Kamp Kuzma: The Operators' Campgrounds (For Operating)
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Nope, I'm not the avid gamer I used to be. Play a little bit of Touhou or Shin Sangoku Musou but that's about it. . . maybe a little ARMA while I'm at Val's as well.
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I actually have ArmA III Alpha (and ArmA Gold Edition) it's really cool especially on full details :D
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Ah that's pretty cool, Val only has Arma II(with all the expansions) but he only uses it to play DayZ so if not for me, he wouldn't already have completed more than half the campaigns or have 61% of the armory collected. I really do like the Arma games, closest thing I've ever played to combat simulation.
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Well they are used as a combat simulator. I think even Australian Army should have the Virtual Battlespace simulators which is reworked ArmA for simulation purpose.
Also: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-05-22/exclusive-video-man-with-bloodied-hands-speaks-at-woolwich-scene/
That's fucking screwed. I consider myself a reasonable guy. I have nothing against Muslims, but I do dislike their radicals, because they do no understand the true meaning of what's written in Quran.
Everybody who believes that spontaneous murder is what Allah wants should actually read the Quran.
I know that soldiers aren't saints and they sometimes give to their blood-lust and do stupid things, but still running over an off duty soldier (who might never been deplyoed) and then literary butcher him on broad daylight in front of passer by isn't an act of a sane person, but a true fanatic who did not understood what is written in their saint texts.
Also: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-05-22/exclusive-video-man-with-bloodied-hands-speaks-at-woolwich-scene/
That's fucking screwed. I consider myself a reasonable guy. I have nothing against Muslims, but I do dislike their radicals, because they do no understand the true meaning of what's written in Quran.
Everybody who believes that spontaneous murder is what Allah wants should actually read the Quran.
I know that soldiers aren't saints and they sometimes give to their blood-lust and do stupid things, but still running over an off duty soldier (who might never been deplyoed) and then literary butcher him on broad daylight in front of passer by isn't an act of a sane person, but a true fanatic who did not understood what is written in their saint texts.
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Indeed, it is the framework used in combat simulators. Reason why I say it's the closest thing is because its not completely simulative. There's only so much a keyboard and mouse can do to simulate combat.
Also yes, when I read the news about that, I was devastated and frustrated that such a thing could happen. I hope these men suffer the most severe of punishments before finally given permission to die. Worse kind of people are the radicals who do not even know their religion.
Also yes, when I read the news about that, I was devastated and frustrated that such a thing could happen. I hope these men suffer the most severe of punishments before finally given permission to die. Worse kind of people are the radicals who do not even know their religion.
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^Agreed.
On totally different note: I was on a shooting range today. Me and two of my buddies. One of them brought his irons (Berretta 71 and Glock 19 4 gen.)
The 71 is a .22LR peashooter I had troubles handling it due to it's really small size, but for a shooting range I think it's pretty decent thingy if you don't have shovels instead of arms like me.
As far as Glock goes I honestly admit I only dislike how they look. It was a nice experience shooting one for real and I must admit they don't look as ugly for real as they look on the pics. I like the white outline on the rear sights it really helps a ton to me, but I got the feeling that the Glock kicked more then the CZ75 Phantom I had on my licence trials. I think I can compare both, because both have polymer frame and steel upper receiver and both uses the same 9x19... Though I don't think the ammo was same :D
To wrap it it was really great hour spend on range. One guy let us fire a few from his 6mm Flobert revolver and I will say only this: Even though it was heck of a revolver the Flobert feels like a toy to be honest.
Edit: If I get CZ75 (which I'd really love to) We could compare them and see how they kick for real and if the thing was only my hazy memory.
On totally different note: I was on a shooting range today. Me and two of my buddies. One of them brought his irons (Berretta 71 and Glock 19 4 gen.)
The 71 is a .22LR peashooter I had troubles handling it due to it's really small size, but for a shooting range I think it's pretty decent thingy if you don't have shovels instead of arms like me.
As far as Glock goes I honestly admit I only dislike how they look. It was a nice experience shooting one for real and I must admit they don't look as ugly for real as they look on the pics. I like the white outline on the rear sights it really helps a ton to me, but I got the feeling that the Glock kicked more then the CZ75 Phantom I had on my licence trials. I think I can compare both, because both have polymer frame and steel upper receiver and both uses the same 9x19... Though I don't think the ammo was same :D
To wrap it it was really great hour spend on range. One guy let us fire a few from his 6mm Flobert revolver and I will say only this: Even though it was heck of a revolver the Flobert feels like a toy to be honest.
Edit: If I get CZ75 (which I'd really love to) We could compare them and see how they kick for real and if the thing was only my hazy memory.
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So tired the other day, I slept in almost all day like last week.
Interesting input, I run with a Glock 19 Gen 3 so I don't know how different a Gen 4 would be but it's my favourite pistol in my arsenal. Personally, I like the Glock's 'nothing fancy' box design though I don't really like how the company is butthurt about design copyrights, considering how simplistic it is. I actually replaced the stock sights with a pair of 'three dot' night sights and they are a beauty to shoot with. I'd use this rather than our standard issue Browning HP.
Interested to see how the Phantom does fare with the Glock, I've never shot a CZ75 before I can't compare the two.
Interesting input, I run with a Glock 19 Gen 3 so I don't know how different a Gen 4 would be but it's my favourite pistol in my arsenal. Personally, I like the Glock's 'nothing fancy' box design though I don't really like how the company is butthurt about design copyrights, considering how simplistic it is. I actually replaced the stock sights with a pair of 'three dot' night sights and they are a beauty to shoot with. I'd use this rather than our standard issue Browning HP.
Interested to see how the Phantom does fare with the Glock, I've never shot a CZ75 before I can't compare the two.
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I think that only major difference between Glock generations is how the frame is done. If there is anything else I'm not aware of it.
Well if the winds ever fly you this way I wouldn't mind if you take a couple of shots from my CZ75 (if I have enough work over the summer I might buy CZ75 at fall)
Also I think Browning HP is one of the oldest guns still in active duty service.
Well if the winds ever fly you this way I wouldn't mind if you take a couple of shots from my CZ75 (if I have enough work over the summer I might buy CZ75 at fall)
Also I think Browning HP is one of the oldest guns still in active duty service.
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Probably, I should look this stuff up. I would much like to visit Czech one day, as well as many other countries. One day.
The HP is one of but not the oldest. I believe that record goes to the M1911, albeit more modernized models. I really don't know why we haven't gotten a new sidearm issued yet, some of our SOF guys are issued with HK USPs but besides that our pistol range is nothing but Browning HPs. The only country's besides ours are the ones are outdated in their military hardware like Cambodia, Angola, Argentina and Peru. BAF has a few still but they've been phasing them out with P226s and G17s. I think my country needs to follow that example, I'd really like to have myself a P226.
The HP is one of but not the oldest. I believe that record goes to the M1911, albeit more modernized models. I really don't know why we haven't gotten a new sidearm issued yet, some of our SOF guys are issued with HK USPs but besides that our pistol range is nothing but Browning HPs. The only country's besides ours are the ones are outdated in their military hardware like Cambodia, Angola, Argentina and Peru. BAF has a few still but they've been phasing them out with P226s and G17s. I think my country needs to follow that example, I'd really like to have myself a P226.
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C'mon guys who gave the minus ranking for telling the truth about China? They bought two MIGs and now they make unlicensed copies based on those (especially jet engines) for their military. That pissed up Russians good BTW.
@ Kei: Yeah 1911 variants still serve in USMC maybe even somewhere else. But Browning HP is 1935 if I'm not mistaken? That's also heck of a long time.
I don't think there are any other service pistols of pre-WWII era that still officially serve in active duty then 1911 and HP. Obviously I can be mistaken.
I did a quick research and people usually credit as the oldest service gun the Browning M2. There is also something about No. 4 Enfields in .303 used by Canadians. Nobody mentions 1911 or HP, but there is a lot of talk about many guns that could still be employed in 3rd world countries and paramilitary organizations.
Hmmm It might be interesting to see the trials for new sidearm of ADF.
I'd love to see Vz. 82 replaced as well (preferably with CZ75 or maybe something completely different), because most of CZ82s are well over their lifespan and changing the barrel of that gun is almost on par with changing the whole gun.
@ Kei: Yeah 1911 variants still serve in USMC maybe even somewhere else. But Browning HP is 1935 if I'm not mistaken? That's also heck of a long time.
I don't think there are any other service pistols of pre-WWII era that still officially serve in active duty then 1911 and HP. Obviously I can be mistaken.
I did a quick research and people usually credit as the oldest service gun the Browning M2. There is also something about No. 4 Enfields in .303 used by Canadians. Nobody mentions 1911 or HP, but there is a lot of talk about many guns that could still be employed in 3rd world countries and paramilitary organizations.
Hmmm It might be interesting to see the trials for new sidearm of ADF.
I'd love to see Vz. 82 replaced as well (preferably with CZ75 or maybe something completely different), because most of CZ82s are well over their lifespan and changing the barrel of that gun is almost on par with changing the whole gun.
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Hmm, I'm surprised at that as well. I thought the only people bothered reading this thread was you, myself and Val.
Yeah the Browning HP was from 1935, any other pre-WWII pistol has either become an antique or had updated models throughout the years. Officially speaking, I can imagine that only 1911 or HP would be, Eastern bloc countries at their oldest would be using Makarovs and Asian countries usually have a surplus from the Cold War. Don't think the M2 would be the oldest firearm in service, it was only introduced 1933. Enfield No.4 wouldn't still be in active service, especially the Canadians whose arenal is practically identical to the Americans. If we're going into paramilitary organizations, I don't think we can count those weapons as being in 'official' active service.
I would like to be a part of the pistol trials if this country ever gets around to re-organizing it's military. Though with the way, it's going, I find that becoming less likely.
Yeah the Browning HP was from 1935, any other pre-WWII pistol has either become an antique or had updated models throughout the years. Officially speaking, I can imagine that only 1911 or HP would be, Eastern bloc countries at their oldest would be using Makarovs and Asian countries usually have a surplus from the Cold War. Don't think the M2 would be the oldest firearm in service, it was only introduced 1933. Enfield No.4 wouldn't still be in active service, especially the Canadians whose arenal is practically identical to the Americans. If we're going into paramilitary organizations, I don't think we can count those weapons as being in 'official' active service.
I would like to be a part of the pistol trials if this country ever gets around to re-organizing it's military. Though with the way, it's going, I find that becoming less likely.
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Looks like someone bothers.
I think then Browning HP wins the race With 1911 (A1).
The Enfield seems to be with Canadian Reservists.
It could be interesting.
On a side note: Held the CZ805 today. Not bad at all. It really reminds SCAR in many ways. It's light but not as light as Vz. 58 and it's longer then I'm used to (Vz. 58 or M4). The handling is similar most different is fire selector. I asked about the interchangeable cartridge option (It can fire both 7,62x39 and 5,56x45) and the lads told me that they don't have neither training nor hardware to do that themselves.
I think then Browning HP wins the race With 1911 (A1).
The Enfield seems to be with Canadian Reservists.
It could be interesting.
On a side note: Held the CZ805 today. Not bad at all. It really reminds SCAR in many ways. It's light but not as light as Vz. 58 and it's longer then I'm used to (Vz. 58 or M4). The handling is similar most different is fire selector. I asked about the interchangeable cartridge option (It can fire both 7,62x39 and 5,56x45) and the lads told me that they don't have neither training nor hardware to do that themselves.
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Nope, M1911 still wins. The A1 models came into service in '24. Still, I find it weird that they would still be using that thing, logistics would be a pain supplying .303 for Reservists and the standard NATO for the regulars.
I do notice the resemblance of the 805 and the Mk.16 although there are minute differences obviously. I'm also interested in its interchangeable cartridge ability, like to see how its done and how quickly it can be done. On the topic of interchangeable cartridges, the Desert Arms SRS sniper is still my favorite firearm capable of changing calibers.
I do notice the resemblance of the 805 and the Mk.16 although there are minute differences obviously. I'm also interested in its interchangeable cartridge ability, like to see how its done and how quickly it can be done. On the topic of interchangeable cartridges, the Desert Arms SRS sniper is still my favorite firearm capable of changing calibers.
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Yeah I wonder why they never mentioned it there. Well one thing is that this question could be takes by two ways. The oldest manufactured piece still in use by some military and the model. Also I found that Madsen machine-gun (started production in 1902) is still used by Brazilian forces I read military police and maybe even counter terrorist units.
Well it seems that so far the factory is only solution for changing that. Those guys who I talked to were regulars and they said they were supplied only the rifles. The did not received barrels or other parts needed for this change. How it will be handled in the future is a big ?
Well it seems that so far the factory is only solution for changing that. Those guys who I talked to were regulars and they said they were supplied only the rifles. The did not received barrels or other parts needed for this change. How it will be handled in the future is a big ?
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Hmm, I can see that validity of using them still, considering there's models out there that load standard 7.62 NATO. Still, there are plenty of third world country militaries and militias that don't have an organized catalogue of their weapons. But on the original question, the M1911(A1 or not) is the oldest pistol in active service.
That's quite a shame that you'd have to hand it to the factory to change calibres, I like those weapons that are capable of switching right on the field and it would be useful especially for NATO troops. Imagine after sustained fighting over a period of time, you've run out your 5.56 and have nothing left but downed insurgents and their AKs with 7.62 Soviet. Switch of the barrel and whatever else then you're back in the fight. It's actually a situation SOF troops in Afghan suffer with quite a bit, they end up ditching their M4s or other standard issue and run with an old AK they've taken from a dead insurgent.
That was why Knights Armament developed the SR-47(Stoners Rifle AK47) which was practically an AR-15 loaded for 7.62x39mm. Unfortunately they only ever manufactured six for testing and one remains on display while the other five were handed to SOCOM, don't know if they still run it or not. The problem with that though was that it's meant to only fire 7.62 Soviet, it's nice to have a weapons system that can take calibres that your standardly issued and the calibre your enemy is running to make deep territory operations easier.
You know what's a new weapon I'm liking? The Polish MSBS Radon, a modular weapon that can switch from a traditional assault rifle to a bullpup configuration as well as change roles from assault rifle to carbine, sniper or IAR. I'm looking forward to when they implement those into the Polish Armed Forces and replace their Kbs Beryls. Personally, the Radon reminds me of the Masada ACR somewhat in traditional configuration and it doesn't help that they kitted it with Magpul accessories during its testing.
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That's quite a shame that you'd have to hand it to the factory to change calibres, I like those weapons that are capable of switching right on the field and it would be useful especially for NATO troops. Imagine after sustained fighting over a period of time, you've run out your 5.56 and have nothing left but downed insurgents and their AKs with 7.62 Soviet. Switch of the barrel and whatever else then you're back in the fight. It's actually a situation SOF troops in Afghan suffer with quite a bit, they end up ditching their M4s or other standard issue and run with an old AK they've taken from a dead insurgent.
That was why Knights Armament developed the SR-47(Stoners Rifle AK47) which was practically an AR-15 loaded for 7.62x39mm. Unfortunately they only ever manufactured six for testing and one remains on display while the other five were handed to SOCOM, don't know if they still run it or not. The problem with that though was that it's meant to only fire 7.62 Soviet, it's nice to have a weapons system that can take calibres that your standardly issued and the calibre your enemy is running to make deep territory operations easier.
You know what's a new weapon I'm liking? The Polish MSBS Radon, a modular weapon that can switch from a traditional assault rifle to a bullpup configuration as well as change roles from assault rifle to carbine, sniper or IAR. I'm looking forward to when they implement those into the Polish Armed Forces and replace their Kbs Beryls. Personally, the Radon reminds me of the Masada ACR somewhat in traditional configuration and it doesn't help that they kitted it with Magpul accessories during its testing.
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^Yeah I agree with 1911.
I think it's a shame too. I though it would be field exchangeable from what I read on the web and what I got from friends, but those guys who actually got it issued I met this weekend for the first time so they kinda crashed my image. Shame -.-
I heard about SR-47 I saw some pictures and though it was interesting. It's a shame that it never got produced more.
I agree. Radon really looks like Masada. Even it's colour scheme is similar. Kinda reminds me how CZ805 looks similar to SCAR.
Also I was looking on the official CZUB price list. The CZ75 costs from 761 AUD (735 USD) to 1445 AUD (1395 USD) depending on version. I omitted the "Sport" series, but still it's darn expensive for a home production... -.-
EDIT: A CZ858 which is a civilian variant of CZ58 costs 307 AUD (296 USD)
I think it's a shame too. I though it would be field exchangeable from what I read on the web and what I got from friends, but those guys who actually got it issued I met this weekend for the first time so they kinda crashed my image. Shame -.-
I heard about SR-47 I saw some pictures and though it was interesting. It's a shame that it never got produced more.
I agree. Radon really looks like Masada. Even it's colour scheme is similar. Kinda reminds me how CZ805 looks similar to SCAR.
Also I was looking on the official CZUB price list. The CZ75 costs from 761 AUD (735 USD) to 1445 AUD (1395 USD) depending on version. I omitted the "Sport" series, but still it's darn expensive for a home production... -.-
EDIT: A CZ858 which is a civilian variant of CZ58 costs 307 AUD (296 USD)
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Yeah that's about the same price as the ones I can find here. A 'Phantom' 75 at my trusted store sells it for about 900. All the SiG P226s I find range from 900 to 2,000 which I find a bit too pricey for me, 5 of those and I might as well just get that locally made M4 from Warwick Firearms.
