NTR...do you like it or not?

not much but when i get too much vanilla that my lil bro don't go up anymore i read those. i also got guro and zoo/s just for the heck of it. vanilla is nice and all but when you see a lot of hentais, you'd be bound to be bored. needs some WTFs and OMGs here and there to keep you wanting more

it really depends on how it's pulled. I liked Another World for showing me all sides of the story, but I disliked others like Ano Natsu Omoide no Umi

Another World made you almost feel sorry for the "bad" guy and the "good" guy, both because the "bad" guy suffered in the past hence his anal fetish and the "good" guy is gonna suffer because of his idiotic girlfriend, she's the worst piece of the triangle.

As for the "netori vs ntr" there's little to discuss, it could seem a small difference in point of view but there's also a massive difference in writing, ego of the main character and so on. Hardly ever you would be able find a netori with a victim that does not deserve it, most of the time those are people who neglect their wives and coincidentally those are also the most harmless ntr you can possibly find. In netori main character is a normal boy that ends up doing with a girl randomly, no scheming involved, you can count ntr that doesn't involve tricking, blackmailing and forced sex on the fingers of two hands. Think the "scarlet desire" books by Tohru Nishimaki, that's Netori but I dare you to go and find the reading any offensive (other than the incest theme itself, I mean).

Regarding the originality of the outcome: meh, once the girl got cuckolded the "second-hand turn-off" switch is activated and what happens to the end is just a wrap-up that does not matter. Unless you want to go and tell me there are some people who still find enjoyable stuff like "Public Toilet" and "When you let go of my hand" because the main guy and the cumdumpster ended up together, other than ntr lovers of course.

Netori is still NTR just because of verb conjugation. The difference in writing is there, that doesn't absolve the action. Stealing is still stealing. Fucking neglected wives is still a process of stealing the wives or their sexual loyalty, hence NTR.

NTR itself does not have any connotations of blackmail, deceit or force. It's just "steal/take". Consensual NTR also exist: examples would be normally very horny characters just can't stop themselves and let the juices flow. There also isn't even a definition based on deserving it or not. Why do people keep adding things to NTR when even the Japanese just use it to describe situations where someone gets stolen/taken away from someone else? Is it because it makes you feel better about yourself? That you're not a hypocrite because you already fapped to the thing you say you hate?

Also are you telling me that if you "neglected" your wife because you're working hard to feed her and buy her the nice stuff you can afford, it's ok for another guy to come in and fuck her just because that guy's the "MC" and she's neglected? Really?

And regarding the "second-hand turn-off": That still doesn't change the fact that the endings will vary. Whether a woman is "second-hand" or not changes nothing. That's like saying vanilla genre endings don't matter just because the guy managed to bang the main girl = it's all the same. It shows a distinct sense of denial and becomes a matter of MY TASTES > YOUR TASTES. And mere subjective opinion is hardly fact or useful in defining anything.

If you can't tell the difference in writing I'm sorry because it's a huge problem, writing tells just who is the target of a story instead of another. Netori most of the time does not even show the husband because he's always away/abroad, it does not want to give you a character to feel sorry for, it does not need to, to go ahead and imagine yourself how he does look like/how he would act would be out of your place. Netorare tells you just who he is, how he looks like, often he finds out the affair and against everybody's understanding becomes a cuckold feticist/jerks to the affair/cries in defeat. Netori main characters most of the time are plain boys or sure as heck are not fatasses, not ugly, not looking like punks, not old and are not evil (all features used not to mock the readers' looks but to annoy)(and yeah, the more I read ntr the more of those clichè happen, the "consensual ntr" happens AFTER the woman got tricked/forced/whatever, that's a fact); they do cheat on the man who's away but it happens randomly, they often are the men at the right place, it's so not a coincidence netori is almost one with incest. Then, there's Kanjyuku by Sink (...) or whatever Carn draws (Otomegari gives a pretty nice picture on how much of a difference the POV does, chapter 1 despite the guy looking like an ugly zombie high on crack is -ALMOST- fine because it's a crime with no victims...then you have chapter 2). We've got only up to english chapter 7 but I wonder who in this godforsaken earth would root for the chairman in pisu hame, for example. Main character by "ntr standards" is one of the most evil bastards in this world, then you read the book and it turns out he's a walking dildo for the girls in the institute to use while the chairman is an evil sob. If SnO had put a few boyfriends pissing in their pants while witnessing their girlfriends fucking mc here and there and the mc acting like a cocky egomaniac you would have a sudden switch in mood and reactions from the public, that's how much writing matters.

About the second-hand: in this particular genre it does matter, a lot, it's a focal point in the "ntr rage" because of the concept the main character is forced (by the story, in real life many people would say "no", lack of common sense is another major factor) to receive "used goods" at the end, after everyone who wasn't supposed to have the girl already used her many times. There are thousands of manga where the girl mc meets is not a virgin, there's a big difference though between a girl who had her own experiences before meeting you and a girl that was forced then kept acting like a cocksleeve with that being the only ero-material being rubbed on your face during the whole reading.

To add to that very concept, they often add the "anal virginity" mockery so that the main character at the very least gets to bang something first, her poophole, I'm sure you noticed it because you read at least as much as I did.

I'd like to see a ntr story where the evil guy seduces the girl without any sort of tricks and she out of her own will lets him fuck her, please link some of this to me because I apparently missed them (not stuff like True Blue, Shoda rapes her). Honest question eh, I don't want to start another war like youknowwhere. Bottom line is: ntr mendoingthefucking make me sick, I'm against forced sex and I usually feel symphatetic for the guy being defeated without deserving it (Nippon's "Bug" was pretty bad in this regard, mc was cool and still he ended up destroyed by the plot so that his homo friend could console him and you could rage at the nonsense). If Pisu Hame is netorare by all means go ahead and tell all artists known to mankind to do ntr following that format, I'm pretty sure you'd find more original ntr lovers complaining than vanilla lovers though.

I usually don't like NTR, but this glorious masterpiece is the sole exception:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/1081931/ahegao-argyle-argyle_legwear-bikini_top-blush_stic
Pure awesome.

Right, the entire point was to show that it only happened because everyone was doing something wrong.

Well I kinda like it, watched some of it and didn't puke. So yeah!

NTR is NTR. The objective of stealing is still stealing, even if it conveniently lands on your lap. It's still there. The wish to dominate someone else's "belonging", whether it be the wife or the husband or the fiancee or the childhood friend or the mother or the father or the classmate you have a crush on or the girlfriend or the boyfriend or so on and so forth.
Difference in writing does not change the fact that NTR occurred.
Difference in point of view does not change the fact that NTR occurred.
Difference in emotions felts does not change the fact that NTR occurred.
Are you getting it now?


Yes, and? That still doesn't mean the guy is not stealing from someone. In fact, are you telling me it's ok for other guys or women to take the sexual loyalty of the person YOU are in love with just because he don't know you? Knowing or not knowing what the other guy looks like does NOT change the fact that it's NTR.

Stealing other people's women (or men, depending on what you enjoy, I ain't one to judge) are forgivable if the MC is good looking? Are you serious?


That's not a fact. Consensual NTR can happen if the wife (or husband or fiancee or girlfriend) are completely not in love with their significant other and fall to the seduction of the other party, even without being tricked or forced. That's pretty consensual.

Rooting for whoever does not change the fact that it's NTR. The most awesome person in the world would be someone you'd root for, and he's still committed NTR if he takes away someone's lover.


Standards? What standards? Also, whether the chairman is an evil SOB, that don't make it suddenly not NTR. It still is NTR. But the "good" version of it.
JUST because the guys you are stealing from are worse than the MC, it does NOT mean that makes the work not NTR. You're still fapping to an NTR work.

NTR is NTR. Stealing is stealing. Succumbing to desires is succumbing to desires. Which is why it's a varied genre. You could do it in so many ways, from so many viewpoints. Chances are, you already fapped to some of them and you just didn't think it was NTR.


You will ONLY rage if you sympathize or INSERT your sorry ass to the MC. If you don't, there is NO rage, hence making this entire argument baseless. Heck, if the guy inserts himself to the woman being dumped with cum, person might feel vindicated, or inserts with the guy who was trying to steal her, he might either feel NTR'd that he lost his target, or just not give a damn at all.


Shunjou Shusuke - Tomodachi Ijou
Aoi Hitori - Oshizuka ni
Hoshino Ryuichi - Love and Sex
Ozaki Miray - More and More

Those are just from the girlfriend stories of the ones I chose to bookmark. I could try to find more, with different themes like wife, fiancee, childhood friend, etc, but I'm not your personal library service.



It's porn with art. People have different fetishes. I ain't going to slag at other people for liking what they like. I'm just not going to read the damn thing I don't like.


See, this is where you messed up. Pisu Hame is what's considered a netori manga. Still NTR, but it's not true netorare because it's more like a mix of it, with the MC having a huge dick to equalize the field so he can steal others but be not stolen from. That's why it's also talked about in NTR blogs in Japan as an NTR work. Heck, Shiwasu no Okina said in a blog post about getting the main girl f'ed out of her mind by a bunch of guys in an omake he might release in the future to celebrate the release of the tankoubon. It's not out of Shiwasu no Okina to do this.
He's already made a manga about a guy who NTR's a lesbian couple.

MY point? You're only arguing from one view only. And all I'm saying from my posts is that NTR is NTR. Netorare and Netori, two different sides of the same coin. They are only verb conjugations of the same word after all.

No one's telling anyone to like both. Just saying, IF you like Netori and you hate Netorare, that's freaking normal. But that also means you like NTR, and are a hypocrite at the same time for saying NTR is crap, because you already fapped to NTR.

It's the same way other people can enjoy son and mom incest but not like daughter and dad incest. Both are still incest, but of two different sides of the coin. People have different tastes. The sooner you understand that, the sooner you'd let go and stop making up things to make it seem NTR is a very shallow genre when in reality, it's of a very wide variety of topics with many kinds of endings, and is probably far more engaging than other genres because of the "you're not really sure what'll happen" factor.

For a reason i don't understand i actually like NTR but it still gets me mad from time to time.

I like Netori with the appropriate characters. By the way, does anyone know any manga with Reverse-NTR (Woman steals man from woman)?

https://www.fakku.net/manga/netonetorare-english

yeah, but it's not powerful enough. The cheated girl is only implied.

Hmm i am kinda between i liked it or not here lol. While sometimes i feel that the story is very sad, i don't know why that NTR is the best fapping material lol compared to Vannila.

Maybe it is caused by the art.(Damn almost all NTR artist produced masterpiece lol.) And the story is mcuh interesting for me compared to Vannila series.

You should be pissed off that people actually do this shit in real life! In a relationship, it is the partners responsibilities to stay together and make it work. If a guy hits on a girl and the slut reciprocates it, it's not his fault your girls a slut.

Once you've see this shit happen a few times, you start to view it as just the moral standard. If I'm not in a relationship I'd feel no guilt banging out a married mom if her dumb ass wanted to risk it.

Most importantly, it's fiction.

sad but true... on manga, doujin, and h-animes...

I like MTSP's art and I like Tousaka and Saber but MTSP's works are NTR(or worst, part 1 vanilla that turns into part 2 NTR) so I can't help liking Tousaka-ke no Kakei Jijou 1-8 eventhough its NTR... IRL-wise, its not a funny matter even is *you're the one doing the NTR; fiction-wise, well its a different flavor why not?

people get so angry when they see NTR in hentai, but I don't understand why they get mad... it's hentai ... i think NTR is fine..
like when that video got uploaded to fakku in the videos section for the first time in ages, people were angry that it was NTR... I don't know why .. hentai is supposed to be dirty you can't have vanilla all the time...

It's not that I like it, but it's more like an acquired taste for me. I felt bad when I read NTR before, but it doesn't feel that bad anymore. Well, until I find one really rage worthy.