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[Locked] Futanari and futa-on-female shouldn't be tagged yuri.
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Waar wrote...
zade wrote...
Waar wrote...
zade wrote...
Kaimax wrote...
It's still a girl on a girl action, so it's still Yuri.Yuri and Yaoi isn't about what "genitals" that you use, but the gender itself.
A futanari is still a girl despite a new extra genital.
Technically, it's ambiguous, there is no definition or authority to back your assertions.
Waar wrote...
That is how we currently do things... The first link was tagged as Futa and Yuri, can't be any confusion there so people wont accidentally run into it. Just have to read all the tags before you look for fap material.So all Futa is Yuri? I find that somewhat ridiculous, but w/e. If your going to work it that way you should define it as such in the tag descriptions. Also, this is also going to make manga with both "Futa-Yuri" and "girl-Yuri" indistinguishable from solely Futa manga.
The doujins in question are considered Futa and Yuri.
As a side note, Kaimax does have authority "backing his assertions". Did the part about him being a member of our staff escape you?
Ohh? I wasn't aware that Fakku had become the undisputed authority for defining words. So when did you guys decide to enter the dictionary industry? Just because Fakku has decided to define pure Futa as Yuri does not make it a set standard. Fakku isn't the center of the universe and your not infallible or omniscient. Anyway, good luck on gathering international recognition for your linguistic ventures.
All kidding aside though, as far as I know, Fakku is the minority among hentai cites to define purely Futa material as Yuri.
We're not, but we do get to decide what it means on our site. I thought the goal of this thread was to get something changed on Fakku, so the people you want to convince are the staff here. Kaimax is part of that authoritative group that has a say in what the word means here, so don't claim he has no authority. Why does what other sites do matter? The piece of work has girl on girl and a girl with a penis, so both things are tagged, if you dont like futa or yuri don't read it.
Sure Kaimax can be an authority here on Fakku. However, he didn't use any descriptor to imply that what he was saying applied only here. And the goal was to get the tagging system changed, but you said no. So I basically changed my recommendation to "put "Even manga with solely Futanari content is considered Yuri"" into the Yuri tag description. Right here: https://www.fakku.net/manga/tags/yuri perhaps bold it. Then people will be less likely to become annoyed, since they would probably see that there might not be any of what they consider Yuri in manga tagged with both Yuri and Futa.
Or just add these tags:
guy-guy
guy-futa
futa-futa
girl-futa
girl-girl
Then it wouldn't matter because I could effectively find what I'm looking for while excluding what I'm not. Of course since you believe futas=girls you can replace "girl" with w/e you see fit (good luck with that).
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Waar wrote...
[...] Seems like you missed my point, [...]it was hard to find when you repeatedly used the uncountable form of 'authority'.
Waar wrote...
[...]try not to take things soo personally shag.this is exactly what i was talking about. how was i taking it personal?
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Waar wrote...
But kaimax is an authority on the subject matter here on Fakku. What he said is how Jacob feels and that's what the user is trying to change. Kaimax wasnt speaking for the hentai community as a whole but for Fakku. Seems like you missed my point, try not to take things soo personally shag.Uh, seems like you missed the point again. I'm pretty sure he used authority in the sense of reliable source of information, not on the other meaning.
Of course the staff have authority on what is done on the site, but that has nothing to do with the point he made.
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Isn't the point of this thread not to debate the meaning of the word but to have something changed on fakku? If that changed suddenly then you should move the debate to SD or Random. We took your feedback but we wont be adding new tags at the moment. I don't know how to be more clear about that.
Shag you end your points with insults or inflammatory comments, but you often post in this section as if you want actual changes. Do you think your words lend aid to your causes? Might want to dial down angst ridden kid routine if you want things to change on Fakku.
Shag you end your points with insults or inflammatory comments, but you often post in this section as if you want actual changes. Do you think your words lend aid to your causes? Might want to dial down angst ridden kid routine if you want things to change on Fakku.
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Waar wrote...
Isn't the point of this thread not to debate the meaning of the word but to have something changed on fakku?Yes, it is. Twice I suggested you rewrite your description of Yuri to prevent disappointment/annoyance and got no response.
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Waar wrote...
Isn't the point of this thread not to debate the meaning of the word but to have something changed on fakku? If that changed suddenly then you should move the debate to SD or Random. We took your feedback but we wont be adding new tags at the moment. I don't know how to be more clear about that. It is, but you were not replying to the topic in general, but to a single point when you said this:
As a side note, Kaimax does have authority "backing his assertions". Did the part about him being a member of our staff escape you?
And this has nothing to do about the general matter of the topic, just a single reply in it, and it was the point I was making in saying you did indeed miss the point and not the other way around.
It would have made sense if you were talking about the topic in general and didn't quote anything or mentioned someone's post, but you weren't.
Again, I'm not saying you said anything wrong (and this applies to the following replies on the same subject as well), but you're really missing the point in saying it replying to that in specific, because it just doesn't make sense.
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Protip:
Don't want futa in your yuri? Just search "yuri -futa"
That damn simple.
(Really, minus rep for a useful suggestion to help you avoid things while a long term solution is made? Surely there is someone more deserving of your once daily plus rep than wasting it on minusing me.)
Don't want futa in your yuri? Just search "yuri -futa"
That damn simple.
(Really, minus rep for a useful suggestion to help you avoid things while a long term solution is made? Surely there is someone more deserving of your once daily plus rep than wasting it on minusing me.)
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gizgal wrote...
Protip:Don't want futa in your yuri? Just search "yuri -futa"
That damn simple.
I guess the point is that you can't know when its girl on futa or futa on futa because both can be tagged the same.
I don't think the tagging is wrong for the reason I already mentioned (the story tends to say if the character is a girl or not, so it doesn't have the ambiguous problem), but the suggested tags on page 1 would solve this of futa-futa and futa-girl problem.
I don't agree with it "not being yuri" though, it is, you just can't know what kind because of the issue above.
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42 wrote...
gizgal wrote...
Protip:Don't want futa in your yuri? Just search "yuri -futa"
That damn simple.
I guess the point is that you can't know when its girl on futa or futa on futa because both can be tagged the same.
I don't think the tagging is wrong for the reason I already mentioned (the story tends to say if the character is a girl or not, so it doesn't have the ambiguous problem), but the suggested tags on page 1 would solve this of futa-futa and futa-girl problem.
I don't agree with it "not being yuri" though, it is, you just can't know what kind because of the issue above.
Hmm, I do see your point: people might become psyched for a manga then go to its mainpage to see a tag they don't want.
Maybe popup hover text could be implemented on mouseovers on pages that can't fit all a manga preview's tags?
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Not for the same reasons, but I do have to agree that tagging doujins with both "Futa" and "Yuri" tags is something that should be discontinued.
Reason?
Redundant.
At least 80% of the futa doujins have the futagirls banging either regular girls or other futagirls.
Rare are the cases where they're with men.
One can assume that any Futa doujin is gonna be Yuri by default. If people wish to find one where it's Futa with male, the "Femdom" tag could be used.
Ergo:
Anything with futas = Futanari
Girl + Girl = Yuri
Futa + Guy = Futanari, Femdom
That should keep everything pretty well tagged, and cut down on the whining.
Reason?
Redundant.
At least 80% of the futa doujins have the futagirls banging either regular girls or other futagirls.
Rare are the cases where they're with men.
One can assume that any Futa doujin is gonna be Yuri by default. If people wish to find one where it's Futa with male, the "Femdom" tag could be used.
Ergo:
Anything with futas = Futanari
Girl + Girl = Yuri
Futa + Guy = Futanari, Femdom
That should keep everything pretty well tagged, and cut down on the whining.
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
zade wrote...
Waar wrote...
Isn't the point of this thread not to debate the meaning of the word but to have something changed on fakku?Yes, it is. Twice I suggested you rewrite your description of Yuri to prevent disappointment/annoyance and got no response.
Right... and? Kaimax responded and then I did, neither of us agreed with you. That should be the end of it.
42 wrote...
Waar wrote...
Isn't the point of this thread not to debate the meaning of the word but to have something changed on fakku? If that changed suddenly then you should move the debate to SD or Random. We took your feedback but we wont be adding new tags at the moment. I don't know how to be more clear about that. It is, but you were not replying to the topic in general, but to a single point when you said this:
As a side note, Kaimax does have authority "backing his assertions". Did the part about him being a member of our staff escape you?
And this has nothing to do about the general matter of the topic, just a single reply in it, and it was the point I was making in saying you did indeed miss the point and not the other way around.
It would have made sense if you were talking about the topic in general and didn't quote anything or mentioned someone's post, but you weren't.
Again, I'm not saying you said anything wrong (and this applies to the following replies on the same subject as well), but you're really missing the point in saying it replying to that in specific, because it just doesn't make sense.
I also replied to the topic in general in that very post and the one made previously but someone took offense when I said Kaimax had authority on the matter. I don't understand, am I not allowed to pull out points when I see fault in them? Someone maintains Kaimax isn't an authority on the subject and I say he is where it matters. I understand what you're saying but my point supersedes any other because we're on this website where the changed are being debated.
PumpJack McGee wrote...
Redundant.I don't see the issue, if 80% have it that means 20% doesn't so for the 20% that doesn't why not keep it the way it is? Having 2 tags rather than 1 changes nothing. There is a positive as gizgal said, what if I want to look at yuri without futanari or what if I'm into futa on male action? Having both tags allow people the search and omit some results while narrowing down the tags changing the system may result in people seeing things they may not what to see(which is partly the point of tags).
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I also replied to the topic in general in that very post and the one made previously but someone took offense when I said Kaimax had authority on the matter. I don't understand, am I not allowed to pull out points when I see fault in them? Someone maintains Kaimax isn't an authority on the subject and I say he is where it matters. I understand what you're saying but my point supersedes any other because we're on this website where the changed are being debated.
They took offense because you missed the point (and I'm not saying you shouldn't pull out points, I'm saying you missed it, although you keep saying you didn't, and that's why I insist in this).
He said he is not an authority in word definition, not on the site. And your reply was merely saying he is an authority on the site, it doesn't make sense. It would have made if you said "he's not authority in word definition but he is on the site", but that's quite off from what you actually said, so I don't think the problem was poor choice of words.
If you really understand what I'm saying, then why you insist you did not miss the point?
But whatever, we're just gonna keep repeating ourselves over a minor thing like this, just forget it.
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
I'm saying I changed the point to what matters here, I was not correcting him(you're wrong he is an authority on the matter) I was countering his point that what Kaimax said had no value because it wasn't a dictionary definition of the word. As far as this matter goes Kaimax has authority. Regardless of what his point was, he is someone who decides what the word means here.
I'm repeating myself because you're repeating yourself.
I'm repeating myself because you're repeating yourself.
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Waar wrote...
Shag you end your points with insults or inflammatory comments, but you often post in this section as if you want actual changes. Do you think your words lend aid to your causes? Might want to dial down angst ridden kid routine if you want things to change on Fakku. Drawing attention to a mistake is not always intended as an insult. there is such a thing as constructive criticism. i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings, but i felt that you're repeated failure (or possible refusal) to grasp what was being said required a blunt approach.
While in this instance i did indeed make statements directed at you, any time someone questions the way things are done on this site, you seem to take it as a personal attack and your cartman complex kicks in. the repeated reply, 'that's the way it is because we are in charge', comes off as rude and dismissve. this is what irks people.
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Kaimax wrote...
A futanari is still a girl despite a new extra genital.i disagree and the literal translation of 'futanari' supports this in that it specifies neither gender. as i said before, i can see the reasoning behind adding yuri or yaoi if not all parties are futa. however, if all parties involved are futa, it should not have a yuri tag.
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Waar wrote...
Shag you end your points with insults or inflammatory comments, but you often post in this section as if you want actual changes. Do you think your words lend aid to your causes? Might want to dial down angst ridden kid routine if you want things to change on Fakku. Drawing attention to a mistake is not always intended as an insult. there is such a thing as constructive criticism. i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings, but i felt that you're repeated failure (or possible refusal) to grasp what was being said required a blunt approach.
While in this instance i did indeed make statements directed at you, any time someone questions the way things are done on this site, you seem to take it as a personal attack and your cartman complex kicks in. the repeated reply, 'that's the way it is because we are in charge', comes off as rude and dismissve. this is what irks people.
Constructive criticism, oh boy.
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
you miss the point like it's your job.How is that in any way constructive criticism?
What makes you think I take them as personal attacks? I respond with factual statements indicating why things are the way they are. Often the reasoning is not to your liking, tough shit. I also haven't asked you why I irk people so why try to explain it? I know people don't like what I say, that won't stop me from saying it. I'm just telling you not to end your points with insults unless you seek to undermine your goals and the goals of others.
Where did you get the impression I was asking you for advice or to explain something in my last post?
Like it or not you have to deal with me and if you really do want something to change here on Fakku the way you're going about it is all wrong. I'm not telling you to get on your knees or stop thinking the way you think, but coming here asking for things to change while lacing every sentence you type with poison wont net you much gain.
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Waar wrote...
I'm saying I changed the point to what matters here, I was not correcting him(you're wrong he is an authority on the matter) I was countering his point that what Kaimax said had no value because it wasn't a dictionary definition of the word. As far as this matter goes Kaimax has authority. Regardless of what his point was, he is someone who decides what the word means here.I'm repeating myself because you're repeating yourself.
Its funny how you just can't understand it.
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Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Kaimax wrote...
A futanari is still a girl despite a new extra genital.i disagree and the literal translation of 'futanari' supports this in that it specifies neither gender. as i said before, i can see the reasoning behind adding yuri or yaoi if not all parties are futa. however, if all parties involved are futa, it should not have a yuri tag.
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Waar wrote...
Right... and?No one could be expected to read your definition
Yuri (百åˆ) is a genre involving love between women in manga and anime. Yuri can focus either on the sexual, the spiritual, or the emotional aspects of the relationship, the latter two sometimes being called shÅjo-ai. Manga with the yuri tag will contain relationships exclusively between women.
and know Fakku defines Futa as Yuri. If you go against convention, you should tell people.
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Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Kaimax wrote...
A futanari is still a girl despite a new extra genital.i disagree and the literal translation of 'futanari' supports this in that it specifies neither gender. as i said before, i can see the reasoning behind adding yuri or yaoi if not all parties are futa. however, if all parties involved are futa, it should not have a yuri tag.
You know this topic is about the futa-on-female situation...
A yuri tag still applies...