because Jacob wanted to make an example and he doesn't do the 3 strike rule.

I want to be very clear on this koko, the only reason you're back right now is because I'm an adult and I can forgive people if they ask. Please don't compare your situation to anyone else, right now you're the luckiest girl on these forums.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
NEXUS wrote...
Waar wrote...
I know what you look like; dont touch me, you look sweaty.


Don't worry, I'd rather hug a cactus than you.


Could you? That would be awesome to watch.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
I know what you look like; dont touch me, you look sweaty.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
Drifter995 wrote...
He told me he enjoys spamming and messing around more than following rules, lel


Then you should stop asking he be unbanned, the only reason we're considering koko is because she promised not to break any more, if he's unwilling to do even that then he wont be welcome back.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
Ryssen wrote...
You summed it up very well, Waar.

Like you, I'm willing to see if she can change for the better. And if she doesn't, well, we'll get some kicks out of it.


Nothing to lose and quite a bit to gain, I don't see how it could hurt.

I want these words on my tombstone, I just know I'm going to regret saying it.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
Solidshit(shiki isn't banned( I said I would not ban him based solely on the fact he said he was leaving), I told people zak could come back he just never asked, read my other post in her apology thread if you want to know why it looks like she's been banned 8 times. Jacob bans are as close to final as possible but you can come back from them, Longevity had a Jacob ban. We can talk about Mantis when he comes back and talks to me, I gave him the same advice as I gave Illumia; stop making alts for like a year and then come request an unban. The major reason people stay banned is they either dont care about coming back or try to ban evade. Stop making alts if you ever one day wish to return to Fakku.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
Alright, my thoughts on the matter, this will probably turn out to be a bit long.

On misunderstandings:

Spoiler:
Perma bans on Fakku aren't permanent, they have never been so. From the days before I was staff up to the present, given enough time and the proper attitude members have been permitted to return. Illumia was given conditions before she was permitted to return(wait a specific amount of time without making alts), which mantis has been given, while others have just asked to come back and Jacob acquiesced to their requests. I have told the forum in general that if any of the old users wish to come back all they need do is contact me, I assume as only a few have done so the others simply don't wish to return/dont care.

Shotty you have the wrong sequence of events and the rest of you are also slightly off, most of the "shes been given multiples chances to return" are in the wrong here. As Fakku uses a three strike rule most of the misunderstanding comes from that. She got banned for something, then the ban expired, then she gets banned again and after an even longer hiatus it expires once more... this happened a few times until she was eventually "perma banned". A few months ago she met Jacob(which is known to get bans reversed) and when he came home he put it to me, that he believed she should be unbanned but that the final decision was mine. That was the only time she previously had a chance to be unbanned, and while she did blow that pretty hard it was never a done deal. Overall she's never really come back from a permanent ban officially as of today.


On Koko: The negative
Spoiler:

Part of me doesn't think it's been long enough, even Illumia had to wait a full year and it's not been a year since Koko's last alt. The question of which user's violation was more serious is up for debate, there are facts about both cases which the general public are unaware of but suffice it to say both users violations should have led to their permanent removal from the forum. I don't like that she tried to go behind my back once more to Jacob to have her ban lifted and only after I spoke with Jacob and he once again put it to me was she willing to hear my demands. I don't like that I had to tell her to apologize, like that wasn't obvious from the start. It's inconceivable to me for someone who feels any real guilt for something to want to come back and not even consider apologizing on her own. She had to ask a friend why the community was mad, and how she should deal with it, is that not something we're taught as children? I broke a window and people are mad so I should say sorry at the very least. So perhaps her apology isn't real, or perhaps her brain works differently than mine own. Does that really matter? If I wanted people to like me I would give them the respect of an apology, but what if it were people whom I honestly did not care about making a good impression? I don't have to like her as a person to allow her back.


On Koko: The positive
Spoiler:

Another part of me does see the hostility in the crowd, and I've face that very same hostility(from different people) and I can assure you anyone not gifted with good support from friends or a very particular set of skills(how I deal) would be severely hurt by this much hate. You cant constantly be bombarded by hate without it getting to you. Her reactions are poor in this aspect, instead of letting it roll off her back or sitting down and debating the finer points she responds aggressively and that volatile nature is naught but a disservice to her. Part of me wants to help her learn how to deal with critics but at the same time she has a pride which I believe would not allow her to take my advice. When I consider how she might be telling the truth and may honestly want to make amends for all shes done in the past I also tend to lean towards allowing her back. Illumia was able to reintegrate and I would argue is now a valued member of our community(who rarely shows up). There are other success stories like Longevity or Sheepfuckerasian which force me to consider her return, if she stays banned what do we gain?


In the end I still come back to my original thought: if she has changed she might be good for the community, and if she hasn't in a few weeks she'll do something to get herself banned and we can go back to our boring IB. Present new arguments now and try to keep them short.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
Ranka wrote...
Okay~! So I'm back and can forget this thread now, Thanks!


No, don't ever forget this thread. IF you're permitted to come back you should never forget what you had to do here. It's a lesson and if it seems like I'm talking down to you it's only because right now you seems to be misunderstanding what place if any you have here. For now you're on very thin ice while I decide how to resolve this, any bickering and I will probably punish both parties but the only real difference is that you wont see a normal punishment, you'll get the hammer. I mean it, until Ive decided you even think about being hostile and you're gone. If someone attacks you, turn the other cheek, like I told you before; a bunch of people bad mouthing you in this thread wont convince me to ban you so stop worrying about your "reputation". If someone lies about things you've done, let them. If you're not permitted to come back you will only have yourself to blame this time.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
Gravity cat wrote...
Callonia wrote...
From this thread, I have to assume that koko managed to screw up for second time.


My best guess is she made herself known when she was dumb enough to post a picture of herself.

She was still meant to be b& as far as I know.


No.

This is how the events unfolded:

1 - She pm'd or e-mailed jake asking to be unbanned
2 - he didnt know it was her but said okay
3 - she pm'ed me telling me not to ban her because jake said it was okay
4 - she went on the post a bunch before i saw her message(including the picture)
5 - I responded with a message(this thread) telling her to get jake to inform me, that a pm from her was not enough.
6 - that night jake told me he said it was up to me and he didnt know it was her
7 - She then pm'ed me asking what I needed to decide in her favor.
8 - I told her to apologize to the community, stating what she did wrong, why it was wrong and how she intends not to fall back into those patterns again.
9 - Present time.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
Gravity cat wrote...
I'm amazed you haven't worked it out yet that all you need to do is stop responding to all the negativity and drop the victim complex. You're just making shit worse by being so defensive and even at times making ridiculous claims in your bid to try and prove others wrong. Eventually people will - at the very least - tolerate you.

Not getting worked up when confronted with negativity worked for Illumia, though the arse pics helped.

TL;DR chill the fuck out and grow a thicker skin.


1000% on the mark; koko ignore anything that's going to drag you into an argument. You're the one who's conduct is being monitored, you're the one who's neck is in a noose, all someone has to do is push you a little bit and you're going to blow up and Ill have to ban you again.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
Drifter995 wrote...
Waar wrote...
Drifter I want to reply to you but each one of your posts takes fucking hours to read and respond to.

Ill do it in the morning, maybe.


I know, it's apparently essay season


I'm normally pretty long winded but holy shit dude, you're writing a thesis.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
Drifter I want to reply to you but each one of your posts takes fucking hours to read and respond to.

Ill do it in the morning, maybe.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
Drifter995 wrote...
Spoiler:
This entirely.
Although, I'd like to expand on it;

From what she has posted (her 'apology') It seems she has no feeling, no actual regret, and has not come to the realisation of why she was banned, or what she has done wrong.
She has admitted she has done some wrong, but will not expand on that, and will not admit that she has done wrong explicitly. She will keep making apologies that say 'I MAY have done something wrong, and for that I'm sorry' not, 'I HAVE done something wrong, I abused people, I attacked people, I broke the rules in multiple ways, by creating alts, etc etc'
From where I'm sitting, she lacks sincerity in her apology, and is just bullshitting her way through an apology, like the last fifty times.


If she wants my approval, she needs to make a sincere apology, put meaning, put thought, and actually prove she's realised her mistakes, and has learned from them.
After that happens (which I doubt), I propose an undefined probation time (preferably indefinite again) and if she fucks up (again) Ban her again, and keep her the fuck off the forums.

I'm being serious here, if she can break all the fucking rules, and come back as 50 alts, fuck shit up, abuse people, personally attack people, and be a general cunt (breaking more rules) Then, come back scott free.. Why the fuck do we have rules? Why the fuck are there even mods? If she is allowed to have such privilege, why is yoshi not back? Why is mantis not allowed back? What she has done is by far worse than what the others have done collectively.
Honestly, either be consistent with the rules, and how you enforce them, and ban her, and tell her to fucking grow up. Or, let her back, and let mantis and the others back.

Again, this is about her 50th time being considered a chance. The past times have all ended up in her breaking her promise and getting banned. She gave an 'apology' and swore she would be good. That lasted about a good few weeks before she got banned again. Every time.
Every time you (waar) even considers telling her to re-word her bullshit apologies, or banning her for breaking the rules (yet again), she comes back with 20 more alts, calls you a cunt, tells you to kill yourself, calls jacob a cunt, tries her best to break the server (although she seems to lack the know how on how that actually works) and pretty much throws her chance in the toilet. Last time this happened, that happened whilst we were discussing bringing her back. Then she somehow came back under the impression she was allowed back, before being banned again. Now this.
Seriously dude, you need to just man up and get rid of her. She is cancer.
Every time she does this, she gives you an insincere apology, filled with bullshit about how she's 'changed' and then goes and does exactly what she was banned for.
She is literally a child. Nothing is going to get to her, and get her to change, especially if this shit keeps happening. How can you possibly learn a lesson if you keep getting treats when you're meant to be punished?

re-evaluate, sleep on it, then get back to me.

edit; Apologies, got a bit heavy fingered in there, but, point still stands. You've been far too forgiving to her
Also; notice how as soon as you posted 'You have shown no guilt, nor remorse' and suddenly a thread comes up about guilt and remorse? Yet, it still doesn't contain sincerity and/ or specifically admit to guilt, just says that things 'may' have happened. And when questioned on it, she just says 'for things that HAVE happened' doesn't say the whole thing over, and put meaning into it, it's all just another false front to try and sweet talk you into coming back onto the forums.... again.


Going to start off by saying the following statement is in no way meant to indicate where I fall on this matter. that being said this is the internet, and these are words, the amount of "feeling" you perceive has no baring the true amount of responsibility she feels, you're basing the judgement on whether or not she's sincere entirely on your opinion of the person. For example I can say I'm sorry for x and y but there's no way in hell for you to tell just by my words alone if I really mean it. Everyone jumping on the "That didn't feel like a real apology" train is letting biased judgement cloud the issue, some people aren't adept at writing, or less adept with the English language(not saying this is the case).

Fakku does have rules, but they aren't set in stone to the point where people can't be permitted to rejoin the community after a set amount of time. Yoshii was a special case where Jake was the one who banned him and I guess he took whatever Yoshii did personally, and as you know Jacob is a special case when it comes to bans. Mantis would have been allowed back if he didn't come back and violate the rules every couple of months with a ban evasion(the exact same reason koko wasn't really permitted back). Your advice on being consistent is something I want to pay special attention to though, and it leads me to one question; why? Every case is different, and every moderator punishes differently. I see no reason to change that, people being "perma banned" lose all right to "fair treatment". I'm not saying I don't think standardized moderating would be a good idea but I don't own or run this site.

She doesn't really need your approval, like last time I'm going to do what I think is best based on my own judgement, all I ask for is your input but please don't take this is anyone begging or pleading. I would appreciate it if people back up whatever I decide in the end but it's not a requirement.

On the point of me being too forgiving: people constantly accuse me of being too harsh, too quick to ban, too much of an intractable dick when it comes to handing out punishment but the second it starts up about a user you guys don't like everyone accuses me of being a care-bear; make up your minds you fickle assholes.

I'm going to keep reading before I give my opinion on the matter but for now let's say I'm unconvinced either way.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
To answer shotty's request: What do you think you've done wrong koko? What actions led you to being banned and
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
For now you can keep posting and whatnot but I want more people to have input on this before i make the final call. I'm open to the idea but you really really don't deserve it.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
Lughost wrote...
Waar wrote...
alright both of you relax, lug feels shes been wronged, do you feel like she deserves an apology koko? If so please make it and both of you stop bickering.


just saying, but I'm a he


my bad.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
alright both of you relax, lug feels shes been wronged, do you feel like she deserves an apology koko? If so please make it and both of you stop bickering.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
Im current in IRC if anyone want to discuss any of this(including koko).
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
Welp, As I said last time it's still up to me and I'm not convinced so as of right now, you're not permitted to rejoin the community. I haven't seen you admit any guilt in this, there is no remorse for anything you've done to this point, until that changes you wont be allowed back.
Waar FAKKU Moderator
11 years ago
artcellrox wrote...
Jacobo


Not sure why my spell check thinks that's alright but whatev
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