Suggestion for Reps

Currently, the rep system has been given a lot of attention. Requests for rep logs and various other ideas. Though most were dropped due to practicality issues. A suggestion I would like to make is for people who reach a certain rep to be allowed to give themselves custom titles below their "ranks". A general idea of how it would look is

Username Jacob
"Rank" Fakku Admin
Custom Title Lord of FAKKUDOM
ETC

I know this idea was used in the past but, it was removed for some reason. With this idea it gives a little meaning behind rep besides it being our E-penis. While not much, it is a step towards Jacob's idea of rep actually accounting for something more on the forums.

Though I don't know of a set number of rep that should be required. Though the number should be achievable for people who don't have hard drive full of uploads for the site. Maybe somewhere between 20 and 50 would be a good start. Anybody can achieve 20 if they work a little. If you raise the number you make it increasingly more difficult for those who can't/don't upload to achieve this. So somewhere between 20 and 50 sounds about right. It can always been changed later if it's too easy or too difficult.

There are already a few supporters of the idea namely DxTRiNiTYLiMiTxD, ShaggyJebus, theotaku, animeholic1 and G-money.

I back this idea 100%. It's a fun way to make rep account for something on Fakku. It may even drive a few people to upload more stuff which is good for Fakku. I hope this idea gets implemented.

me too! :3
it sounds like a great idea, awesome and pretty fun!
its a way where people with high rep are able to show off
a little 'added extra' for having a specific amount of rep.
[size=1]Ooooh!~ i sees me name! ^^ [/h]

Just corroborating with FPOD's use of me as witness.

You know what I'm writing down... Bondage-lover.

I concur with this. I think it's an excellent idea if one wants to differentiate or individualize oneself from the crowd, not that elite or elder is bad. But one good thing I think, if they choose their self title it should be permanent, so make it count. And an option to go back and forth between their elite and or elder title. Just a suggestion. :3
20 to 50 eh? I've got some work to do. :shock:

Same here.

I have no idea what handle I would want. Maybe Rapeman.

Yes, I like it. "Righting wrongs through penetration."

I agree with Otaku about the self title,what you name yourself as you will remain as,and great idea FPOD.

I support this idea, custom titles are always fun.

Here is my breakdown on the entire issue. Let me start off with the benefits.

The "good":
- Having a custom title will definitely give a member a greater sense of identity within the community.
- It could spur some members to contribute to Fakku, be it in terms of uploads, creative ideas or original threads with plenty of room for discussion.
- More use for the reputation system.

The "bad":
- Having a username, avatar and signature should be sufficient for anyone to identify a particular member.
- Members may "contribute" to Fakku, simply to achieve their objective of obtaining a higher reputation. When their goal has been reached, these members may stop whatever they have been doing. I have never approved of such actions since contribution, like post counts, should be made with sincerity.
- Increase in the number of complaints. Members may place far too much emphasis on their individual reputation points. When they get de-repped, they may start questioning the loss in points, once again, bringing up the issue of a reputation log and other related topics.
- The entire idea generally favours those who already have a significant number of reputation points, which I believe is unfair to new members. True enough, all of us had to work our way up, but the mentality of elitism within Fakku could eventually develop.
- Assuming that the minimum number of reputation points needed to obtain a custom title is 20, what happens when one hits the target, only for his/her points to fall back to 19? Will the particular member be stripped of his custom title?

To prevent abuse of the system, theotaku has suggested that all custom titles be permanent, unless special circumstances call for alternative actions to be taken, which I think is a good suggestion. However, at the end of the day, I am still against such an implementation, at least for now, until further aspects of it has been addressed.

P.S. I noticed that everyone who has posted in this thread has a minimum of 10 reputation points. :D

@Gambler: I pretty much understand most of your concerns, mass uploads of maybe shitty quality for rep, complaining about rep and rep log and the whole shebang, and elitism – they’re all good and valid points. I do want to note that people don’t give rep out like candy however. Noobs don’t probably even bother to rep because they come into FAKKU woefully ignorant of the rep system. I myself download some stuff from the User Uploads and I don’t always +rep someone for their upload, though I probably will leave a comment of thanks. I usually give +rep to uploads when the upload is 1) rare, 2) of important value to me, 3) uploader spent significant time uploading material and detailing it out, 4) it’s something that I couldn’t find myself, 5) someone personally answered my request. So I don’t quite think reps will flow around as easily as you might think, especially when we have a big compilation of material already. Also, it’s easier to post than to upload material, so I think we wouldn’t have to worry too much about spam uploads. After all, uploading requires good internet connection, time, effort, and patience. Plus, there’s more than one way to gain reputation, and that includes image uploading and great/intellectual/funny posts. I recently got +4 rep by creating the thread on rules and influx of noobs. I don’t believe I’ve ever gotten rep for an upload. (That’s because I never upload, hehe.) I think elitism exists, but I think that’s due to the effect of seniority, not reps. As for the minimum number, I suggest 10 reps, and if it dips down below, maybe we can code it so that it sticks permanently once obtaining it? I dunno, and that’s a very good point you bring up, e.g. if your rep goes below minimum.

I think of this custom title thing as an Easter Egg of sorts, just an added bonus for those who are respected in the community. It certainly won’t hurt anyone, and I don’t think the vast majority will even notice such an minute change. Hell, most of the users don’t even know the damn rules. Leastwise this is my two-cents worth.

edit: change minimum rep to 15 reps. Like you need 15 posts to rep someone, you need 15 reps to name yourself. Other question is that is it worth to the vast majority of members to gain rep just to have that custom title? I think not. I was never fond of the rep system to begin with, but I think that this wouldn't add to the issues that the rep system already has.

Pretty much what G-money wrote. I don't rep people just for a upload even if I download it. I just leave a thanks. As for people uploading getting to 20 reps or whatever it would be ( I like Fpod's idea of between 20 - 50) then not uploading anymore, that's their choice and we can't make them keep uploading. But they won't get the rep their hoping for if the uploads aren't quality and they don't help people with info and any trouble their having with the upload. The people that ask for rep in their uploads (Rep Whores) they won't be seeing any rep either cause as mechgouki learned (If your reading this sorry to use you as reference XD) that if you beg for rep, the members won't give it to you and that's both regular and new members. If anyone starts complaining that they've lost some rep, it should be obvious that if you can gather 20 + rep or whatever it shouldn't be too hard to get a rep or 2 back. I don't think that spam uploading will be a problem either. There's not many people who will go through the time and effort to attain rep just so they can have a custom title. It's just too much work for most people.

So yah, I'm still pro the idea.

Considering the previous rep goal for a custom title was 50 (I think my memory may be incorrect) I see no reason why if the custom title thing is reinstated that the goal should be any less than that. At that point in time almost nobody had 50 rep so clearly the idea was that custom titles were only for those who had really earned it. While I'm not against the idea of custom titles (in fact having one would make me oh so happy indeed) I don't really want to see that every fourth person has one which is what it would be like if the goal was anything less than 30.
Please note that I don't have 50 rep and probably won't anytime soon.

I'm pretty much go with the idea, however there are issues like what Gambler mentioned

Some suggestions:
-Remove the neg rep function (To prevent rep wars and solve the particular member be stripped title problem)
-Have a limitation of +rep for each user and account, example N numbers of rep per user per day and N numbers of rep received per day (We don't want people to create multiple accounts just to rep themselves)

Though this might need some works in the admin part but i sincerely hope FAKKU for the best

Although I would love to flaunt my seniority and likability amongst my peers even further through use of my name, the facts is that elitism such as this would turn off a lot of people. I remember when I first joined, the only title given was Elite, with the exceptions of a select few. As a new member I felt the desire to reach that status, and realized through posting I could. Thus I posted with no intention of gaining more rep, which is earned through our other members. I simply posted with the intention of posting, with no worries or insecurities as to whether or not I would reach my goal. Now I didn't fucking spam my way there, nor did I post only to reach my goal, it was just that I could voice my opinion to a forum of people with like interest while simultaneously working towards the title of Fakku! Elite, a feat that could be reached through my own ability. I did what this forum was built to allow me to do, congregate amongst other members. The appeal of receiving recognition for doing such added to the experience of being on this forum. However, should a reward based on rep; the recognition of others, therefore earned not through ones perseverance but rather through ones appeal to others, new members would be turned off rather quickly. Members would be watching what they say and never really voice their opinion or become who they want to be, their preoccupation would be on rep. While it is wrong to think in such way, it is simply human nature to want to achieve something like that of a personal Fakku Title, it's in our sub-conscious.

The fact that we can oppose the idea makes it reasonable to say that its not gonna bode well anyways. If FPOD's idea was simply criticized, we could compromise and come up with a better system to implement and present to Jacob(he still probably won't want to do it). But the fact is enough people are opposed to the idea that we'd be split as a community.

Besides, Suggustion is spelled wrong.

@aznstoner: This may be one opinion amongst the masses, but it's an opinion nevertheless. Most newcomers, and especially member lurkers/leechers don't even know or bother with rep system. Why? Because they don't have the posts to +/- rep people in the first place, and even if they did, they don't bother to figure it out. I didn't figure it out till around 50 or so odd posts, and someone explained it to me I believe. As I said before, newcomers come into FAKKU mainly looking for material to download, and while the forums are there for them to interact with the community, it's their choice to participate - we can't force them. And if they join, more often than not they are mostly unaware of the rules, unaware of the system. Even I took some time getting used to the system - I probably didn't understand the system like the back of my palm until I hit Elite status. Then I could say I knew nearly most functions and rules on FAKKU enough to never worry again. (This supports my argument for a clear and cut page of rules/FAQs) I think that elitism translates into seniority, and while I may have a rep of 23, I have helped countless others without ever asking for rep, and never get it. So sometimes I think rep isn't even the best way to judge a person's worth. In fact, I have never uploaded a single thing to this website, and I'm proud of my hard earned rep from posting alone. There are people here I respect with less rep than others, so that goes to show that the rep system isn't all as cracked up as it's supposed to be.

Frankly, I don't think people post with the intention of getting rep. I certainly don't, and it doesn't keep me from arguing with others. If I don't like your attitude or I don't agree with your position or you've done something wrong, I'll tell you straight up, no games. Sure, I might write a diatribe or rant or a dissertation to get my point across, but that's all it is, and the rep that follows depends on other peoples' reactions. The key thing is other peoples' reactions, and one person won't have the same reaction like another, so you never know who'll give you the rep, so don't bother to try and figure it out. I like discussing things here, and I don't believe that rep gets in the way of discussion, leastwise I've never seen something along the lines of this: "I have higher rep than you, so shut up you've got no place or say in this." I have never seen anyone use their rep as a bludgeoning tool on others, which is why I believe that elitism isn't a big issue since it's really related to seniority/frequency anyways.

As for a better system, I don't think one exists. I've already expressed my disapproval of the rep system (since this is the first site I've been on that uses it) because I honestly think it's just ballast - useless. The only way I can see it improved is like what eqym suggested, there's no de-repping of others so that we wouldn't worry about rep-logs or rep wars and whatnot. Other than that, I would rather scrap the entire rep system, but it's here to stay with the admins having no intention of providing a rep log for the users. I figure that people with higher reps can take advantage of the rep by giving themselves a little omake, just a little title that describes them underneath their FAKKU status. It's really not a special privilege because like I said, most people aren't aware of the rep system, and if they do, they don't bother with it or wonder about it. So yeah.

Btw, it's spelled suggestion. Some people might need to go back to preschool. (Or in FPOD's case, a momentary passing of dyslexia by transposing the two vowels.)

Perhaps instead of reputation points, we could use the number of posts. If a user reaches a certain number of posts, he/she is able to give him/herself a custom title. It would be a high number, one that a person couldn't reach simply by spamming. (And, if a person did try spamming to get to that number, people would notice, and he would be banned without too much trouble.) The problem we had with spamming when we raised the maximum post count to enter the User Uploads section was caused by a lot of people spamming. This wouldn't happen if a high post count were dependent upon getting a custom title because not a lot of people would be willing to spam that much just to get a simple title.

Another alternative would be to give more titles out, instead of just Elite and Elder. The problem with this, of course, is that if the post count required for whatever title is too low, then everyone will have some sort of title, and it will all seem worthless. But it is still a possibility. It would just have to be thought about a lot, deciding which post counts should unlock which titles, and what titles people would like having. Thinking about it, it seems very un-Fakku. Hmm.

Somewhat off-topic, but i just wanna know if there were people getting banned during the infamous spam-fest?

Yes, there were.
Example of one of them:https://www.fakku.net/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=85211

@ShaggyJebus: Well, by using posts than rep points kinda defeats the purpose of this thread, don’tcha think? Because as of now, reps have no meaning except making ourselves feel proud, so this will In fact give a purpose to rep finally. In fact, it was the admins themselves that shot down the idea of increasing FAKKU titles based on the # of posts. (I remember that particular thread response from Raze, so there’s almost no use in arguing for it.) To be honest, I just like the two titles as they are, Elite and Elder. I mean, after you get Elder, you pretty much are well known on the site with usually some rep to go with that, and you know the rules/FAQs, system, and forum layout by heart. I just don't think that there's any real harm in instituting a custom title. Plus it's only the users with reputation who are going pro for this anyways. I haven't seen a user with few reps actually going pro or con for this, which goes to support my theory that new members don't really care about the rep system. We don't have to make a big announcement on this, because after all, there isn't an official FAQ on reps either.

Yeah, it does defeat the purpose of this thread, but I figured I'd throw it out there, in case someone liked the idea. Honestly, I'm with you. I like the Fakku titles the way they are, just Elite and Elder. Adding too many titles would make the Fakku forum seem like every other forum out there, and that would suck. That said, custom titles would be a nice way for the active users to express themselves.



I love this so much.



Such a nice ring to it.