Fate/stay night - WHAT IF we really have a Holy Grail War?

What I was trying to say is having archery skills is not enough to become a servant of the bow. It's like having many talents, but you only excel in specific talents that later becomes your main strength, and in heroic spirit somes' case(fuck, I chortled) archery isn't one of them, although history recorded that I'm good at archery. We'll compare myself with Gil since we're both FABULOUS.

On Gil's case, his first NP is Gate of Babylon. That thing shoots NPs. With mystery and ranks and various effects and all. It's ranked E-A++.
Gil's another NP is Ea. Well I don't know if he can whack things with it, but so far all it does is shoot death beams. It's ranked EX.
Both NPs have long range and they sustained a mystery rank required for being a conceptual weapon, so yes, he's eligible for Archer.

On the other hand, me, I'm a heroic rapist on a legendary rapist horse. Sure I can shoot, give me a bow and arrows and I can show you my skills. But that's it. I'm most famous for my girth and horse, not my bows. People might say "oh, so he's good with bows too, awesome." but that's it. I don't have some famous ranked projectile weapons that contain legend or mystery or magic. I don't have anything special other than above average shooting skill that a lot of heroes of the old age seem to possess too. Do you get what I'm trying to say here?

In GW's case here, he was known as the first president of United States. He was known as a general, politician, whatever. He was not known as an expert swordman that killed hundreds of enemies with his sword. Sure, he's famous for his swordmanship, but anyone can be a master swordsman too. In the links Souls provided it's said that there's no direct evidence of GW dueling or fighting battle mainly using swords. That means his swordmanship is not notable enough. Just like the heroic rapist somes who "has a legendary horse that shits thunder and eat babies. Oh and he's good with swords and bows too", GW is also "the first president of United States who is a good general. Oh and he's good with swords too". Unless Nasu wants to make importance of his swords then he can be "the first president of United States with a sword he used when [insert Nasu fanfic here]" thus eligible for a Saber class, because now he has something worthy of note, something with mystery or significance in history, which is a Noble Phantasm that defines him from other classes. Now let's talk about NPs.

NPs are the main factor considered by the Fuyuki Grail system to define the heroic spirits to enter the Holy Grail vessels known as Class. If I don't have any extraordinary feats using my bow/sword, then I can't be inserted in Archer/Saber class even when I'm pro using them. I'll just be known as "the Rider who can use swords and shoot arrows too". Unless if there's a tale of me coating my arrows with my cum and knocked up every single girl in the dorm by shooting at their cunts, then BAM, legend with bows, NP achieved: Impregnarrows, rank EX, only effective against female, therefore I can be Archer.
Whoa, that would be awesome.

Ahem, anyway, that's what I mean by skills alone isn't enough. Let's take an ingame case from our dear Arturia now.
Looking at F/Z stats, she has A rank Riding skill. A rank means she can ride anything, from airplane to motorcycle and my dick, with the exception of Phantasmal Beasts.
But in the VN it's clearly said that she could only be summoned as Saber. Now this is the important part. The question is why? Why not Rider?
Once again it's the NP factor. Excalibur is her most famous sword. It's written in everywhere, manga, games, novels, you name it. And looking at the HGW rules, if that's not a certain pass to Saber class, I don't know what is. Plus she doesn't have any ride worthy of legend. Arthur had Llamrei and Hengroen, but they're just ordinary horses with no special traits recorded in history, why bother summoning them why you can just say fuck it and jack some motorcycle? Wait, do they bear significance in Arthur's legend in the first place?

Now we're making a what-if scenario using heroic rapist somes. Let's say that I can be Archer, and I got summoned as such by a female magus who looks like Taylor Swift.

Master(M): My, mister Servant, you're so handsome. Mind if I know what Servant class are you?
Somes(S): Sure, why don't I tell you that in your bedroom?
-After two hours of passionate lovemaking-
S: I guess I can tell you now that I'm an Archer.
M: Wow, and what is your ability?
S: I have a horse.
M: What?
S: Mmm hmm.
M: Aren't Archers supposed to have abilities with long range weapons?
S: Well, I'm very good with my bow.
M: Oh, cool. What kind of arrows do you shoot?
S: What kind of arrows do I shoot?
M: Uhm, magical arrows? Cursed arrows? Or any kind of special Noble Phantasm.. Have any legends concerning arrows?
S: Uh no, just 'arrow' arrows. And sometimes flagpoles too.
M: What? Ordinary arrows? So you don't have any Noble Phantasm?
S: I have my legendary horse.
M: You shoot your horse?
S: No, silly. I ride it. Then I shoot my enemies with my arrows.
M: ..Ordinary arrows..
S: ..and flagpoles. That's a smart Master. You get another creampie as a reward.
M: If you have a legendary horse that's more famous than your skill with bows, why aren't you a Rider in the first place?
S: And why aren't you sucking my dick in the first place? Look at the bright side, now the enemy Masters won't find out my identity from my attacks alone.
M: They won't give a shit about it either.
-For Saber scenario, replace 'bow' and 'arrow' with 'sword' and 'shoot' with 'cut'-

Now you might think I'm getting a bit drunk now since I'm getting less serious, because that's true. But I was just making an example and I also wanted to bang Taylor Swift so yeah. I hope my explanation makes sense because when I checked my writings I cringed at all those unfunny jokes.

Now let's talk about Emiya's qualification as a Servant here. He's a CG. But what's important is Emiya Shirou's alignment according to Fate CM 3 which is Swords. Let's clear any misunderstanding here first. Having 'Sword' as affinity does not equal being a heroic spirit of swords. MAYBE he could become Saber, but that's another story and another fanwank until Nasu says so. Let's look at what his abilities can do.
First is tracing. Tracing allows you to recreate Noble Phantasms. Which is a fuckawesomethisisthebestthingevergoddamn ability. Many people underestimate tracing because let's be honest, compared to a reality ripping beam or a pegasus creating swords is just lame. But we often forgot tracing can be exploited by using BPs, the ability that ensures his position as an Archer.
BP is a NP that's overloaded with mana and used as a final trump card. And he can use it over and over as an arrow. It's more effective than tracing swords and using it in melee battle. He's clearly shown favoring BP than meleeing in both SN and HA and that pretty much strengthen his qualification as Archer. CG Emiya with backup from Alaya is pretty much the most fucked up thing you could ever imagine.
Now let's talk about UBW. Simply put, it's his main ability. Tracing is only a byproduct of it. Can he be summoned as Saber since his origin is Sword and he's only proficient in making swords? Well in the VN Shirou thought that Archer's swordmanship is crude and he even thought of himself more of a craftman than a swordman, so honestly, I don't know. It's a dangerous field to touch and can result into another shitfest, so let's not talk about that. But can he surely be summoned as Archer? You bet your ass he can, he was a star in his archery club and he shoots exploding swords with his bow, he can't get more archer-like than that.

Regarding your statement on Ea not being Gil's strongest NP, I'm curious about where did you get that from. Ea and Enkidu are the NPs that define his identity as a Heroic Spirit, and so far it's said in the side materials as the strongest NP with a maximum output of 4000 damage, and although Gil can only pull off 1200 damage it's still completely overwhelming compared to normal NPs with an average damage of 200. Gil always use Ea whenever he respect an enemy, getting serious, or getting fucked. It's basically his trump card. I can't figure out any NP that can deal with that except Avalon, and he doesn't have it, so if you know something I don't, please do tell.

And lastly, lol wat. As I said before I prefer Abraham Lincoln as a president. He was a cool guy, he free niggas and doesn't afraid of anything. He's more famous than GW outside of America.

Lastly, PD, I've been wanting to ask you since forever, but you went inactive for so long I thought you were dead.
Can I get source on your avatar?

Financial issues are a bitch. Out on my own now and know the frustration. Hope you can get out of the hole bro.



There are still characters who can fit into multiple roles even if it isn't their main talent. I remember the game talking about Hercules being able to fit into any class except caster (although I don't see how he'd work as assassin or maybe it was a given).



We're not saying GW is average. Some say he was great with his sword.



Anyone can become a master swordsman, but another condition as a servant must be that the hero must be well known for it to be powerful. GW is somewhat of a famous figure.



There were some articles I read (and the link I provided) that claimed he was renowned for his skill with the sword. But as you said there are articles that don't even mention this fact. The reason is, a lot of the records from the Revolutionary war era were lost. I thought this might actually make it better to make up a background story for Souls, and might be interesting. Also, who knows what shit GW might have done while in his Freemason mode? Also just read that he was the member of the Order of the Garter, and held the position of a knight.



Then Gilgamesh wouldn't make any sense as none of his tales entail him using any ranged weaponry, yet here he is summoned as an archer.

Before getting all technical, I think my biggest issue was that even though GW has named swords that are ceremonial, I thought it would be fine to make an exception. GW is a cool concept, and heroes with named weapons are pretty scarce anyway. Besides we don't know what kind of shit he got into in freemason mode. Although I didn't say it outright, what I was truly getting at is that there is should be some room to work with the heroes we create or they'll be bland as hell, and we'll be running out of viable heroes quite quickly.



I woulda just gone with me being Saber and my noble phantasm being my all penetrating penis. Don't really care to enjoy some other shaft penetrating a hot woman.



I'd bend her over a barrel and show her the 50 states anyday.



Yeah, I wasn't thinking too clearly on him being saber. Now that I think about it he couldn't.

The bunch of other stuff about Shirou didn't touch on the main point of my argument: He doesn't have a proper Noble Phantasm.



It was a sarcastic remark. Sorry for the confusion. What I was trying to say was that the argument didn't make sense. If servants were summoned into their respective classes because of their strongest NP then Gil should always be summoned as Saber because of Ea.



GW might not be as famous and Lincoln may have been badass, but he ain't got nothing on GeeDub. And besides, Lincoln would get his ass owned by assassin.



It was an original done by some artist I can't find anymore (actually went through all 86 pages in the "smoking" tag in gelbooru, which is what I searched to find it years ago, and found nothing :( Sorry bro)

Name: Saint Joan of Arc (also nicknamed: The Maid of Orléans)
Type: Servant Saber
Age: 19
Appearance: http://i54.tinypic.com/2di39jc.jpg
Biography: Saint Joan of Arc, nicknamed The Maid of Orléans is considered a national heroine of France and a Catholic saint. A peasant girl born in eastern France who claimed divine guidance, she led the French army to several important victories during the Hundred Years' War, which paved the way for the coronation of Charles VII. She was captured by the Burgundians, sold to the English, tried by an ecclesiastical court, and burned at the stake when she was 19 years old.

What are you fighting for?: She wanted to meet Saint Michael, Saint Catherine, and Saint Margaret again, just as she did on her vision when she was 12 years old.

Noble Phantasms:

Hymn of Glory
Rank: B+
Type: Anti-Army
Joan's holy sword, it has five crosses upon it, it’s her tool for combat. Releasing a large amount of mana to the tip of the blade, contact with anything will detonate and destroy anything in the area.

Angel’s Frock – Holy Endowment of the Saints
Rank: F~A+++
Type: Support
Holy Empowerment of the Saints: The saints Michael, Catherine, and Margaret grant the holy armor to Joan. When she summons the armor, she enters a divine state increasing her power, magic, agility, healing, and defenses for as long as her mana lasts. Once she is low on Mana, she is left weaker than an average human.

Abilities

Charisma
Rank: A
Natural talent in commanding a large military force. Rank A can be said to be the greatest popular support obtainable as a human being.

Battle Continuation
Rank: A
Does not give up easily. It allows for battle even on the verge of death, and allows the user to stay alive until they receive a clearly fatal blow.

Independent Action
Rank: B
The capacity of Servants to subsist without a Master. She is capable of staying in this world for two days without a Master. Also capable of surviving for a short time after suffering extensive damage to her core.

Magic Resistance
Rank: A
Protection against magical effects. Cancel spells of A-Rank or below. In practice, the Servant is untouchable to modern magi.

Divinity
Rank: D
She is revered as a Saint which has given him a place closer to God.