Jacob is a true marksman.

Not all morality is based on one's own opinion, there is such a thing as collective morality, societal morality, and in this case religious morality. Killing someone in self defense is still a morality issue, as I said it was required sometimes but you still ended a life, you should still feel something when you do it.



Oh man, you're never gonna convince me(or anyone for that matter) that killing in Gods name is logical, it's why these countries(aside from Syria which has no formal government) have laws against murder still. You murder someone in the UAE you're going to jail.

Sorry but the debate on "what is life" doesn't apply to the people who are being killed in Syria right now, it's infidels who they don't agree with and foreigners they view as invaders. My stance isn't against killing in general(though I/society still view it as wrong), as I said I believe some of it is required, I simply state Killing in God name illogical and you have yet to present an argument that shows otherwise, the Qur'an(those who interpret it for murder) is wrong just as the Bible(or more specifically the clergy) was 1100-500 years ago.

I don't think I ever set out to prove that it was logical on your terms, just that "pure" logic and morality are not objective.

Logic is.

Ugh. I genuinely don't want to write paragraphs about logic, reasoning, axioms, etc. etc.

Maybe we're just working with two different definitions of objective. And logic.

Whoa- Report and Quote icons, the fuck.

Collective morality = multiple people agreeing on same opinion

Societal morality = majority having same opinion

Religious morality = people simply agreeing on the opinion presented in the holy books



And why exactly you should feel something? Context matters, it is totally normal not feeling sad or quilt or what ever if you take a life from somebody who tried to take yours (for example).

I know, right? They stick out a little too much though.

Because you ended a life? Why do you think soldiers come back from war and avoid the question "did you kill anyone?". Holy shit, I'm flabbergasted that I have to explain this to you. The people who don't feel anything after taking a life are sociopaths(actual name for it).



I would call murder being wrong a self evident truth, and doing so because your God told you to the very epitome of illogical.

It feels like you're trying(subconsciously perhaps) to circumvent my point again. Unless you can show how killing in God name makes perfect sense(you cant) this really is just you arguing for the sake of arguing. Don't get me wrong, I love doing that... when there's a point.

Sorry but you're going of to irrelevant things. Logic is not objective. That is an objective fact.

Fact: My head automatically reads that phrase in a valley girl voice.

It is, and the whole point of this debate was you arguing my original point(which was about killing in God name), so you deciding to change the debate doesn't mean others forgot what the debate was about.

Is not. You haven't given an actual reason why anything is "objective", and I sincerely doubt you can. And your whole debate is ruined by that fact that logic and reasoning is based on perception. Before you say "X can never be objectively logical" you need to prove anything can be objective.

Errrrrrrhm what? Did Bachar al-Assad disappear overnight? There is a formal government, and in some parts of the country, namely Damascus where the bourgeoisie lives (including a good portion of that bourgeoisie being christian), there is absolutely no war. My cousin there goes to University, he has the internet etc, and I can assure you criminal and civil law still applies.

In the war zones (Homs, Aleppo etc) as well as the zones where ISIS has taken over, there is indeed no government, but only in the sense that they lost control over the territory.

You like completely ignored what i wrote, huh?

Like i already said, context matters, or you think it doesn't? There is absolutely nothing wrong in NOT feeling anything after taking a life from a person who tried to take yours (for example). Pretty naive for you to think that the equation for being an sociopath is simply not feeling anything after taking a life.

Sure, if you continuously show lack of empathy & remorse, you might be a sociopath, but given the context of different situations, it isn't as simple as your flabbergasted mind thinks it is.

Yeah. I just noticed it, too.

We hipsters now.

Prove that logic is subjective. At this point you've disagreed with me while providing no evidence of your own to back you up. I will once again restate my original point as you seem to want to change this argument to suit your goal: killing another human being in God's name is illogical and is simply false justification to commit murder.



You're right, the majority of the country is burning and people are being killed because they dont pray to the same God, but there is still a semblance of a formal government in the rest of the country; you really picked up on the important part of my argument... this debate about killing in God's name was originally started with you.



I'm saying in terms of morality context matters little, you should feel responsible for ending a human life regardless of reasoning. I'm not saying killing in self defense and murder are the same but you should at least feel some regret after taking another humans life.

According to you.

We use logical reasoning for maths, and I'd argue that nothing is more objective than mathematics.

I already did though. Logic is based on reasoning and observation.
If our cognitive framework isn't objective than how can we claim results/conclusions from it are objective?

I've already said this and you ignored it. No rebuttals.

Now prove to me it is objective, since you're making the claim that it is. Prove to me that "objective" even exist.(and yes I've asked this of you before and you didn't answer)


@Pumpjack
For math. But math logic has it's own set of rules and methods to reach a conclusion.

Wait, did you think any of what you said was evidence of your point? It's entirely your opinion, I don't understand why you think any of that need a rebuttal?

>it's an opinion
>observations are objective
>the way we reason and process information based on observation is objective

No faggot, prove me wrong or stop bothering me. If it's objective, prove it.