Jacob is a true marksman.

Wont all of what you're saying... kill you?

No. I just can't eat the whole tray in one sitting and don't eat anything else carbby until the next day. My sugar is manageable to a point.

I haven't had any since my birthday two years ago though.

Yeahhh I guess I just dont chance it, there's enough good food with low sugar without risking my feet, or eyesight.

Sisami and Harmonian, haven't heard those names mentioned in a while.

ISIS

He can't. He finally succumbed to temptation and masturbated.

To be fair I doubt ISIS members are unwilling to lie(if murder is morally okay).

You're too self-centered and love to listen to yourself talk too much so you can't hate anyone else.

And that's bad how?

Idk, by that logic I would hate everyone because they're not me.

It's instahell. It's in the Quran. No masturbatin'. Murder is fine though.

I did say "logic"

I don't see it anywhere in our thread of conversation and quotes.

Sorry, confused two conversations I'm having simultaneously. My point was that a religion that has a morality issue with masturbation but no qualms about murder is illogical. Christianity was wrong during the crusades and spanish inquisition, and Islam is wrong now(not all interpretations of it).

It's all relative though. Maybe killing non-believers is logical while sexual degeneracy isn't? Who would've guessed people of different upbringings and morals would come to different conclusions.

It is not relative, killing is immoral, end of story. Anyone who believe the taking of another human life isn't morally wrong is trying to conveniently assuage their guilt. Also the use of the word "degeneracy" doesn't accurately describe masturbation, that would be like classifying use of the word penis as public indecency).


edit: I wanted to clarify, I'm not saying killing isn't necessary, nor are the people doing it automatically evil. Killing in self defense is a necessity, so is killing during times of war, capital punishment is also a required form of killing. My point is all of all forms of killing, including those no matter how necessary, is morally wrong.

You do realize it's not hard for people to justify anything horrible if they're doing it for god/society? Morality is shaped by individual values and outside factors, none of them necessarily having to be undeniable truths, mind you. If you're saying your values are more logical or superior, fine, but that's completely different than saying something is objectively "logical".
Also "degeneracy" fits because that's how they see it, us.

I'm not really an "Objectivist", especially matters involving morality. Even if poorly reasoned and brutal, it's not hard to see why these groups think and act the way they do and how they justify it. I don't think they really care about our point of view, even if we wrote a nice big paper on why their actions are deplorable, contradicting and illogical.
The killing thing seems like a broad generalization though. Guilt isn't a really good basis for logic or morality, people can be conditioned to feel guilty for things out of their control, or things that impact no one in a negative way. If someone were to kill another human in self defensive I think it's natural and acceptable for them for feel guilt but I wouldn't exactly shame them or tell them what they did was immoral given the circumstances.

Which was my point, based solely on pure logic. A being from the sky telling us to kill our fellow man is illogical. It can be justified sure, but still makes no sense.

You've proven my point, and it's hard to argue this any further, killing is immoral, you're right that their God says its okay, but that's not based on logic, it's based on 3000 year old set of values. "thou shalt not kill" was pretty clear, it wasn't thou shalt not kill unless they don't believe the same as you. They want to believe in a book word for word that written 3000 years ago fine, kill infidels, but that doesn't make it any more morally correct or logical.

It's a point of pride that Christianity ended it's crusade 800 years ago, and the inquisition 500, Islam is simply going through their Crusades, and the rest of the world has to suffer. None of this is to say Christianity is a better religion, or that nonviolent Muslims are also wrong in their following the same book, it is simply a statement that shows Islam is going through something we had to go through before we realized our mistake.

p.s. Read my previous edit if you missed it, it's not in your quote.

edit: You're not even arguing the same thing as me anymore, I didnt say I don't understand why they kill, only that it was morally wrong, and illogical.

There is nothing immoral or illogical in killing in self-defence. And why even use a word like 'immoral' when morality is nothing more than a ones own opinion.

Yeah, just saw the edit. Personally, I think it's really hard to say there's "pure" logic outside of math. People can make different deductions based on a variety of factors.

And really can't argue about what you find to be moral or not, I still think associating guilt to morality is kinda pointless and just serves confirmation bias. People still debate on what constitutes as life, what the value of life is in general, and whether actions we commit are even in our control. Given that it's pretty hard to have such a black and white view on anything concerning killing.