Ikki Tousen: WTF?
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Btw, I started watching it again last night and there really are GREAT boobs and sexy female fighters in this one....can't wait 'till I get to the chick who arrives by train for the fight tournament (can't remember her name??) but she is basicly a leathal weapon wrapped in a HOT body :wink:
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I watched a couple episodes before I stopped downloading it. Couldn't stand it's bad plot, akin to Tenjou Tenge. I know there's a plot, but it seemed secondary to the fighting and fan service.
Some better if not the best examples of fighting anime: Kenichi, History's Strongest Disciple, Airmaster, Hajime no Ippo.
Some better if not the best examples of fighting anime: Kenichi, History's Strongest Disciple, Airmaster, Hajime no Ippo.
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You're gonna get me started with this again...
The main problem with Ikki Tousen is that the adaptation of Romance of the Three Kingdoms into that type format results in a very esoteric product. Before I watched Ikki Tousen, all I had known was what I read about the Three Kingdoms and the later Han, along with what I gathered from Dynasty Warriors, which Koei took plenty of creative liberties in making.
As far as I'm concerned, the Achilles heel of Ikki Tousen has to be the number of episodes. I mean, its difficult to capture any aspect of a Three Kingdoms related story, no matter how "different" it is, in 13 episodes. I'm not sure exactly how the 13 episode limit affected the staff's approach in the production process, but its obvious that the final product suffered. Despite the fact that the first series or season, whatever, was pretty fucking bad, I enjoyed it. Dragon Destiny, with the development of the characters, a nice twist on the events that occurred in RotTK, and obviously, a greater focus on Kanu, worked out really well. As for Great Guardians, it was an original plot and, in that sense, it had its ups and downs. You can't say it fails based on the story alone, only because its like a tangent.
Obviously, its very difficult to capture the essence of Ikki Tousen overall, seeing as how its been a while since I've watched it and I'm fucking trashed. The thing that's really important is the subtlety. Most people miss a lot of shit and because of that there's a complete lack of depth, but it actually does create an awesome story, even in the beginning. You can't look at the characters as the warriors that they represent. Hakufu is the incarnation of Sun Ce, Ryuubi is Liu Bei, Kanu is Guan Yu, and so on. Where it gets interesting is that they possess their spirits and share their fates, but they're still themselves and because of that they can either accept the fate that's dictated by history, or they can struggle against it. The fact that the majority of the characters are female, but possess the spirits of male warriors actually makes that even more interesting.
Really, what I'm trying to say is that when you watch Ikki Tousen, you have to keep an open mind. Of course there's the fan service and you can't and most likely don't want to avoid it, but its more than violent bitches beating the hell out of each other and getting their clothes ripped off. If you noticed, Chou-un's clothes are never ripped or damaged when she fights. Considering that she's the incarnation of Zhao Yun, who according to some accounts, was never scratched let alone wounded in battle, can kind of jog a little curiosity about the more obscure aspects of the series.
Now, there's no guarantee that I'm completely wrong in what I'm saying because, as I said, I'm drunk, but I'm a fan of Ikki Tousen. People are so ready to attack it and that makes me all the more ready to look at it in depth and shit just to, you know, shut them the fuck up. Its hard to just say to all the haters, "chill the fuck out with all the hating and take a fucking look beyond all the fucking fan service," but that's something I'm working at.
I'm sure some people think I'm fucking nuts for being this into it, but whatever.
The main problem with Ikki Tousen is that the adaptation of Romance of the Three Kingdoms into that type format results in a very esoteric product. Before I watched Ikki Tousen, all I had known was what I read about the Three Kingdoms and the later Han, along with what I gathered from Dynasty Warriors, which Koei took plenty of creative liberties in making.
As far as I'm concerned, the Achilles heel of Ikki Tousen has to be the number of episodes. I mean, its difficult to capture any aspect of a Three Kingdoms related story, no matter how "different" it is, in 13 episodes. I'm not sure exactly how the 13 episode limit affected the staff's approach in the production process, but its obvious that the final product suffered. Despite the fact that the first series or season, whatever, was pretty fucking bad, I enjoyed it. Dragon Destiny, with the development of the characters, a nice twist on the events that occurred in RotTK, and obviously, a greater focus on Kanu, worked out really well. As for Great Guardians, it was an original plot and, in that sense, it had its ups and downs. You can't say it fails based on the story alone, only because its like a tangent.
Obviously, its very difficult to capture the essence of Ikki Tousen overall, seeing as how its been a while since I've watched it and I'm fucking trashed. The thing that's really important is the subtlety. Most people miss a lot of shit and because of that there's a complete lack of depth, but it actually does create an awesome story, even in the beginning. You can't look at the characters as the warriors that they represent. Hakufu is the incarnation of Sun Ce, Ryuubi is Liu Bei, Kanu is Guan Yu, and so on. Where it gets interesting is that they possess their spirits and share their fates, but they're still themselves and because of that they can either accept the fate that's dictated by history, or they can struggle against it. The fact that the majority of the characters are female, but possess the spirits of male warriors actually makes that even more interesting.
Really, what I'm trying to say is that when you watch Ikki Tousen, you have to keep an open mind. Of course there's the fan service and you can't and most likely don't want to avoid it, but its more than violent bitches beating the hell out of each other and getting their clothes ripped off. If you noticed, Chou-un's clothes are never ripped or damaged when she fights. Considering that she's the incarnation of Zhao Yun, who according to some accounts, was never scratched let alone wounded in battle, can kind of jog a little curiosity about the more obscure aspects of the series.
Now, there's no guarantee that I'm completely wrong in what I'm saying because, as I said, I'm drunk, but I'm a fan of Ikki Tousen. People are so ready to attack it and that makes me all the more ready to look at it in depth and shit just to, you know, shut them the fuck up. Its hard to just say to all the haters, "chill the fuck out with all the hating and take a fucking look beyond all the fucking fan service," but that's something I'm working at.
I'm sure some people think I'm fucking nuts for being this into it, but whatever.
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The Jesus wrote...
You're gonna get me started with this again...The main problem with Ikki Tousen is that the adaptation of Romance of the Three Kingdoms into that type format results in a very esoteric product. Before I watched Ikki Tousen, all I had known was what I read about the Three Kingdoms and the later Han, along with what I gathered from Dynasty Warriors, which Koei took plenty of creative liberties in making.
As far as I'm concerned, the Achilles heel of Ikki Tousen has to be the number of episodes. I mean, its difficult to capture any aspect of a Three Kingdoms related story, no matter how "different" it is, in 13 episodes. I'm not sure exactly how the 13 episode limit affected the staff's approach in the production process, but its obvious that the final product suffered. Despite the fact that the first series or season, whatever, was pretty fucking bad, I enjoyed it. Dragon Destiny, with the development of the characters, a nice twist on the events that occurred in RotTK, and obviously, a greater focus on Kanu, worked out really well. As for Great Guardians, it was an original plot and, in that sense, it had its ups and downs. You can't say it fails based on the story alone, only because its like a tangent.
Obviously, its very difficult to capture the essence of Ikki Tousen overall, seeing as how its been a while since I've watched it and I'm fucking trashed. The thing that's really important is the subtlety. Most people miss a lot of shit and because of that there's a complete lack of depth, but it actually does create an awesome story, even in the beginning. You can't look at the characters as the warriors that they represent. Hakufu is the incarnation of Sun Ce, Ryuubi is Liu Bei, Kanu is Guan Yu, and so on. Where it gets interesting is that they possess their spirits and share their fates, but they're still themselves and because of that they can either accept the fate that's dictated by history, or they can struggle against it. The fact that the majority of the characters are female, but possess the spirits of male warriors actually makes that even more interesting.
Really, what I'm trying to say is that when you watch Ikki Tousen, you have to keep an open mind. Of course there's the fan service and you can't and most likely don't want to avoid it, but its more than violent bitches beating the hell out of each other and getting their clothes ripped off. If you noticed, Chou-un's clothes are never ripped or damaged when she fights. Considering that she's the incarnation of Zhao Yun, who according to some accounts, was never scratched let alone wounded in battle, can kind of jog a little curiosity about the more obscure aspects of the series.
Now, there's no guarantee that I'm completely wrong in what I'm saying because, as I said, I'm drunk, but I'm a fan of Ikki Tousen. People are so ready to attack it and that makes me all the more ready to look at it in depth and shit just to, you know, shut them the fuck up. Its hard to just say to all the haters, "chill the fuck out with all the hating and take a fucking look beyond all the fucking fan service," but that's something I'm working at.
I'm sure some people think I'm fucking nuts for being this into it, but whatever.
No, not nuts - open minded and informed.
Even drunk that's a good thumbnail of the basiscs that this anime is based on...not something I knew before watching this series the first time but something that does add to my current viewing experience, thankyou The Jesus
I suppose it still in the long run comes down to enjoyment, some people will enjoy a series on what ever level they are watching it on, and maybe even get some extra insight from it...and others will just not enjoy that same series.
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Nice post The Jesus. I mostly agree with you.
I enjoyed the 1st two seasons of the anime for what they were. Really hard to have a nice storyline with only 13 episodes.
Didn't really notice the subtlety but thanks for pointing out that extra bit of info.
I enjoyed the 1st two seasons of the anime for what they were. Really hard to have a nice storyline with only 13 episodes.
Didn't really notice the subtlety but thanks for pointing out that extra bit of info.
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Maybe because I started watching it during it's second season that threw me off balance. But even so, there are other fighting anime that do a lot better job with the fan service and plot than Ikkitousen. The Romance of the Three Kingdoms should be left in its historical context, not something modernized in my opinion. There's plenty to animate just from its own era, let alone a martial arts ecchi anime circa 2000AD.
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DxTRiNiTYLiMiTxD wrote...
[size=10]what i dont understand are those OVAs i see in Megaporn where the girls are in the hot springs. [/h][/font]
It was just fan service for the viewers to see there favorite girls duking it out in weird ass competition and getting naked just to please are asses.
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I don't mean to bring this topic back from the dead, but I didn't want to be yelled at for creating a topic for an anime with one already.
I have a simple question: Has a DVD been released for Dragon Destiny and/or Great Guardians WITH English subtitles? Do I need to wait for FUNIMATION to license the second and third season, and would they even include the ovas uncensored?
My god, i don't have the patience to tell you guys what info i have gotten from all over the internet, but let me tell you I have no idea what the F**K is up or down anymore.
I have a simple question: Has a DVD been released for Dragon Destiny and/or Great Guardians WITH English subtitles? Do I need to wait for FUNIMATION to license the second and third season, and would they even include the ovas uncensored?
My god, i don't have the patience to tell you guys what info i have gotten from all over the internet, but let me tell you I have no idea what the F**K is up or down anymore.
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I don't think I'm the only one excited about this (ok, just the non-Japanese speaker?):
Of course, I'm not going to get DD until the box set comes out... maybe. I may grow impatient.
Ikki Tousen Dragon Destiny Volume 1: Romance of the Three High Schools
Available: November 23
Available: November 23
Of course, I'm not going to get DD until the box set comes out... maybe. I may grow impatient.
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all they did was put heros incarnated in the bodies of big breasted bimbos
if it werent for the relations and storyline for ROTK
this would be another boring ecchi brawler
and it is
if it werent for the relations and storyline for ROTK
this would be another boring ecchi brawler
and it is
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TheDarkStarAlchemist
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kyosukei wrote...
where can i download ikkitousen manga?Why download it? Read it online like the rest of us.
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Seems up to volume 3 of the DVDs is available for order on BestBuy, though no further descriptions are given so I can't tell how many eps per each, how many volumes are left, and whether or not the OVAs would be included. Still choosing to wait for the full series DVD, but I'd be losing out on the cover art.
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Ikkitousen reminded me of Tenjou Tenge in so many ways: shit plot, mad fanservice, badly developed characters, and screwed up plot advancement. I only like Tenjou Tenge for its sexiness, which I think outdoes Ikkitousen.
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g-money wrote...
Ikkitousen reminded me of Tenjou Tenge in so many ways: shit plot, mad fanservice, badly developed characters, and screwed up plot advancement. I only like Tenjou Tenge for its sexiness, which I think outdoes Ikkitousen.Ikkitousen = panties.
And yuri.
That is all.
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@catfish: that's not much to grab my attention as a series, and there are far better yuri series out there than Ikkitousen. I think its characteristic of a plothole turned me away.
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Kadushy
Douchebag
After watching the first two seasons, I tried watching the 3rd but couldn't. It was too boring IMO. Like the final battle in season 2. I thought the whole school was gonna fight each other but only 6 or something people fought. And THAT was supposed to be devastating?