What about starting a Manga/doujinshi American revolution?
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Never do you hear about a famous American mangaka. Someone should really do something about that. Who you ask? Well, It just so happens that I'm very well adept in the ways of the pen/pencil and paper and my story plots are top-notch. Only set-back is... I have no comrades to share in such a glorious revolt.
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623
FAKKU QA
Two things: This isn't a serious discussion topic and there are plenty of American manga-ka. You just don't know them because no one gives a crap about American manga. The subculture of anime fans is going to care more about authentic Japanese manga. Not some poser American.
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...we call it weeaboos.
Seriously though, people tried the whole "English speaker becomes mangaka" gig back in early 2000s: "rising stars of manga" and Megatokyo and such.
It didn't sell. Fans want real Japanese authors.
Also, clearly you have not seen the fanart community both online or at conventions: it's huge.
Seriously though, people tried the whole "English speaker becomes mangaka" gig back in early 2000s: "rising stars of manga" and Megatokyo and such.
It didn't sell. Fans want real Japanese authors.
Also, clearly you have not seen the fanart community both online or at conventions: it's huge.
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[size=14][color=black][font=Times New Roman]Basically if you want to become a mangaka you're going to need to know how to write in japanese.[/font][/color][/h]
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Wow, tough crowd. Anyways it would just be dubbed as a comic because manga is Japanese in origin. Also saying he's a "weeaboo" doesn't seem fitting because if I remember correctly those are the Western assholes that loiter around the manga section of the book store and have a facade of being some multicultural know-it-all when in reality they are some stupid Americanized fucks. It's fine to have an infatuation for Japan, but there is a point when your ignorance becomes disrespectful.
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623 wrote...
Two things: This isn't a serious discussion topic and there are plenty of American manga-ka. You just don't know them because no one gives a crap about American manga. The subculture of anime fans is going to care more about authentic Japanese manga. Not some poser American. Completely agree, when people get into manga and such, they want legit manga, no american manga has ever been as good as real manga. The story telling and art is never the same, it's just not manga.
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I've read Tokyopop's "American manga" and I've read manhwa.
I know, for me, that it's not a desire for "Japanese only" story telling, if anything, I'm hitting the point in which my overzealous addiction and adherence too has lead me to overindulge in material, to the point that quite often different works have started to run into each other, becoming indistinguishable and appearing rehashed to me. Take the "harem" genre for example, after 50+ titles who's only difference are interchangeable female protagonist appearances, different male hairstyles, and a different school background/uniform, manga like To-Love Ru just doesn't feel the way they used too, I just keep returning to Ken Akumatsu being (one of) my favorite (few others, can't remember their names atm) harem author).
I very much enjoy manhwa, oftentimes more so than manga, when dealing with the same subject matters that manga commonly plays around with. The way the stories are portrayed can be quite different, it just may be that difference in perspective and opinion that I enjoy most ('shoujo manhwa > shoujo manga' for me, for the time being). As well, the artistic approach is really refreshing, to what feels like the static "text book based" art in manga sometimes feels out shined by manhwa artist (Onihime VS, Raiders, Imortal Regis). Leaving me to often time, only ever finding challengers in skill from doujinshi's.
I wish to give credit to Extra Credit for this realization, but I'm not entirely sure if it was them that I got this from. "One of the fascination with Japanese literature/story telling stem from a difference in narrative perspective", and "The similar but foreign nature creates intrigue for what is uncommon to us" (does not apply to everyone). The way a story is told, the focuses, the over arching goal and means to accomplish, is different in comparison to western literature.
To me, American literature for teens (Tokyopop's intended demographic) caters to teens with over dramatization of daily events and having a good "moment in time", a "party every day" mentality (Nickelodeon and Disney channel growing up). This was painfully apparent in American web comics and Tokyopop "American manga" writers, who only appear to be attempting to Westernized Japanese themes with this kind of narrative. The common western perspective is not interesting to me, that's why American manga never did it for me. (Also the art was incredibly underwhelming.)
This is all my own concluded opinion and feelings, a lot of what I think is arguable and may be subject to change in the future. Upon introspection, I may also be extremely bias based. In almost every case I find Japanese and Korean stories suitable to my taste (in animated and interactive formats).
I know, for me, that it's not a desire for "Japanese only" story telling, if anything, I'm hitting the point in which my overzealous addiction and adherence too has lead me to overindulge in material, to the point that quite often different works have started to run into each other, becoming indistinguishable and appearing rehashed to me. Take the "harem" genre for example, after 50+ titles who's only difference are interchangeable female protagonist appearances, different male hairstyles, and a different school background/uniform, manga like To-Love Ru just doesn't feel the way they used too, I just keep returning to Ken Akumatsu being (one of) my favorite (few others, can't remember their names atm) harem author).
I very much enjoy manhwa, oftentimes more so than manga, when dealing with the same subject matters that manga commonly plays around with. The way the stories are portrayed can be quite different, it just may be that difference in perspective and opinion that I enjoy most ('shoujo manhwa > shoujo manga' for me, for the time being). As well, the artistic approach is really refreshing, to what feels like the static "text book based" art in manga sometimes feels out shined by manhwa artist (Onihime VS, Raiders, Imortal Regis). Leaving me to often time, only ever finding challengers in skill from doujinshi's.
I wish to give credit to Extra Credit for this realization, but I'm not entirely sure if it was them that I got this from. "One of the fascination with Japanese literature/story telling stem from a difference in narrative perspective", and "The similar but foreign nature creates intrigue for what is uncommon to us" (does not apply to everyone). The way a story is told, the focuses, the over arching goal and means to accomplish, is different in comparison to western literature.
To me, American literature for teens (Tokyopop's intended demographic) caters to teens with over dramatization of daily events and having a good "moment in time", a "party every day" mentality (Nickelodeon and Disney channel growing up). This was painfully apparent in American web comics and Tokyopop "American manga" writers, who only appear to be attempting to Westernized Japanese themes with this kind of narrative. The common western perspective is not interesting to me, that's why American manga never did it for me. (Also the art was incredibly underwhelming.)
This is all my own concluded opinion and feelings, a lot of what I think is arguable and may be subject to change in the future. Upon introspection, I may also be extremely bias based. In almost every case I find Japanese and Korean stories suitable to my taste (in animated and interactive formats).
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Kuraido Uchizame wrote...
Well, It just so happens that I'm very well adept in the ways of the pen/pencil and paper and my story plots are top-notch.LOL.. That's a huge claim with no examples of your work.
As for your concerns:
If it appears on those online manga reader sites (i.e. mangafox, mangahere, etc), then you'll probably get more people like you who reads them. Unfortunately, that's not the case and you only see these 'American mangas' posted on deviantart (e.g. shilin.deviantart.com), which only appeal to the 'art enthusiasts', which are a dime in a dozen, really- aka, little to no exposure. Look up Mark Crilley, he has published mangas in America and is pretty fluent in Japanese/lived in Japan, but he doesn't even consider himself a 'mangaka'. I have a feeling your perception of a 'mangaka' are the people who make Naruto, OP, Bleach. Trust me, there are millions of 'mangakas' out there but you probably only know 20 of them at best. Maybe it's just that no American mangaka has a good enough story and has gained enough of a following to become 'famous'.
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FinalBoss
#levelupyourgrind
It doesn't matter to me where the artist is from, just as long as the material he/she produces is good. With that said, I have yet to hear from a good western artist that can do traditional japanese/korean manga/manwa justice. I'll never understand why. I mean western movies are good, yet when it comes to comics, they're inferior to manga.
