am I being difficult

I wonder what the train is like -_- I've never taken the train here ever, I always travelled by car. But I am so curious.

Well you said ethical, but let us say the person you are involved with is accepting of it. Would still be unethical? Of course if you're doing it in the back its something else right.

So just ot make it clear, I'm talking about you actually being free to do so = you're either single or your lover allows you to.

Yes, not a lot can. By circumstance, but the desire is still there isnt it? Well that is the thing, why do you need to control yourself? Is it really that bad of a thing? Especially let's say youre a single man, you dont answer to any woman, you have a beautiful girl in front of you who likes you, why wouldn't you?

Surprisingly, I am actually more of an exclusive person. I dont really like sleeping around when Im with someone, hell even if I am given full freedom to. When Im single thats a different story of course. But I dont have this 'urge' that men have though of course. One feeling I do recall is, I was interested in doing it but I was uncomfortable with my partner also doing it.

And most men Ive been in a relationship with, what they also wanted was that. That they get full freedom to do it with others BUT I cannot, a double standard.

And hey Alex, have you seen Shamu?!

It still isn't very ethical. Why in the holy hell, if you still want to screw around, would you want to be in a relationship with someone. You can do that single. Whether s/he gives you permission or not, if you're in a relationship with someone you're supposed to care about, even in the slightest, then why would you continue to run off with others, when you could do that even better outside a relationship. It makes the relationship almost invalid and unnecessary. So, as far as that goes, yeah, I still find it unethical. Now, if your single, yeah, OK, I can understand to mess around a little, because you're still looking, and not tied to someone. However, if you're with someone different every week or so, the ramifications of such an act, whether men or women, could be... bad. Which leads me to my next point.

Yes, it's a bad thing. The lack of control of one's self does more harm then good in many situations, and like I stated, the ramifications of such an act could screw you over in the worst way possible. That's why we have laws and moral codes to begin with. Even if a man does see an opportunity, he still has to weigh his options at any possibilities that may occur if such an encounter were to take place. A man without such an ability would find himself in a world of hurt, possible both to his health, and wallet. And don't pretend like you don't know what I'm referring to.

And see, you never mentioned that before, on both parts, because your story seems to be counter-productive to what you're saying now. On top of that, if that's the kind of relationship they wanted, I don't believe that they were truly ready for a relationship to begin with. I'd like to believe men like that are few and far in between, but, well... I can just say that a majority of men aren't like that, and are willing to stick to one person in a relationship. I can't speak for everyone, though.

And yes, I have been to Sea World a few times, mostly when I was younger. Yes, I did get to see Shamu. I got a bit wet too.

Well I asked people that actually do it. Here is the typical answer.

From a girl: I like girls, I have a husband already but a part of me still wants to be with one. And he does not mind and our relationship right now is at a strong point and we are comfortable in going with it. plus he loves it.

From a guy: We gave it a year, to have a bond first before we start doing these things. We've come past that and we both agree to try it together and see how it goes. We love each other a lot.

Me, if I wanted to have sex with someone, and I have a lover and he says he is ok with it. My relationship is with MY LOVER and not the public, the ONLY opinion that matters to me is HIS. If he is ok with it, and I want it then that is all I need to consider it as right. No one else is gonna tell us how to run our own relationship.

Do not mix in sex and love, they are NOT the same and one does not require the other. Love is love, and sex is sex.

Unless we see relationships as just that, merely to have someone exclusive to fuck? Is that IT? This couple that I know, the do it a lot. They love each other so much, and they do things and decide on things as a couple. Does one sleeping with someone else invalidate that love and care? Seriously, its just a lover being considerate of the needs of the other. Do not pressume too much that we can always give everything that our lover needs, and to disregard that out of trivial things... well...

laws really, is there a law against having sex with another person if you have a lover?

and moral codes, get real alex, that is relative. here its abominable to sell your daughter for marriage, but in the next country over there its fine

health and wallet... you never heard of condoms or aware of safe practices during sex? wallet, Ive never heard of sex costing money unless youre talking about prostitutes -_-. now if youre talking about kids unplanned with a stranger, then I think that is not the fault of sex itself, that is stupidity of the person.

Why I wonder, must we always assume that others should want the same things that we want and expect them to do what we do. Or what the most do. Most people do not watch anime, they think its abominable and yet some of us do that right? Then you can say it hurts no one. well, with all consent, who does it hurt? when both are happy... wouldnt you say the 'observer' is the one who is butt-hurt coz they cant get the same? and they just wished... >_>

Do not mistake consented extra marital affairs with cheating, if thats what you call it. Cheating is harmful because it is done against the will and consent of the lover. that is different. you can see the difference right? deception

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I want to go to sea world!!! I only get to see it on pictures and stupid south park when will I see shamuuuu. I wonder if there are rides there too. Its a theme park isnt it? Hey, which other theme park have you been to here Alex? I remember lego land from a long time ago. That was cute, theres like this mini city with tiny people on it like only upto your knees and they got mini trees too like bonzai stuff it was adorable.

Alex kun, that picture on your signature. Have you ever choked someone before, during sex?

That's all well and good, but riddle me this; What if he wasn't OK with it? What would you do then?



I've never really been one to believe the statement "Love is love, sex is sex". It always seemed like some sort of blanket excuse to convince one's self like what they were doing is 100% OK. Not everyone agrees with either the statement, nor the reasoning behind it. Now, sure, it might work for some people, it might not, but if that statement was so accurate, please explain to me why we have terms like cheating, why others get angry when there other decides to get intimate with another, and so on, and so forth. Love is not just love, and sex is not just sex. These two do, believe or not, tend to go hand in hand, and just because the prospect of an open relationship may work for some, doesn't mean it'll work for others.



You're taking my point out of context. I was talking about why we have laws and moral codes, to keep the presence of (self)control. And it's still abominable, it's just harder to regulate. It doesn't make it any less wrong.



I was hitting on the second one. Also, not everyone uses condoms, and women can, and do convince men to go without them. Sad thing is, most are stupid enough to fall for that trap, which is sad. It may be on the stupidity of the person, but it takes two to tango, and the other person at the other end decide to take advantage of the others lack of self control and common sense. Sex may not have been at fault, but it was part of the equation.



Not everyone does. For example, I'm guessing you think I want things my way, and that's how it should be, that we shouldn't have any open relationships. However, I realize that's my opinion, and while I may disagree with others who find it might work for them, doesn't mean they do not have the right to do as they wish. Just because my opinion might be the different as yours, or others with the same opinion, doesn't mean I don't realize they have full right to do as they wish if it works for them. However, just like you, I do have the right to state and defend my stance on the subject. If that upsets you, or anyone else, I don't think it's the ''observer' getting butthurt'.



I never stated one was the same as the other, nor did I assume it. I just stated that I do not agree with either. You are the one coming to that conclusion.

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It is, but it's not big on rides, least when I was there. There's a few, but not as many as most other amusement parks. Most are shows or exhibits, or of the like. I've been to most theme parks; Disneyland, Knotts, Six Flags. Legoland is one I haven't been to, though. Sounds like a good time.

And that last bit almost made me spit out my lemonade. No, I haven't. It's a bit on the kinkier side for my tastes (though I suppose I wouldn't be against it if my partner was into that kinda thing... Hm...). No, those picture come from the ahegao genre (if you want to call it that). Ahegao, look it up. The rest should speak for itself.

Alex Im about to go to bed so I will only answer a few.

If my lover, if I had one, would say NO, then I will just have no choice but to comply and not do it.

Not everyone has the same belief in life, just as not everyone has the same idea on what love even is. What love to you Alex, may not be what love is to me, it can have a hundred to a thousand variations among the ton of people out there. Now would you say one is right, and only one point of view is right? Who is to judge eh?

Cheating, I dont know what the confusion is, its a very basic word. You go against the rules. And the rules are set by the two lovers, NOT the poeple around them its THAT SIMPLE. Should we decide how often you should have sex with your girl? Should we dictate what acts you should do to her? Is there a standard that you have to comply to? I think that is serving yourself. Me I would rather listen to what my lover wants and is open with and go by it.

The fact that it works for some, means its not wrong. Just because you dont like it, it means its shit. Like the soup that I made for someone. He thinks its not hot enough, but I am sure that theres a lot who would think it is, am I to say your taste in food is wrong, eat it like how the most of us do. Wouldnt that be outrageous?

Alex, by normal standards that picture you have on your signature is sick. If I am to show that pic to all of my coworkers, they would think youre a weirdo. I am not trying to make a personal attack, on the contrary, do you get what Im saying?

You talk about self control. Just because we are happy sleeping with different people it does not mean we have no self control. I have a lot of offers for sex. If I had no self control, I would have fucked all of them. Have I? Dont assume we dont have standards. Again, maybe you assume too much.

The world is bigger than we know it. Variety is more vast than we know. No one, can tell a person what can make him or her happy. I am into women. Would you say I am unethical because I am out of control and I pursue what makes ME happy? coz you people are not into homosexual stuff? Seriously, in most cases, that would be your personal issue dont you think and not really mine?

Well then in your other statements, what is the disagreement? We have full reign, you and I to live however. You have your wants I have mine. If you wish to live like that, I would not say its unethical or it is wrong or you are narrow minded and afraid of trying things, just as is it really right then for you to judge how I live my life?

I didnt say you were, I said maybe, and maybe others who have a similar stance.

You did not just say you do not agree. You said it was unethical, leading to people who do engage in such as unethical. You also said that couples who indulge in such, you gave this line "It makes the relationship almost invalid and unnecessary". You are also question the relationships of a lot of people out there and invalidating them. No, you are judging others alex by these words.

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I liked Knotts. It wasnt as expensive as the rest and I loved their roller coasters, I love those. I remember I had a date there once and we rode all of them. I got so sick after really. I dont like disney too much. I like their fireworks however, but you dont have to be inside to watch it. I remmeber one time being outside a club waiting for the opening and it ws close to disnet and I watched the whole thing. Sitting on a bus stop bench, for free.

I will look it up the term tomorrow I guess. Theres nothing wrong about it alex. Some girls love it actually. If you would do it, just me mindful and try to test it easy on her to get a feel on her breathing. And have signal for each other on when to let go. I will admit, I kinda receiving it from time to time. Not a lot of men are comfortable with it though. They say its against their principles haha, does that sounds familiar? Haha just teasing.

I should real lemonade too, thanks for the idea. I should drink less soda and go more natural.

I regress. Perhaps some of the things I said did not come out the way I wanted them to, and perhaps I put things in ways I should not have. However, for the sake of closure (as far as this thread is concerned), I will just say that while people are free to do as they please, there are some things as far as relationships go that I do not agree with.

As for the rest of it, I feel this thread has run it's course, so please feel free to PM the rest. However, Knotts has always been my favorite amusement park. And I'm not one to decline experimentation. Also, I see what you did there. :P

An Ahegao is an involuntary facial response to an intense orgasm.

There's nothing 'disgusting' or 'sick' about it. O_o It is literally the same basic knee-jerk reaction, as, well... a knee-jerk, or your eyes tearing when you cut onions.

It's not a sexual act. It's a response. It's a fetish because it's an ego-stroke for guys to see this face, since it all boils down to their sexual technique being the balls.

So.. comparing preferring open relationships to essentially hearing you're a God in bed.. the two are completely unlike subjects and shouldn't be compared.

Alex, I didnt see this post yet, I went for the PM instead. But yeah, alright cool, lets leave it behind then. :)

Loli Kitteh, it sounded to me more like a sexual act really. Cut me some slack, I dont speak japanese alright. I am curious though, is this a hentai thing or this extends to real life? Have you for example had an ahegao, loli? I dont really get to see my face when I do so Ive no idea if Ive ever.

You don't have to speak japanese, ahegao is mentioned a lot on this forum.

Yes, I have. Several times. I've also gotten the giggles, and been 'dazed'.

When you have a very intense climax, your eyes roll back, and you feel 'stunned', or your mind goes blank.

I am new to this forum -_-

Really.

When I get an insanely intense climax, I pound on the bed or the wall if I'm close to it with my closed hand. Sometimes too hard I get worried about damaging things. -_- or making the neighbors think some sort of domestic violence is going on