Netorare ramblings

Some people (me) get irritated by male characters in media that don't quite... live up to what they're getting. Those male protagonists in harem stories that somehow still manage to stay a virgin for 200 chapters, or those whiny emos that get to be in the most awesome role ever but just sit there and cry all day. Know what I'm saying? I absolutely love NTR for giving those loser types what they deserve. If you don't fuck your girl, several other guys will do it instead. In front of your eyes. Beautiful.

There's a brand of feminism that supports such actions. Not all feminism is the same, by the way.

Just feels weird and disgusted knowing that.

My answer to this is...

You're post is the ultimate answer for this thread. Every point is supported with good facts. For me, NTR doujins are basically for enjoyment. Some Vanilla-People just take it too seriously.

If you think about it, you don't really have to see a man cry.
The fact that you're already boning someone's girlfriend or wife, you're already making life shit for him by making his woman unfaithful.

One of the funny things about NTR is that some people consider some forms of NTR not NTR depending on if the guy doing the fucking is good looking or not. Look at Shiwasu no Okina's Kanojo Kareshi Kanojo. Two male friends basically coerce a woman who already has a boyfriend into having sex with them due to friendship. They don't look ugly at all, so most readers will say it's not really NTR.

But then if this dude was ugly as heck, or was a fat person, or maybe an old man, and they used reasons of friendship or whatever to have sex with her, the readers (who would mostly be male) would call it disgusting, vile, and call the woman dumb and gullible for falling for the weak "coercion."

What's the difference between the good looking man and the ugly man having sex with a woman who already has a boyfriend after coercing her? Nothing. They both coerced her. They both fucked a woman that has a boyfriend. And for some reason, a lot of people will call the first as cheating (even though all cheating falls under NTR the way the Japanese use it) and the latter is NTR through and through to them. And in the end, there was no philosophical difference between the two actions.

They'd also use the description "this is so unrealistic" even though people that love each other do not suddenly have sex and have successful sex after meeting each other the first time, which is one of the main plotlines we see in Japanese 2d porn and they don't care about that at all.

Although I think you make some interesting speculation (because I think that most people will agree that Netorare is netorare ugly dominant role or not) on how the general populace views Netorare, it seems like you really wanted to vent about how uglies get the raw side of the deal in pornography rather than Netorare as a whole.

Ntr is low tier in my dark art column. People who get freaked on cuckold are mentally weak. There way worst concepts in sex and relationships. Ie catching her with a dead guy or with the great Dane. Truthly I find rape and vanilla to be more tarnishing, but I be freak... I like dem eye sockets and draining bodies of there cherry kool aid to be my kink.

Not exactly. I am dissecting the entire philosophical difference between the two things. Whether an ugly or good looking guy does it doesn't matter. What matters is that they did the same thing, therefore, what they did is the same thing. What they looked like is immaterial in the "classification" or "definition" altogether, because NTR (netorare and netori)is merely a context-neutral action derived from netoru.

Also, it's not a matter of ugly or handsome. It's more that most people tend to be "forgiving" if the guy doing the NTR is "regular" like an MC you normally see in anime/manga.

I didn't want to go down to this, but let me tell you why I think this way.
A black guy manages to force himself on a housewife whose husband was away at the time. She has initial resistance but gives up. He manages to blow her mind through sex.
Now, change the black guy into a blonde british white shota. The entire theme and plot remains virtually the same.
Most people would consider the former as netorare, the latter as "not really ntr, it's just cheating" (this doesn't even make sense because cheating is merely a method to commit NTR).

Where's my proof? Find Kusatsu Terunyo's Homestay and then Coelacanth's Bad Communication. Read the comments to those stories. You see a very huge difference in perception.

I can't find Bad Communication on Fakku, but I did find Homestay which received a largely positive reception; a majority of people were unperturbed about the black MC and simply commented that his lips being drawn unrealistically were an issue.

I admit though that you make an interesting point, I'm sure that somewhere on the internet this sort of theory holds truth but for now a majority of Fakkuers seems to have the common sense to tell NTR for what it is regardless of the quality of the MCs appearance and for the rest who gives a rot they can have their opinions and I will hold my own.

Go to e-hentai or find it on google. Bad Communication was initially tagged netorare, but they erased it and called it cheating instead, even though all cheating is NTR. Homestay and Bad Communication basically has the same story, a husband away, of initial force, and the wife succumbing soon after.

I am not saying that there would be positive or negative receptions. Most people who like NTR will enjoy NTR, hence positive perception and posts.

But the point I was making was that if it's a black man fucking a wife, it's automatically NTR and no one argues otherwise. If it's a blonde british shota that fucks a wife, then you find people who tries to argue that it is not NTR and does their best to have it not classified as any type of NTR. There is the same pattern against fat men, ugly men, old men vs regular type MCs.

EDIT:
I just saw this in the Kusatsu Terunyo - Tennyo no Hagoromo series.
People are posting that it's NOT NTR and EVERYONE denying that the girl (Shizumori) doesn't have a boyfriend.
BUT if you have any semblance of knowledge about Japanese, this scene proves that the girl already has a boyfriend.

Chapter One:
水野とじゃなくて
俺と付き合えよ [date with me instead of with mizuno(the boyfriend)]
やっやだ私
カズヤのお嫁さんになるって約束したんだから [n-no, i promised that i would be kazuya's wife]

Japanese is a language of implications. There is already implied initial relationship that Shizumori and Mizuno are already dating. This is proved in Chapter 6 where their blonde friend calls Mizuno Shizumori's boyfriend. Shizumori is also called Mizuno's girlfriend in chapter 4.

Again, the point is not about people cheering for it.
The point is that people are ready to say ugly/fat/black/old/irregular MCs = NTR and regular MCs =/= NTR. And this is even when they're doing the same thing. I find it hypocritical and deceitful. It's like they're lying to themselves.

EDIT:EDIT:
And the worst part about this, is that most people will never get this until administrators in aggregate websites don't change the definitions to show this. The closest move to this was when e-hentai added a 'male:netorare' tag in addition to the 'female:netorare' tag. That is different from netori, mind you.

I accept ntr, just don't like it at all but what just makes me angry is why dose most hentai pics And manga show women as weak and fragile when alone. Plus porn of heroes like devil may cry original series, fan fiction is just that. I'd like to see a manga of the the girl instead of ntrd reversing it and raping him and turning him into her bitch with a strap on mixed in , now that would be something I'd read for entertainment.

Well, most porn has the woman weak in some way, shape, or form. Not just in NTR, but also in damsel in distress situations. Even supposed dominant "femdom" doujins, when the guy starts revving up, the woman can't help but be subdued by the dick. Rarely is there ever a woman who can stand up to the dick in most ecchi/hentai.

I think all these unsightly hypocrisies and generalities have to do with the fact that writers want their ero-works to be popular, and ideally that is them fulfilling their job. If it is not popular it will not sell then they cannot produce content, even if the content offends some people those some people are the minority-they probably will not care. Of course everybody would prefer a unique and thought-provoking hentai but it's not cost efficient and it really does not take much to get the average person in the mood so there really is not much need (but a ton of desire, on my part at least) for original works. I think most of the time people need to set expectations for certain content, the quick faps content like H-doujins or Nukiges you should just expect disappointment in originality or story (well not all Doujins or Nukiges follow this rule but a majority do) and Eroges made by companies like Overdrive or Type-Moon should be faced seriously since they are being paid rather severe amounts of money for hours of content.

Where's the forced loli femdom futa tentacle monster girl doujins when you need it...

Also, NTR is just wish fufillment, like all fiction is. It's to fufill a certain niche fetish, as people do have this kind of fetish in real life. Here it's just not relationship destroying. Just because someone draws a manga about murder doesn't mean that they support murder.

Well this paints a clearer picture thanks for the info

I'm guessing its probably for people who have a cuckold fetish or its some sort of imaginary revenge for people who got dumped or bullied because
"fat, ugly, nerdy, Etc" or naturally weak people who just want to feel a little power over others even if only imaginary.

I'm a vanilla man myself however I do enjoy NTR but not for the reasons most others do to understand my reason you need a brief overview of my honor code
top 3 highest dishonors suicide is technically top however most don't view it as punishable (most are already killed themselves so nothing can be done) so its not officially listed
*1.suicide (punishment if survived attempt torture then left to bleed out)
1.killing of innocents(execution)
2.rape (execution)
3. cheating(official punishment is execution of both the cheating spouse and lover unofficial from old code that is not officially viewed however is still used in some cases is execution of lover then enslavement of cheating spouse for one full year nothing more nothing less)
cheating in marriage is seen not only as a dishonor of yourself but seen as stealing honor from your spouse and the only way to get that back
bloodshed and fury in combat
however cheating in an unofficial relationship is not viewed the same sure you could kill without anyone batting an eye (aka killing a cheater in a BF/GF relationship isn't considered killing an innocent you wouldn't be punished basically) however don't expect any help from others unless you have one or two close friends ready to fight and kill with/for you.

all throughout reading an NTR hentai I've had the hardest boners I've ever had just thinking of the what ifs in real life thinking about all the different ways I could torment them wipe them out kill mercilessly I guess under those terms I might have a thing for snuff films a killing fetish of sorts