Anyone frustrated with Fakku nowadays?

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will2power wrote...
I have to say that I'm not really happy with FAKKU selling stories one chapter at a time for the same price that they used to sell full books for. I made that mistake once thinking I was getting the whole story only to get a chapter of it. I won't purchase it again at those prices. A story with five chapters and an epilogue ends up costing you $60 dollars, and I consider that highway robbery. I consider these stories in the same class as a graphic novel, and I'm prepared to pay graphic novel prices but no way am I gonna pay 60 dollars for a full story.


I understand what you are saying. This is actually a misconception that some users have.

Our books are not priced out per chapter. The 'purchase' button you see on each chapter always relates to the overall book which is only $9.95 typically. When you click on that button, you will see that it says "Purchase Bullied ~Revenge Hypnosis~" for example, rather than the name of the chapter you are looking at. This is because the 'purchase' is for the overall book, and not the chapter.

You get every single chapter of a book for only $9.95. When you purchase the book, all of those purchase buttons disappear on the chapters.

This is obviously a confusion caused on our part due to our UI or lack of explaining it better. So for that I'm sorry. We will work to address this so that it's easier to understand for users.

Again, our books are not priced per-chapter. The 'purchase' UI elements you see on a chapter pertain to the overall book they're from, not the individual chapter.

Hope that clarifies things.
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Drifter995 Neko//Night
Kisuka wrote...
will2power wrote...
I have to say that I'm not really happy with FAKKU selling stories one chapter at a time for the same price that they used to sell full books for. I made that mistake once thinking I was getting the whole story only to get a chapter of it. I won't purchase it again at those prices. A story with five chapters and an epilogue ends up costing you $60 dollars, and I consider that highway robbery. I consider these stories in the same class as a graphic novel, and I'm prepared to pay graphic novel prices but no way am I gonna pay 60 dollars for a full story.


I understand what you are saying. This is actually a misconception that some users have.

Our books are not priced out per chapter. The 'purchase' button you see on each chapter always relates to the overall book which is only $9.95 typically. When you click on that button, you will see that it says "Purchase Bullied ~Revenge Hypnosis~" for example, rather than the name of the chapter you are looking at. This is because the 'purchase' is for the overall book, and not the chapter.

You get every single chapter of a book for only $9.95. When you purchase the book, all of those purchase buttons disappear on the chapters.

This is obviously a confusion caused on our part due to our UI or lack of explaining it better. So for that I'm sorry. We will work to address this so that it's easier to understand for users.

Again, our books are not priced per-chapter. The 'purchase' UI elements you see on a chapter pertain to the overall book they're from, not the individual chapter.

Hope that clarifies things.


That makes sense. Though, oddly enough, I've never thought it myself. Assumed it was just buying the digital copy, and you'd unlock all chapters.
Probably because I've bought books before, and gotten the digital chapters all with it as well
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Gravity cat the adequately amused
Kisuka wrote...
will2power wrote...
I have to say that I'm not really happy with FAKKU selling stories one chapter at a time for the same price that they used to sell full books for. I made that mistake once thinking I was getting the whole story only to get a chapter of it. I won't purchase it again at those prices. A story with five chapters and an epilogue ends up costing you $60 dollars, and I consider that highway robbery. I consider these stories in the same class as a graphic novel, and I'm prepared to pay graphic novel prices but no way am I gonna pay 60 dollars for a full story.


I understand what you are saying. This is actually a misconception that some users have.

Our books are not priced out per chapter. The 'purchase' button you see on each chapter always relates to the overall book which is only $9.95 typically. When you click on that button, you will see that it says "Purchase Bullied ~Revenge Hypnosis~" for example, rather than the name of the chapter you are looking at. This is because the 'purchase' is for the overall book, and not the chapter.

You get every single chapter of a book for only $9.95. When you purchase the book, all of those purchase buttons disappear on the chapters.

This is obviously a confusion caused on our part due to our UI or lack of explaining it better. So for that I'm sorry. We will work to address this so that it's easier to understand for users.

Again, our books are not priced per-chapter. The 'purchase' UI elements you see on a chapter pertain to the overall book they're from, not the individual chapter.

Hope that clarifies things.


I had a feeling this was the case. I've never purchased a book based on a particular chapter but just assumed this was how it went. Been curious about that.
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623 wrote...
will2power wrote...
I have to say that I'm not really happy with FAKKU selling stories one chapter at a time for the same price that they used to sell full books for. I made that mistake once thinking I was getting the whole story only to get a chapter of it. I won't purchase it again at those prices. A story with five chapters and an epilogue ends up costing you $60 dollars, and I consider that highway robbery. I consider these stories in the same class as a graphic novel, and I'm prepared to pay graphic novel prices but no way am I gonna pay 60 dollars for a full story.

What cost $60?

I was not actually referring to Bullied Revenge Hypnosis. I was referring to a Tales of a Harem from another World by Tachibana Omina. I paid 9.99 for part of the story which was only 49 pages. Compare that with Renai Sample which was 216 pages at the same price, or PuniKano at 228 pages. Labeling made it so they could basically sell you part of the story as a whole volume and I'm not really down with that. When I found out that I wasn't going to get the whole thing when I purchased it, then I essentially stopped purchasing volumes. When they first started, if you Purchased a book and all the chapters weren't out, you'd get them as they came out. The way they did Tales was not cool.
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animefreak_usa Child of Samael
will2power wrote...
623 wrote...
will2power wrote...
I have to say that I'm not really happy with FAKKU selling stories one chapter at a time for the same price that they used to sell full books for. I made that mistake once thinking I was getting the whole story only to get a chapter of it. I won't purchase it again at those prices. A story with five chapters and an epilogue ends up costing you $60 dollars, and I consider that highway robbery. I consider these stories in the same class as a graphic novel, and I'm prepared to pay graphic novel prices but no way am I gonna pay 60 dollars for a full story.

What cost $60?

I was not actually referring to Bullied Revenge Hypnosis. I was referring to a Tales of a Harem from another World by Tachibana Omina. I paid 9.99 for part of the story which was only 49 pages. Compare that with Renai Sample which was 216 pages at the same price, or PuniKano at 228 pages. Labeling made it so they could basically sell you part of the story as a whole volume and I'm not really down with that. When I found out that I wasn't going to get the whole thing when I purchased it, then I essentially stopped purchasing volumes. When they first started, if you Purchased a book and all the chapters weren't out, you'd get them as they came out. The way they did Tales was not cool.


That's a doujin. Those are literally different then whole books aka tankobon. That's how they are sold in japan... for like 40 years. Non commercial comics like an American comic would be here. There was no whole book in the first place... some time they do make a gn but not yet.... or really often.
https://www.doujinshi.org/search/simple/?T=objects&sn=Isekai+Harem+Monogatari
That what doujins are. Basically chapter in a book form like x-men # 21 or those old hentai weeklies from ironcat. OVA for the manga world.

Also not a fakku book or ip. Publisher is Irodori. They use our store to sell their stuff.
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623 FAKKU QA
will2power wrote...
623 wrote...
will2power wrote...
I have to say that I'm not really happy with FAKKU selling stories one chapter at a time for the same price that they used to sell full books for. I made that mistake once thinking I was getting the whole story only to get a chapter of it. I won't purchase it again at those prices. A story with five chapters and an epilogue ends up costing you $60 dollars, and I consider that highway robbery. I consider these stories in the same class as a graphic novel, and I'm prepared to pay graphic novel prices but no way am I gonna pay 60 dollars for a full story.

What cost $60?

I was not actually referring to Bullied Revenge Hypnosis. I was referring to a Tales of a Harem from another World by Tachibana Omina. I paid 9.99 for part of the story which was only 49 pages. Compare that with Renai Sample which was 216 pages at the same price, or PuniKano at 228 pages. Labeling made it so they could basically sell you part of the story as a whole volume and I'm not really down with that. When I found out that I wasn't going to get the whole thing when I purchased it, then I essentially stopped purchasing volumes. When they first started, if you Purchased a book and all the chapters weren't out, you'd get them as they came out. The way they did Tales was not cool.

Tales of a Harem from another World is a doujinshi. Which was published by Irodori and we're just distributing on our store for them. If you click on any chapter, it will tell you who the publisher is, including if it's Fakku.

Edit: Also, like animefreak said, a doujinshi is just a one-off comic that's self-published. In this case, Tachibana Omina apparently decided to make a series out of their doujinshi. But I suppose it's not too uncommon seeing as Aiue Oka also has a series called Hypnotic Sexual Counseling with many different works in the series.
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623 wrote...

Tales of a Harem from another World is a doujinshi. Which was published by Irodori and we're just distributing on our store for them. If you click on any chapter, it will tell you who the publisher is, including if it's Fakku.

Edit: Also, like animefreak said, a doujinshi is just a one-off comic that's self-published. In this case, Tachibana Omina apparently decided to make a series out of their doujinshi. But I suppose it's not too uncommon seeing as Aiue Oka also has a series called Hypnotic Sexual Counseling with many different works in the series.


That's all well and good, but has nothing to do with my dissatisfaction. You're passing a 49 page story off as having the same value to me as a consumer, as a 228 page story. It does not. This has nothing to do with what they author did, it has to do with what FAKKU did. Single or double chapter stories do not have the same value as a collected set of works but it was passed off at the same price as a collection. That's not cool, and I won't pay for it again. That is my frustration.
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As a paid service? No problemos so far.
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YQII FAKKU Translator
will2power wrote...
You're passing a 49 page story off as having the same value to me as a consumer, as a 228 page story. It does not.

You have every right to feel that way, and I understand if you don't want to buy any more doujinshi releases in the future.

However, what people have been trying to explain is that this is something that comes with the nature of doujinshi. For example, Comic Kairakuten is sold in Japan for about 400 yen at almost as many pages, whereas your typical doujin is only 20-30 pages but still sells for an average of 700 yen. That's nearly twice the price for not even a tenth of the content. For reference, you average book (210-230 pages) sells for 1,000-1,200 yen.

This has to do with the way each product is manufactured. Commercial manga (books and magazines) are mass-produced by major publishers and sell millions of copies. Doujinshi are self published by hobbyists and sold at local conventions at very limited print runs (a few hundred to thousands depending on the artists). A doujinshi will never rival the value of a commercial release, but the reason people still buy them is because it's the most direct way to support the artist. That said, most artists still only break even in the end, given the costs associated with self publishing.

So to sum it up, doujinshi releases will always cost more, while commercial releases (books and the subscription, here on FAKKU) will give you more bang for your buck. That said, if you want to directly support your favorite artists (rather than the industry as a whole), you have the option to do so through doujinsh releases.
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Drifter995 Neko//Night
YQII wrote...
will2power wrote...
You're passing a 49 page story off as having the same value to me as a consumer, as a 228 page story. It does not.

You have every right to feel that way, and I understand if you don't want to buy any more doujinshi releases in the future.

However, what people have been trying to explain is that this is something that comes with the nature of doujinshi. For example, Comic Kairakuten is sold in Japan for about 400 yen at almost as many pages, whereas your typical doujin is only 20-30 pages but still sells for an average of 700 yen. That's nearly twice the price for not even a tenth of the content. For reference, you average book (210-230 pages) sells for 1,000-1,200 yen.

This has to do with the way each product is manufactured. Commercial manga (books and magazines) are mass-produced by major publishers and sell millions of copies. Doujinshi are self published by hobbyists and sold at local conventions at very limited print runs (a few hundred to thousands depending on the artists). A doujinshi will never rival the value of a commercial release, but the reason people still buy them is because it's the most direct way to support the artist. That said, most artists still only break even in the end, given the costs associated with self publishing.

So to sum it up, doujinshi releases will always cost more, while commercial releases (books and the subscription, here on FAKKU) will give you more bang for your buck. That said, if you want to directly support your favorite artists (rather than the industry as a whole), you have the option to do so through doujinsh releases.


When you put it that way, it's a really good system here
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Taz_9000 Cafe Regular
will2power wrote...
623 wrote...

Tales of a Harem from another World is a doujinshi. Which was published by Irodori and we're just distributing on our store for them. If you click on any chapter, it will tell you who the publisher is, including if it's Fakku.

Edit: Also, like animefreak said, a doujinshi is just a one-off comic that's self-published. In this case, Tachibana Omina apparently decided to make a series out of their doujinshi. But I suppose it's not too uncommon seeing as Aiue Oka also has a series called Hypnotic Sexual Counseling with many different works in the series.


That's all well and good, but has nothing to do with my dissatisfaction. You're passing a 49 page story off as having the same value to me as a consumer, as a 228 page story. It does not. This has nothing to do with what they author did, it has to do with what FAKKU did. Single or double chapter stories do not have the same value as a collected set of works but it was passed off at the same price as a collection. That's not cool, and I won't pay for it again. That is my frustration.


but FAKKU do not set the price for these
if you read what he said
these are published by someone else and FAKKU is letting them sell on their store

so the price is set by the publisher and not FAKKU, FAKKU just takes a cut
it is the same as people who sell on ebay and amazon
the seller sets the price and amazon and ebay take a fee
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BloodKage Hikage's Lolipop
will2power wrote...
That's all well and good, but has nothing to do with my dissatisfaction. You're passing a 49 page story off as having the same value to me as a consumer, as a 228 page story. It does not. This has nothing to do with what they author did, it has to do with what FAKKU did. Single or double chapter stories do not have the same value as a collected set of works but it was passed off at the same price as a collection. That's not cool, and I won't pay for it again. That is my frustration.


I don't normally reply as I am more lurker than anything else but as there is a lack of understanding here I figured I'd chime in.

As other's have said here before, FAKKU did not set the price nor pass it off as the same value. Value is also very subjective. Whereas I see value in being able to read, LEGALLY, doujinshi that supports the original authors, you don't. You only see it as being ripped off because you only look at the small picture.

To preface this part I want to make it clear that I have over 16 years of exp working in the manufacturing and printing industries. My previous job, Printing/Manufacturing Manager, required me to know how much it cost things to be produced, from start to finish, and to figure out the best/most efficient way to accomplish this. So I would highly suggest that before you go off on the pricing of items, that you learn and understand how and why things get priced the way they do. This will help you see more value in things that you think are rip offs. In simple terms, smaller amounts tend to be priced more because it costs more to PRODUCE the smaller amount. Whereas larger amounts tend to be priced lower because it costs much less to PRODUCE larger amounts or runs. This is simple manufacturing. Example, 1 key-chain that takes two minutes to manufacture, costs $0.50, not including cost of packaging and shipping which would make it more, because of the time and payroll hours needed to make said single key-chain, to take it off machine, package it, reset the system, and then begin the process anew to start making 1 more key-chain. If you made 100 key-chains this way it would end up taking you 3.33 hours to make and cost you minimum $100 to produce and in turn costs your consumers more to make up for your costs. Now if you make 100 key-chains at the same time it becomes about $0.05 per key-chain because now instead of taking over three hours to make, your manufacturing time drops by over half to about 1 hour. So 100 key-chains now cost you around $5 to make. Which you can then pass the discount onto your consumers.

You can find this in the difference between a regular grocery store and Costco. Costco always costs less because you are buying in bulk but at a grocery store it costs more because you are often only buying smaller packages of an item. Think of buying a FAKKU book as buying in bulk and buying a doujinshi as buying singular.

In the end it is your choice to purchase a doujin again or not. But please try to understand why pricing is the way it is. As well as whom is setting the prices. Blaming FAKKU, a third party, is like blaming Gamestop for selling a new game at MSRP instead of cost. It's pretty redundant.

*DISCLAIMER: I am not affiliated or linked to FAKKU, LLC in anyway.* *hint hint coughfakkucough wink wink*
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Yeah, I'm frustrated with Fakku's policy on pre-orders. It doesn't really make sense. The resentment of what happened to me regarding a rejected refund on a pre-order even had me lashing out at every minor thing that I've been frustrated about in fakku.

I'm starting to get over it now that it has been addressed but damn. Every other complaint I made about fakku after my refund was shot down, rejected, and downvoted fast. Shows how much power the majority vanilla lovers have on this site.
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Drifter995 Neko//Night
G0dricKiln wrote...
Yeah, I'm frustrated with Fakku's policy on pre-orders. It doesn't really make sense. The resentment of what happened to me regarding a rejected refund on a pre-order even had me lashing out at every minor thing that I've been frustrated about in fakku.

I'm starting to get over it now that it has been addressed but damn. Every other complaint I made about fakku after my refund was shot down, rejected, and downvoted fast. Shows how much power the majority vanilla lovers have on this site.


OR, if you're bitching about vanilla being the best selling content; it shows that vanilla is the best selling content, and gets the most content in magazines and doujins, vs the others.
Obviously because vanilla is the biggest market, and will never not be the biggest market
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G0dricKiln wrote...
Yeah, I'm frustrated with Fakku's policy on pre-orders. It doesn't really make sense. The resentment of what happened to me regarding a rejected refund on a pre-order even had me lashing out at every minor thing that I've been frustrated about in fakku.

I'm starting to get over it now that it has been addressed but damn. Every other complaint I made about fakku after my refund was shot down, rejected, and downvoted fast. Shows how much power the majority vanilla lovers have on this site.


That mayby has to do with how you form your complaints?

"Shows how much power the majority of the vanilla lovers have on this site"

Word things differently? I hardly get offended but the way you said this does annoy me greatly.
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