Are interracial relationships a good or a bad thing?

Like you stated, youre from a country where interracial realtionships are an every day thing and everyone is used to it and supports it. Like said not all parts of the world are like that, some have decided to preserve culture and their own way of living, which cant be judged as wrong or right. Also to talk about race doesnt not mean that youre rascist, if saying facts that happen during interracial relationships in many cases makes me rascist, then I dont want to live on this planet anymore. I think that accepting an other persons race is an important thing, but some people simply dont because they dont want to be bothered by that. I can normally talk about the differences I and my girlfriend have due to race and culture, and it works out perfectly well as I'm not doing anything offensive, nor does she. I think you people should stop pointing at someone who states problems that can occur by differences of people, be it cultural and a problem of appearance, and start labeling him as a rascist.

It's hard to do that when you word things in the manner you do, ask the questions you ask, and make the rebuttals that you do.

Not really. I think you misunderstood me. I meant that BECAUSE I live in a multiracial country, I know the problem much better than you do. Multiracial relationships are hard to maintain due to the pressure from your family members and society. The younger generation, like me, don't find it much of a problem(most of the time) but the problem is with our parents and the rest of the older generation.

My mother even told me to NOT get a girl from a different race ESPECIALLY Malay. <_<;;. In any case, you have to understand that interracial relationship is only bad because of racism and discrimination.

I know there are many ways to disply this conversation so that it is more attractive to the eye of the reader, I might be rough on the edges, but if we take out the parts of the world that have interracial relationships as a normal thing, we get the result that these are facts that people have to face. I'm not trying to be biased on any side, what society does and how it oppresses is wrong, but its not like they do it for no reason, and it does strongly affect many interracial relationships. If my way of displaying that is a little too direct, thats purely cause my personality is that way.

Suprisingly enough, I come from a country that is not as multiracial and we have the exactly same problem, well parents might not represent as much of a problem as other fellow citizens. Basically in our case its pretty much the heritage and the way of living that is a little more conservative, while there are plenty of foreigners in the country, the difference makes it kind of like a division of citizens and foreign people, which do interact, but far less do they engage in a relationship. Its just the culture and its the way it is.

Also there seems to be a type of categorisation, listing the countries our country shares history with and some mutual heritage as most likely to engage with, to countries that have nothing to do with us as last. So basically even if there is an interracial relationship, its more likely to be with one of those countries we appriciate more than others.

Interesting. For my country, it is pretty similar. I guess discrimination and racism is everywhere, huh? I just don't get why they would be like that....

Anyway, conclusion is that interracial relationships are not a bad thing. Society and mostly other factors makes it bad.

Agreed?

Well I stated that the relationship itself is as neutral as it can get, but the surroundings make it a problem, as well as the relationship makes the problem to the surroundings.

Okay I've been trying to find a way to respond to this for a long time, and avoid giving a reaction based upon emotion, so here's what I have to say.



1. Okay, to be honest here I don't see how this is an issue of interracial marriage. Race often times has to do with culture yes, but one's culture has more to do with their environment than race.

2. If interracial relationships really become an issue within people born from parents in such a relationship then the issue seems to be racism not the relationship. My point is acceptance of children born into that kind of relationship would really only be an issue if it stems from a dislike of the race they were born from, and if that's the case it could have easily been not interracial and the element of racism would still exist if certain physical traits in the child were still prevalent.

3. And for your last statement in this section I still have to question why this is an interracial issue. I won't tread the same water from number 1, but to go further if lack of understanding due to culture is truly an issue then if the relationship to truly interracial the child should understand the cultures of both parent. Why would parent focus on the culture of one and completely ignore the other when they're in the culture of the one they're ignoring. This really should only be an issue if both parent are foreigners or a child was born from a foreigner, raised to a degree, and then a marriage occurred between that person and another within that culture. And if that's the case then no one's being born into it, it's just an example of someone needed to adjust to a new environment and has nothing to do with interracial relationships.



Okay look, this nation losing it's identity concept, I don't get it. People are naturally assimilated into a culture after a certain period of time within an environment, this once again having more to do with culture than race. If the new people cause changes in the identity then that should really only be an issue for those who care about the changes. Let's take the United States for instance, over time as people from varying cultures have moved to the country we gradually overtime have become a more equal and accepting nation to foreigners and minorities. A nation's culture or ideas changing because of other cultures influence isn't a bad thing. It's important for ideas to mesh together to create something better. No culture has it all right (not that I'm claiming you think that) and if new ideas from other cultures come in then the process is natural unless it's an example of imperialism where it's forced on the indigenous people.

Next the traits comment...okay...I really have to point this out. This planet is predicted to at some point no longer have white people. White people will be gone or scarce it's not definite which one. It's inevitable unless some sort of intervention occurs. Unless being white has some kind of intrinsic value to the person in question it really should matter. Honestly your comment hear reminds me of Tom from the Great Gatsby. He after reading a book titled Rise of the colored empire became worried about whites dating other races. I'm not saying you're like him but given the circumstances I couldn't help but draw the parallel in my mind. That being said, being white really has nothing to do with culture. White culture does not exist. Cultures with white people in them exist. That can be said for any race.

Okay to close this out I have to say one more thing. I used the word race uncomfortably in my response, but did it for ease of speaking here. Much like the word theory, our vernacular has taken the word race to not mean it's scientific definition and take on a different definition depending on the context. Race by science is used to describe a different type of animal(human in what I'm saying counts as an animal). As to say that a polar bear would be a different race than a black bear. The problem with identifying humans as different races is that we live in varying climates and geographies,we go back and forth between them often, and as a result of which our genetic shuffle is much more closely related than other more isolated animal groups. We often use skin color as our defining trait, but let's take me for example. Genetically I'm 80%-90% African, but my families skin color doesn't reflect it. We in our entirety are rather light skinned. That's because our skin color is controlled by several genes and doesn't correlate with genetic background. Someone genetically Asian can appear to be an African male, a person genetically African can appear to be European and any combination you can think of. In the end our race in most cases is what we identify as and not much else.

I guess in conclusion this is more of a cultural issue, not a race one, and I can't help but feel the only opposition would be close mindedness among a population.

1. Well it does have a great deal to do with race, culture that is. Basically like you said, culture is based on the environment. The citizens are the descendants of the people who created the culture, making it their culture, so nomrally we know that vikings werent dark skinned, had dark hair and eyes, but rather were pale, blonde with blue or green colored eyes mostly. That being said, of course it isnt neccesarry to look that certain way to assimilate with the culture, however society will judge it because it isnt his heritage. So basically the discrimination will be racial even if the person adaps in most cases, of course there will be even more problems if the person doesnt adapt.

2. That is right, the issue is rascism, however that racism comes from the existance of the relationship as I pointed out many times, making that also the problem of the relationship, since they are being disciminated against even if they have done nothing wrong. As for your second thought, youre wrong. The child doesnt neccesarrily need to hate one of his heritages to be disciminated against their physical appearance and can certainly not be accepted into a community although they have one white parent for example. People tend to discriminate against what they are not familiar with or what differs from them greatly, even if its based on physical appearance.

3. Sadly that is wrong too, for example, if the child was to accept both cultures, it would be fond of both. The usage of both cultures in a certain environment can also cause problems, beacuse it will use both cultures as influence on how it should act. Basically what happens is a mixture of culture which the child would practice, taking parts from both cultures and making it into one. Basically it can still be disciminated against for that. The optimal thing would be, if it used only the culture that is in connection to the environment, but that would mean that one of the cultures has to fall off, or rather be supressed. The worst case is of course the opposite of that. Basically with using a different culture there is a great chance that the culture of that environment will become less used or even go exstinct. That is basically the reason for discrimination.



First of all, youre taking the worst example for this debate, the USA like said before were based on different cultures and heritages. Other countries that actually have history and culture older than we can imagine cant act on the same principle as they lose actual identity and what makes them what they are. What you basically did is like saying apples and bananas are the same fruit and they should be eaten the same way. America had nothing to lose to begin with since it had nothing, the idea was to give people a "new start". Basically they started from zero to now, which is not comparable to cultures that are sometimes 4000-5000 years old. Basically what makes you thing that people HAVE to accept other people and respect them while those people come from somewhere else? While I do not support such a way of thinking, it is on the citizens of the country to decide what they do with foreigners. It is their own decision if they want their culture to change or if they want to mix their culture or adapt to someone elses standards. Basically what youre in favor for is the concept of globalization, the whole world becoming one where there is no difference. Who says that is right? Who says that is wrong? That is on the individual to decide, if a nation wants to be more conservative and preserve what they are, its their choice. So while no culture is perfect, it doesnt need to be, since there isnt really a right or wrong, its rather the people of the nation that decide that.

This is well put and makes me laugh how true it is, no sarcasm intended. If this goes on, the white race will certainly disappear. Genetics suggest that less pigmentation is less likely to be passed on to another generation. What makes me laugh is the second, "unless some sort of intervention occurs". Knowing humans, something will occur, since the problem is comparable to the problems germans had with jews, we will surely have a second Hilter coming in the future. If this next war will purely be political or not I cant predict. It makes me laugh since humans basically dig their own grave.

So yeah, basically it is cultural and racial, and both have a lot to do with two races mixing and both influence such a relationship, seeing that most of the people currently that commented come from the USA, it is understandable to look at it differently, but that doesnt mean that its correct.

I see this ass the biggest crux in everything. You see when giving my first answer I was answering on the basis or something being inherently wrong or good with the relationship. If we're going by this then the problem stems from the citizens and not the relationship itself. If that's the case then it's on an individual basis. Are the possible consequences worth it for the people involved? It depends, and by this the answer to this question can't be a flat yes or no.





With what I said this could very well be the answer or not.


The issues you brought up are only issues if the consequences of not rejecting it have intrinsic value to someone. At that point it seems like there are too many factors to properly give a fair answer. It really falls to the people in the relationship and the setting of there relationship. The same couple might not find it worth it in one place but another might not and vice a versa. I feel like the only way to properly answer this would be to go on a couple by couple and community by community basis.(I would have said country but in many cases even withing one country feeling can shift radically so saying country is a bit to broad.)


Also in regard to someone new cropping up Hitler esque.....hmmm....I can't say I agree or disagree on that notion. It's always a possibilty, but I think it would require:
1. A country of sufficient power to be the one it happens in
2. A country of that sufficient power to be in a state where they're willing to take the help of that person no matter what form it takes.


If this were to happen in a country that would be compltely out of its league in comparison to more powerful countries than I don't think it's ideas could reach too far beyond it's borders. Also a country of sufficient power tends to(and I say tend because there is not guarantee) be more modernized in attitude, so in most cases it would seem like some event would have to leave them prone to a shift in thinking....I feel like this as a possibility could be a good discussion for the serious discussion thread

As long as they are peaceful about it and/or not using it as justification for breaking laws why is them practicing a different culture such a bad thing?

Thats why I said that I leave the choice to the people that post if its worth or not, slowly im beginning to regret that decision though because obviously some would rather strike to the conclusion that I'm rascist or they give duplicate answers without thinking deeply about it.

While what youre saying is right, I wanted people to judge by logic and see the more objective side of this coversation, normally if you really love a person you wouldnt abandon then if its a racial issue unless its some extreme pressure from others. Basically it is logically possible to judge depending on an individuals situation without emotion in this matter. Like said its hard to generalize but since there are many people here from the US as it seems, the answers are pretty biased and some even attack me although im neutral from that standpoint. Although im pretty sure the negative sides are still a lot more common in this world than the positive ones regarding racial relationships. Relying on your mind in such kind of things can be useful since emotions arent of much use when you need to deal with a social problem.

About the hitler issue, the size of country doesnt really matter anymore, nor does manpower, its technology that will finish the buiness, of course its impossible for countries that have maybe no military feature, but like said it doesnt necessary have to be a war as we know it, it could be a political outbreak. Well like you said that isnt for this thread so yeah, lets leave it as it is.

True, however a certain culture also creates a part of someones personality and the course of actions as well. Its not just about breaking laws but about justifing their course of action by their culture, they should adapt to their surroundings, the citizens of a certain country do not have the obligation to take someone elses customs into consideration in their own country, it should rather be the opposite. Basically its like the tradition of wearing stuff that covers your face in the east, its a perfect example of showing no will to adapt at all and promoting your own culture. There can also be abuse by religion that has the nerve to claim that their people should have churches everywhere they can go to. I mean the country has no obligation at all to respond to such irrelevant needs of foreign people. Im not saying that citizens shouldnt cooperate to make the lifes of people easier who maybe are mixed or from another race, but they have no right to ask for it, its simply the countries will to do or not.

Here's where I believe the problem on this thread stems. I answered with the question of are they good or bad in mind. I guess you can blame this one on text, but when I hear good or bad in text it's going into a black and white area. What I mean is in my first response to this post I used the phrase "inherant value". What I meant by that is objectively there is no basis for either position of good or bad. Now sure I was never under the impression you were racist, quite the opposite, it's just that using words like good or bad at least in this case came off as right or wrong in many peoples eyes. Though at the same time I could easily say they didn't take into account your use of "healthy relationship" in the original post.(keep in mind my use of quotations in meant to quote and not to be sarcastic)

I guess I'll say my original response was more out of confusion than outrage. To me it seemed you were asking an objective answer by using good and bad, but at the same time asking a question that is ripe with variables and is nothing but subjective.

To further explain my original confusion allow me to one again dissect the original post.

One of the main issues I'd like to discuss about is how such a relationship messes up tradition and culture in most cases, acceptance of the children born from such a relationship by surroundings and how much harder it actually is to understand someone who's from a totally different culture.

Okay, here what for me was the relation here to culture and race. I understand how culture and race are often correlate with one another, but at the same time they always don't and I saw this as more of a cultural and racial. Your response basically voiced back that it was both. You see when reading this is came across to me that you didn't understand they aren't always the same. As if you thought being a certain race meant you were part of a certain set of cultures. To be more specific, when you said "such a relationship" it sounded like you were misinformed. The biggest issue here is the lack of separation between the two. By saying "such a relationship by surroundings and how much harder it actually is to understand someone who's from a totally different culture. " and sticking to culture and not bringing up racial tension came across as the lack of separation between the two when you go with the interracial relationship as a totally different culture.

"Such marriages make nations gradually lose their identity who are rich in culture and have their own special treats, which concerns mostly white people since their gene is the least dominant... So is it really a good thing? "

Now this part made me take a while to respond to. Once again going back to the good or bad angle here, the fact that I never thought you were racist, and the fact that once again I saw no separation between race and culture here I wasn't sure what to make of this. Matters weren't helped by "...So is it really a good thing?". It was actually made worse since I already read "Please no "love is blind and people should only follow their hearts" kind of comments" and "healthy relationships." All of that actually made responding properly take longer. I felt like I was getting mixed messages about what you were trying to say and ask so instead giving you my second response which is basically my real thoughts on the issue, I gave a wall of text.

Also, I promise to drop it here, but when I gave my two requirements for the Hitler thing, I was going by someone using Hitler tactics by taking over other countries with military and going to a widespread war. But seriously though, I promise I won't bring it up here.

Oh one more thing before you respond(assuming you do). Please understand I'm not trying to say you're wrong or this is your fault; I'm just explaining my first answer and why the second wasn't the first.

im going to have to say yes do to the fact that im a white male married to a native american female and it was a little difficult at first getting use to how different life was for them from how i was raised but now im accepted as one of them n even have a native name which i cant spell but it means white bear cuz im a big husky white boy lol but all in all i think mixing the pot is a good thing we need all colors to be just that ALL as in all of them with all of them weather its same with same or mixing it up like my wife n I

Not a bad thing at all. I'm in one now :) and on the different race front everything is fine

I don't think, I know it's a good thing. My girlfriend of 14months is Japanese, and lives in Japan right now. We met and started dating during our Sophomore year of college when she was an exchange student to my college. I rarely look at what we have as a interracial relationship even though I know it is. As a couple though cultural differences have never really popped up and created an issue with us. That is possibly do the fact she is interested in western culture as much as I am interested in eastern cultures. I never even point out that my girlfriend is Japanese when I talk about her, however when ever it does come up in conversation every now and then I get that weird, almost distasteful look. They never actually say anything to me, but I just get that vibe from some people, that they just don't accept it as appropriate. This mainly comes from the older generation. Some older people just are not used to it, for instance my dad thinks is awesome and is happy I found a cute girlfriend, my mom sometimes however I would get that vibe from, that has however died down a lot the last few months.

In summary, I'm in a interracial relationship, but I don't treat it any differently than I did my "regular" relationships, but society sometime does. I think they are good thing, and shouldn't even be called interracial, because at the end of the day its just a relationship. I believe as time goes on the term interracial will die out as more and more people are becoming open to the idea.

about culture gap, religion, customs, distance(either family or the couple themselves)
if they truly love each other everything can be conquered

the only 'bad' thing I can think about is if when they have children and they are "mismatched"(I cannot remember what is the term for that)

having a parent and a sibling in the medical field I have seen and heard a lot of cases of 'mismatched' parents of interracial union and their children were suffering some kind of sickness where the the child's blood has to be 'changed' (similar to an 'oil' change in cars, pardon me for the lack of examples to compare it with).
or their children having sickness that needs donors like blood, organs etc. its already hard to find a match in ordinary circumstances the chances are even slimmer because they have interracial parents.
some cases I've seen is where the woman's body is resisting their baby while she is pregnant. her body identifies their kid as a foreign body and therefore tries to "fight off" the baby.
in all of those cases some are successful some are not...

You along with another black males have argued the same thing. That you don't find black women attractive. I knew a girl (Somalian) once who argued against interracial relations for the following reason. She said interracial relationships puts black women at a disadvantage and there were loads on single black women that no one wanted.

This has a huge impact on black societies as most males being raised do not find black women attractive. The reason is clearly because the societies we live in never tell youngsters black women are attractive. Its a serious issue when you have shows popular among young males such as family guy that show black women as fierce, rude and difficult to get along with.

But the white women is obedient, lets the man chase his dream and is a slut during sex.

Next, I am not sure why people keep talking about genetics, none of you are scientists so please stop bringing that into the argument, lets keep this sociological.

For me a big issue is my parents. Yes they have discriminatory ideology but I'll marry a woman from my culture to make them happy.

OP you have the right idea asking a thought provoking question. It's a shame people on here cannot understand that you did not express a dislike for interracial relationships. But this is the world we live in people will read your words and interpret them to mean something completely different. It's as if they fail to take the literal meaning of the sentences, decide they want to put them into the context of the question and conclude that the OP has the opinion that they do not like interracial relationships. Some of you here need to sort your selves out! From reading the thread all you people who kept painting the OP as some kind of racist you really got your arse kicked in the debate. If this was a university level debate the OP won easily.

[align=justify][color=green][font=verdana]Does race even fucking matter?

I'm sorry, but why should race be declared a good or bad thing? Why not ask "Are homosexual relationships a good or bad thing?"?. You'll get the same answer. Race, sex, class, disability, religion etc... none of these matter during a relationship. If you try and turn it into some sort of ethical debate, then you clearly only care about the outside, and not the in.

I know you didn't express a dislike of interracial relationships or whatever, but just think to yourself "Will it sound bad if I ask this question?" before you ask questions like that.