Evolution

My fiancee doesn't believe in carbon-14 dating, fossil evidence, logical progression, heavy element half-life proof of the Earth's age or anything. Everything was created 6,000 years ago exactly as it is... Math, science, history, all invalid to her. She's threatening to break up with me if I don't believe what she does, very Christian of her "believe what I want or I'll hurt you". How can I argue that I'm entitled to my opinion with someone who doesn't listen to logic, evidence or common sense?

In accordance with your given information, this relationship isn't going to work.

The first two replies are correct - what makes you think you can make her see the light concerning your right to believe as you do when she simply closes her eyes to all evidence that there may be another possible exclamation? I'm afraid I have to agree that this is a doomed relationship with virtually no hope. Religion has a habit of rearing it's ugly side when kids come into the picture (and marriage as well, which may explain the current ultimatum) - from my experience, things will only get worse as time goes on.

Simple: You can't.

My advice: Dump her. She seems to be about to do that with you anyway. Me, I couldn't even stand being near such an unreasonable person. If you can, it's fine and a relationship could possibly work. But if she would break up over something like that, then there is no future to it.

Break up. The ideological difference is far too vast.

Also, it looks like she's imposing herself on you.

there can be 4 courses of action

>break up
>lie to her
>never talk about it again
>give her a dicking

Combine all 4 for bonus points

Schieße... Looks like I'm going to have to mind-crush her...

Too much differences + a too dogmatic girl = Nightmares for you.

Really, break up from her. If you really love her too much that you don't want to break up, then you must change into someone like her (which is most probably not the best choice, though).

Mind-crush her?
No, sir.

Ignorant zealots can believe whatever ignorant zealots want to believe.
You have about just as much of a right to squash and belittle her opinions as she does to squash and belittle yours.

My suggestion is to sit her ass down, stare her square in the eyeballs and say the following:

"I don't agree with what you believe in. I'm not going to. Ever. If this is going to be a fundamental problem for us, then I am more than willing to take my leave of this relationship now. Please understand I would have preferred to coexist harmoniously with you despite our conflicting beliefs, had you not pressed me to this point."

Amazing enough i believe in creation and evolution.. doesn't have to be at odds. A wise man said once, ' The bible isn't a scientific text of life and history, it's a book of tales and moralism. The fact we believe in god or Jesus doesn't mean we rode dinosaurs or a giant fish ate a guy and he lived in his bowels. That just Christian Flintstones logic.'

In 1996, Pope John Paul II stated that the conclusions reached by scientific disciplines cannot be in contradiction with divine Revelation, then proceeded to accept the scientific conclusion that evolution is a well-established theory. Since we don't know how shit works. All thing that can't be 100% proven to be fact is a theory. Gravity is a theory because there no facts in science.

Everything that needs to be said, has been.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Ugh, people like her is why the world laughs at Americans.

*facepalm*

Not much else to do really. Lollikittie perhaps said it best.

Heh, all that work and suffering to get to this point, gone because of the age-old science VS religion argument. Oh Darwin, you anti-cupid.

But on the other hand, you could sit her down and tell her this:

"I don't agree with your beliefs. We are both entitled to our own opinions, so how about a compromise? I believe what I want, and respect your beliefs and you do the same for me. Just because we believe different things does not mean it is the end all be all of the relationship. We can agree to disagree for the sake of being together."

If that doesn't work, then maybe she isn't worth it, and you should take Lollikittie's advice.

It's stories like this about Christians that totally breaks my heart.

Here are my opinions since philosophizing is a no-no

A. You make her read Language of God & Language of Science and Faith to make her see the error of her ways. That she can be a Christian while believing in evolution etc.

B. You make her read The God Delusion to make her see the error of her ways and by the title of the book, you get the idea.

C. Since she is threatening you, if you two can't move on unlike the other happily married people and couples that I have seen that have waaay different beliefs, just break up.

There are more than 7 billion people in Earth. Just saying

Break up with her. If she can't compromise then its not worth it

Strange problem ? For she has the same mind trip as a person going to church BEFORE they die the next day and they know it. Tough and I wonder if her booty is worth the mind ripping she is giving you.

I am also wondering if you questioned her faith before you slammed her < ya , I know women dont reveal things unless you ask first > Anyway , she will make you see her light and follow both of you to GOD.
Its your life , desires , booty , headaches and screaming. Good Luck.

Love the Family Guy quote there.

Your girlfriend is a moron for not only forcing her (rather narrow-minded) religious views on you, but also ignoring any contradicting evidence which proves her wrong and not respecting your opinion. This relationship is not going to work if she threatens to break up with you over something so trivial, and anyone who does is just trying to make themselves right by emotionally blackmailing you. People like that aren't worth your time.

At the risk of turning this into an I.B quality post, this image should this topic up quite nicelyy;

These. You shouldn't try to force her to believe whatever you (or most of us) like. If shes serious about leaving you over something like that, you should question how much you two are into each other. The easiest way to show you are entitled to your opinion is to ignore hers. When she tries to convince you of whatever she believes in just ignore her. Not rude or arrogantly, be calmly and naturally polite about it.

[font=verdana][color=green]I'm actually surprised this even got to being engaged, in all honesty. I mean, you'd think that in all your years together that this argument would have occurred before?

Overall, it's just a ridiculous ultimatum she's thrown at you. I mean, either way, you can't win. Either you swallow your pride and give in, resulting in bitterness years later, or you break up.

I'd say you dodged a bullet there... it kinda grazed you but nothing major later.