Code Geass R2 Episode 19

Well, I just watched the RAW version. I'll have to wait till tomorrow for the subbed one, but I think I understood the majority of the episode.

Basic wrap-up of this episode -


Now this is what brings up an issue for me.

That being said, I am now certain that Nunally didn't die. I know that most people thought the she was still alive anyway, but this reassures me.She's too vital to the whole storyline for her to be dead yet.

Wonder what Lelouche will do next? Pointless returning as Zero ever again. Any got any ideas as to who his new ally will be?

Left one thing out in my wrap-up -


Excuse the poor language in this post, it's rather late and my brain is numb after watching some Olympic tennis.

Eh? Is there something wrong with watching the subs today?

Anyway, I still think Nunnally is dead. Mainly due to Lelouch still pursuing Charles even though he's "lost everything" and the reverse psychology employed that would make you think Nunnally is still alive because she didn't deliver a death speech.

EPIC episode!!!!

This ep proves what I thought Charles trying to do what I thought he was. It wasn't his whole plan...but oh well :wink: .

I live in Australia so I have to wait till Monday for subbed episodes. Takes a few hours for people to sub them you see.

I think I see your point, but if it is reverse psychology, pretty stupid time to do it. I mean, they can do it the normal way for Rolo, but if Nunally really is dead, they offed her in a relatively dull fashion.

I have to agree with you on this. I think with the series, typical reverse psychology would suggest that she's dead. Nunnally dying at this point is too obvious and the fact that she would be dead would, in effect, imply that Sayoko is dead, but she's just been a wildcard throughout the entire series regardless of the situation. To illustrate my point, did anyone expect her to be Lelouch's double at Ashford?

The fact remains that Ashford Academy was practically on the border of the blast radius. Last episode, I didn't realize that, but now, I'm even more convinced that Sayoko and Nunnally survived. If there's anyone alive that would know the layout of Ashford it would be the super ninjamaid. I'm not going to be ready to say she or Nunnally are dead until the end of the series if and when it is said outright that they are.

However, I'm overly convinced that from this point on, the series is going to shift to the relationship, hetero or homosexual, between Lelouch and Suzaku. In the battle, and events surrounding it, led them to become outcasts to both sides. Lelouch is clearly wanted dead by both sides and by the way of his own "morality," I doubt that Suzaku could ever return to Britannia or Japan due to his actions, even if they accepted him. Therefore, even if they hate each other, Suzaku with the Lancelot and Lelouch with the Shinkiro, are a force to be reckoned with. Not to mention that Kallen is still loyal to Lelouch and there is a possibility that either Anya or Gino, or both, are still somewhat loyal to Suzaku. Then there are the respective links to the opposing sides each of them have, Lelouch through blood and Suzaku being that he is Japanese and the fact that as a child, Todo was his martial arts instructor.
*Side note: That means that if it weren't for Todo, there would be no Spinzaku.

I like how they just decided to kill Lelouch even though he got them that far just cuz he used a little geass on sum people... they should at least have asked him some questions. It seems that Sunrise like to make epic deaths. I like that rolo die in an ass kicking escape. I think most likely Orange will go find Lelouch and will team up with Suzaku cuz of the fan service and they have to team up before the show is over...

Rolo- "I knew you were lying when you said that you hated me and wanted to kill me."

Leouch- "Umm... yeah you saw right through me... '>.>"

Hey The Jesus, remember that large building in the middle of the Tokyo Settlement that acted as a sort of HQ? It was completely blown away. Wasn't Nunnally's escape vessel supposed to be launched from the base of that building? If so, then we can guarantee that Sayoko is dead. Nunnally may still be alive if she happens to have a Code or Charles transported her with the Thought Elevator, but Sayoko being alive is about as likely as Asahina being alive.

I might be interpreting your response wrong, but I sense some kind of hostility. Its all just speculation. No part of your response leads me to believe that there is absolutely no chance Sayoko couldn't get to safety in time.

CHANCE!

@ The Jesus: Sorry, sorry. I didn't mean to sound hostile. My view is that the only ways for Sayoko to survive are:

1. She used some Naruto-level jutsu. Considering she got her back cut open by Jeremiah, this seems unlikely to me.
2. Nunnally is actually able to access the Thought Elevator, and she transports Sayoko and herself. Possible, though it seems too much of a stretch to suddenly make her able to do Charles/VV-level tricks.

I am operating under that assumption because the one who fired Freya, Suzaku, and the one who should know Sayoko's abilities best, Lelouch, are both convinced that Nunnally is dead. That would mean that Lelouch doesn't think it's possible for Sayoko to escape it, and Suzaku knows he fired Freya well within range of where Nunnally should be.

You implied that they may have gotten to Ashford. I'm curious about the specifics as to how you think Sayoko and Nunnally survived.

Its hard to go into specifics because anything that we can say happened is speculation. I assume that if there was an emergency where the officals had to escape from the consulate, there would be some kind of underground passage to ensure that they would be able to get to a safe place as quickly as possible. Ashford, not only because it was relatively close, but because it was a school, would, in my opinion, be the safest destination for in the event of an emergency. Then there's the whole underground observation facility that was set up under Ashford to monitor Lelouch. There's no telling what else the Britannians set up below Ashford. In the episode we saw that there was something left of the consulate that hadn't been destroyed. Then there's also the fact that the Tokyo Settlement itself was structured very elaborately with underground routes of transportation all over the place.

It didn't really show well, but from the point when Lelouch took contol of the facility underneath Ashford to when the battle took place, a significant amount of time passed. There was obviously enough time for Sayoko and Lelouch to investigate possible escape passages. As for when FLEIJA was used, I highly doubt that Sayoko would just stand there and let Nunnally and herself be killed. To begin with the rescue operation was dangerous and she would have assessed possible ways to elude capture.

I'm going on 30+ hours without sleep and I'm kind of pressed for time at the moment. So, I hope what I wrote was coherent enough.

The truth is that I have my doubts, but until there is direct confirmation from either the producers or something in the anime, I'm going to acknowledge the possibility of their survival.

Hmm? There's something left of the consulate? What are you referring to? To me, it looked like the consulate was pretty close to where the center of that crater is now.

Now for a rhetorical question; why did the Brittanians, who built those underground passageways, think that transporting Nunnally via plane was safer than driving in the underground passages away from the Black Knights?

Nuff said

In a battle, regardless of how much one side hates another, there are codes of conduct that soldiers need to respect. If you shoot down the transport of a non-combative official, especially when she is a blind paraplegic little girl, there will be repercussions, if not in battle through public response. After they went to such great lengths to establish the integrity of the Black Knights and the UFN worldwide, shooting down Nunnally would be the absolute worst move they could make.

The underground passages would be ineffective and maybe even prove detrimental to the Britannians. The building had already been infiltrated and there was no guarantee that the passages were secure. They're only a failsafe in certain emergencies where escape is impossible any other way. In this instance, they could have been potential death traps and the risk would definitely not be worth it.

However, the most logical conclusion I can come to about their plans to get Nunnally out of there is because Schneizel was in charge. He's not an idiot and by then he knew that Lelouch was Zero. There is no possible way that he would allow any harm to come to her. There would be the risk in her being captured by the Black Knights, but with his strategic expertise, I'm sure he planned at least 3-5 steps ahead. In the end, to any member of the Britannian elite, Nunnally was just a pawn.

If the fact that there could be remnants of the consulate left, then how about the underground roads? As I said the design of the Tokyo Settlement is extremely elaborate.
As I said, right multiple passages underneath Ashford.

However, from what I can tell from a rough translation of their profiles on the official site, they are dead. Which, kind of makes my arguments futile and somewhat pointless, but the fact of the matter is from the beginning I've asserted that its all speculation. Not to mention its fun to play devil's advocate.

Who knows ... We haven't heard anything about his goals. It seems he wants to be the Emperor, but we don't know what he'll do if he obtains that goal.

I've never really seen anything all that about Schneizel. Sometimes his methods are questionable, but you can't be all good or all bad and expect shit to just play out. He's gained a lot of credibility and respect among the Britannians and even his enemies. Of course he has aspirations for the throne and is out for his interests, but in the life he was born into, its not as if there really is anything wrong with that. He does what he needs to do to survive and follows his beliefs. I've said it before, he's one of the most respectable characters in the series.

I dislike Schneizel mainly because he's an antagonist. And his "Even I can't guarantee I'm not under the effects of the Geass" line, which ticks me off. I think I hate that line because it is overkill in his (successful) attempt to have the Black Knights betray Lelouch. Even though I dislike him, I can respect him just like Lelouch and Charles. I wish we knew Schneizel's goals though. We at least have some vague understanding of Charles, but we got nothing on Schneizel.

That's one of the things that makes him awesome. He's got that air of mystery surrounding him. He's like the dude that's sitting somewhere and then all of a sudden shit starts blowing up and everyone is fighting and killing each other and he's all like:


I can't agree that we have nothing about Schneizel, he's just one of those characters who's actions speak louder than his words. To be honest, he has to know a shitload more about Geass and known it longer than he's letting on. It just doesn't seem Schneizel to be learning about Geass so late in the game and as for Lelouch being Zero, he probably knew that since their chess match, at the very least. He's one of those characters that you have to presume will either die or take the throne and implement something that will settle all the shit by the end of the series.