Yet Another Thread About Rep

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It's great to see that everyone can talk about this topic calmly and maturely and without trying to hurt anyone else's feelings . . . until the second page, that is.

I think part of the problem with this whole reputation deal is the fact that we haven't really been told anything. When rep was gone, we got a post explaining it, but when it was brought back, there was no explanation, and there have been no replies to the many threads about it. That can make people feel like the situation's being ignored, so if the problems still persist a month later, someone may make yet another thread about rep, because they feel it's all they can do. I think it would be very helpful if someone in a position of power said something about this entire situation.

Side-note: I don't know if anyone else knows about this, and I never saw a notice about it, but now, you cannot rep the same person two days in a row. I only know for sure that you can't give positive rep, but it's a no-brainer that negative rep would be the same. There's a step forward, definitely.

That will encourage spamming, something F! already has too much of. We don't need special privileges for Elite and Elder.



We already have that, and I enjoy it. Although on F! you can immediately rep someone after you've repped someone else, and on SakuraHana you have to rep 5 more people before repping the same person.



lol, was surprised there were no trolling until page 2.



I think that this is necessary, but then think about this: Raze was very clear with his Rules & FAQs. Now ask yourself - how many people on FAKKU actually obey these rules?

I think a thread called "Rep Rules" will do nothing because this forum seriously lacks moderation. Trolls are being let walk around freely, flaming is everywhere. Until this gets fixed (through more Mods, or more responsible work), nothing is going to get better.



Don't worry, we do know. :)

Skipped my simple question I see.

So should I assume that you'll whine at any minus rep?

I thought that I answered your question when I answered Shaggy's.

That doesn't answer the question though. If you are able to say that the system is being abused, that implies there's a correct way of using it. So, what exactly is the "proper" use of a minus rep, so that if I decide to minus rep you, you won't complain.

You obviously have no problem with that +rep in the OP.

I guess what I'm getting at is: why don't you just advocate for the removal of -rep?
Nevermind

It's true. I don't mind. But I wouldn't mind a -Rep either like [z]NOFUTURE said he would do. This is serious talk, and people will have differentiating opinions. If he doesn't agree and -Reps me, I have no objections to that.

While there is are no set rules, we can all agree that rep wasn't put there for teh lulz, and it is the repping from those that cause the most drama. Most of the thing done for teh lulz happening on FAKKU happens in IB. I believe that by getting rid of it in IB, things will improve dramatically.

I doubt it will help, but maybe cut rep out of IB?

you could have a system where those who contribute with mangas and other stuf get +1 rep for every one they posts and screw the rest.

Of course if its against the rules you just report it and it gets removed or something.

could we make system like that work?

I think there is only one way to correctly use negative rep - when someone's breaking the rules. Of course, it'd be great if such posts could simply be reported and deleted or modified, but that's not always going to happen. Sometimes, such a post never gets reported (possibly because people think it's a grey zone or don't want to feel like they're snitches or are afraid that it'll seem that they are just reporting because they happen to not like the person).

For example, if someone in Serious Discussion says, "Everyone who masturbates to [insert fetish] is a sick motherfucker that deserves to be killed," that person deserves any negative rep he receives. He's breaking the rules by insulting people and not being the least bit civil in a section that demands civility.

The wrong way to use negative rep: Negative repping a person who makes a thread in IB that is nothing but the words "uguu wat is dis?" Yeah, the thread's pointless and stupid, but that's all of IB. If anything is of worth, it's not posted in IB. Not everyone has the same sense of humor, and it's bad for people to negative rep a person just because they don't like his joke.

This.

However, with that said, it becomes a problem with newbies. If we negative rep anyone who breaks the rules, it becomes a problem when newbies posts in the wrong section. It is an infraction of the rules, but I don't think it garners a negative rep unless they do it constantly. Things like personal insults and attacks on things like religion, race, etc. deserve one.

I believe the general consensus is that -repping simply because you disagree with the persons opinion or statement wasn't the intended function when Jacob created the system.

For me, my definition of "proper" use of rep would be

+rep those who contribute to the community, either material like manga, doujins, images, people who are funny (without being mean or spiteful), intelligent users who put up strong arguments even for positions you personally oppose.

-rep those who are disruptive,immature, hateful or general dime-a-dozen trolls. Also people who insult or harass other users without provocation.

Under those definitions the constant -rep Ramsus gets would be uncalled for as he doesn't fit someone who'd be -repped by my definition.

But when is a post counted as stupidity?

A person voices their own opinion and another person disagrees or dislikes what the person has said and thinks its a "stupid" post and -rep's them. Even though that said post is completely logical.

There is no way for you guys to control how "proper rep" is issued to other users, or control what other users deem as a their definition as a use of rep properly. It's a consensus that's available to everyone and not every user here will use it fairly or "properly".

I choose to completely ignore rep. I don't care if im repped, whether it be positive or negative nor do i give rep to another user. It's a shame that other people don't have the same mentality, that's why you get threads like this.

Down with rep i say.

I'd say this is better than Jebus' "break the rules" negging.

In after tons of butthurt over -rep and "mooooommmmm I wanna be a mod!"

Abolishing the meaningless circlejerk called rep would be fine by me. I have, however, come to regard the way people use it ("IMMA -REP NIETZSCHE THAT'LL SHUT'M UP! HU HA HA HA!") and others get in a huff about that as a constant source of mild amusement.

Valid uses of +rep:
-In "Requests" when someone fills a request of yours.
-In "User Uploads" when someone uploaded something you like.
-In "Nosebleed" when someone posted pictures you like.
End of list.
Anything else, for the most part, is just mutual dick-stroking; it usually comes in the basic flavours of a) BFF-rep ("lol u rep me i rep u") b) rewarding those who agree with your outlandish and grossly twisted views ("grate psot man, +rep 4 that link to area51conspiracy.ph ;D") c) mob-repping ("high gice sum1 -repped me pls +rep )));").
Thus, I think the oft-proposed THANK YOU!!! button, enabled only in Requests, Uploads and Nosebleed might supplant reputation if people absolutely need a replacement for it.


Valid uses of -rep:
-THE AMUSEMENT OF GIBBOUS
End of List.
People who break the rules don't need to be -repped, they need to be reported and banned immediately, forever, on sight.
Cheap trolls and mental macrobiotes don't need to be -repped, they need to be reported and banned immediately, forever, on sight.
Why? -Rep has never stopped anyone from being a dumb-ass or ignoring the rules, because it yields no actual consequences.
And even if it did (enough -rep and you'll be restricted to posting in 'The Idiot's Gulag' subforum until you have reformed yourself?), there'd simply not enough -rep out there to satisfy the demand.

Dammit gibs, you and your instant forever punishments.

Because being hateful and/or a troll isn't breaking the rules?



The trouble is, there's a fair amount of grey area when it comes to the rules.

For example, your post in SD:

It doesn't add anything to the conversation, and it could be seen as you behaving troll-ish, trying to upset people for the sake of upsetting them. Then again, it could just be you giving your opinion, without any intention of upsetting others. If someone reported that post to the mods, it's not certain what would happen. It could be deleted, or it could be seen as not breaking a rule and left alone. What if nothing did happen? Wouldn't a person that felt that the post was unnecessary then give negative rep, since it was all the person could do, as a way of trying to curve such behavior?