Portable android/robot girls, are they possible?
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I am not sure if this is the right area to post this, but if isn't then the moderator can move it to the proper area with my full suport.
I am sure that at least once every one of you have thought how nice would be to have your favorite model/garage kit coming to life, or in getting one of those cute and nice 1/6 sized girls/dolls that we see in anime and games every now and then.
Some examples are May from Hand Maid May, in her earlier days before getting her real life size body, the angels from Angelic Layer, the handheld persocons from Chobits, and any other character or 'item' that fits on this category.
What you think, can science produce those handy (pun intended) machines?
I know that I would like having few of them.
I am sure that at least once every one of you have thought how nice would be to have your favorite model/garage kit coming to life, or in getting one of those cute and nice 1/6 sized girls/dolls that we see in anime and games every now and then.
Some examples are May from Hand Maid May, in her earlier days before getting her real life size body, the angels from Angelic Layer, the handheld persocons from Chobits, and any other character or 'item' that fits on this category.
What you think, can science produce those handy (pun intended) machines?
I know that I would like having few of them.
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Since the original post is to make the question and explain it a bit now I will say what I think about the subject.
I believe that is possible to make moving dolls similar to angels of Angelic Layer, they wouldn't be as good and advanced as them but is a starting point. It would take several generations to make those dolls move so perfectly as we see in the anime.
One of the problems is balance, it is the oldest problems with statues, dolls and figurines that should stand in two legs, they usually need a third 'leg' or support to stand, or a large base when it comes to figurines and garage kits.
The second issue isn't all that bad since currently we have the technology to produce mechanical parts in very, very small sizes, so builing the endoskeleton and adding the 'mechanical muscles' inside an outer casing similar to the exterior of a doll wouldn't be much of a problem. But they would be very delicate an fragile, especially if they have moving fingers.
A third issue that I believe to be there is to add the remote control or internal computer to make them move, the remote control might be the easier one to make with the current technology, it would take practice but it would be possible to make the dolls move.
Since I am not familiar with the world of computers, I can't say anything definitive for computers of the size of a small marble or something like that, but it exists then there is the issue of making the program that would make the doll walk with balance, move, interact with the world and everything else, that alone would require a large amount of memory and procession capabilities, I am not sure if it would have enough space for their 'memory', in this case their 'living' experience.
But who knows one day we can make those wonderful little things as perfect as we see in the anime.
I believe that is possible to make moving dolls similar to angels of Angelic Layer, they wouldn't be as good and advanced as them but is a starting point. It would take several generations to make those dolls move so perfectly as we see in the anime.
One of the problems is balance, it is the oldest problems with statues, dolls and figurines that should stand in two legs, they usually need a third 'leg' or support to stand, or a large base when it comes to figurines and garage kits.
The second issue isn't all that bad since currently we have the technology to produce mechanical parts in very, very small sizes, so builing the endoskeleton and adding the 'mechanical muscles' inside an outer casing similar to the exterior of a doll wouldn't be much of a problem. But they would be very delicate an fragile, especially if they have moving fingers.
A third issue that I believe to be there is to add the remote control or internal computer to make them move, the remote control might be the easier one to make with the current technology, it would take practice but it would be possible to make the dolls move.
Since I am not familiar with the world of computers, I can't say anything definitive for computers of the size of a small marble or something like that, but it exists then there is the issue of making the program that would make the doll walk with balance, move, interact with the world and everything else, that alone would require a large amount of memory and procession capabilities, I am not sure if it would have enough space for their 'memory', in this case their 'living' experience.
But who knows one day we can make those wonderful little things as perfect as we see in the anime.
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I think in the next 25-30 years we will have the technical parts of developing such creatures down, right now motors are still in the development stages in order to get things like that online, the only thing we are missing after that is an AI, which scientists aren't entirely sure on how to go about doing that properly without making a monster or with the current amount of processing power of modern computers. The rest of the stuff is no big deal we can make a shell and skeletal structure durable enough to take most kinds of damage (see the original Game Boy, use better materials and add the other important parts) the only big issue after that is price building things outside of certain size categories is expensive. I'm not saying a fully functional gynoid(robot built to look like a girl)/android(robot built to look like a guy) will be cheap but making them small will still be expensive, and somewhat undesirable since they will break so easily, even when made out of Game Boy tech. Frankly I would prefer a full size gynoid/android like Eve from Applpegeeks, ok well maybe one that is slightly less dangerous, maybe an AnthroPC from Questionable Content(the only thing really questionable about that content is who raised those creatures, as they are bizarre.)
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Kais86 wrote...
I think in the next 25-30 years we will have the technical parts of developing such creatures down, right now motors are still in the development stages in order to get things like that online, the only thing we are missing after that is an AI, which scientists aren't entirely sure on how to go about doing that properly without making a monster or with the current amount of processing power of modern computers. The rest of the stuff is no big deal we can make a shell and skeletal structure durable enough to take most kinds of damage (see the original Game Boy, use better materials and add the other important parts) the only big issue after that is price building things outside of certain size categories is expensive. I'm not saying a fully functional gynoid(robot built to look like a girl)/android(robot built to look like a guy) will be cheap but making them small will still be expensive, and somewhat undesirable since they will break so easily, even when made out of Game Boy tech. Frankly I would prefer a full size gynoid/android like Eve from Applpegeeks, ok well maybe one that is slightly less dangerous, maybe an AnthroPC from Questionable Content(the only thing really questionable about that content is who raised those creatures, as they are bizarre.)In the AI is where it lies most of the problems, we have plenty of 'examples' of AIs that went out of control as the Skynet, the robots from I robot, Matrix. AIs are such a touchy subject as nanotechnology because their innerent danger if they go on rampage.
As much I would like having a life sized female android, I just can't cope with gynoid even being the right term, they can be very dangerous because their superior strenght potential, any kind of limiters and safeties can be removed or broken by accident or intentionally.
So 1/6 sized ones are safer exactly because they are frailer, their internal components can't generate or take the same strenght as their life sized sisters.
And of course that while they are frail, if one takes care of them as most of the anime fans/otaku does with their own models, they won't break easily. It all depends of the level of care that the owner has towards it. I know that I have an almost jealous care of my cell phone a Sony Ericson k310i, it might not be the newest or the best out there, but is mine and was expensive, not to mention my first real(not hand down) phone. But I am as jealous of my MP4 player, as most of my eletronic thingies, since I am not rich and can't replace them in the flick of a hat.
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Kaimax
Best Master-San
But the single thing that worries me in Android technology development is, When the Android have already surpassed it's program and overwrites it's priorities and start thinking it's more superior than humans and start conquering the world, like in "Astro Boy".
But I really wish I can still live to see that era, like in Chobits. :D
But I really wish I can still live to see that era, like in Chobits. :D
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Program humility in your sentient robots and it won't be a problem. The biggest issue with that is those are poorly programmed machines. They are prone to arrogance, bigotry, and outright stupidity, all of which are human flaws superimposed on those lackluster machines. You have to add in a program which reminds the robot that if we can build them we can take them apart, that doesn't mean they have to like it but it knocks that particular chip off of their massive metal shoulders. The better way of handling this is to program them, from the word go, a good sense of right and wrong. Eve (Applegeeks) is a marvelous example of such a machine, only real issue is that her world is kind of tame, were she placed in a world with super heroes and villains or things that she can handle, you get entirely different outcomes.
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Programs can be hacked. But I think that paired with other systems to limit the robots it would work fine. You don't have enough safeties in them. Some built in limiters would also be good.
What worries me is that the AI can interpretate part of the programing in ways that trouble us, once again I robot.
Maybe a joint of programed limits, as well a system that causes pain/damage/shut down when the robot tries to do something against the 'rules/limits'. But those systems would need to be independent, strong and have at least a second one to take over in case of the first one failing in any way.
As well a rule that prevents AI androids/robots or building other robots, since the one building can purposely ommit the safeties.
Lastly size restrictions, this is the ultimate safety, it is much harder for a 6 to 12 inches (15 to 30 centimeters) android to kill a adult human. While they can cause 'accidents', it is much harder for them to do so, they can't push us down a flight of stairs, and even using a string to trip us of the stairs might fail because their small weight.
Sure they can push not so heavy objects from high places, but that would require a long waiting time to get the oportunity, maybe long enough to the android's battery to go dead and need to be recharged.
Oh yes, I was forgetting, limited batteries, that is also a good safety, giving them a limited operational time, plus hard to reach built in 'sockets', maybe even a coded access to it might prevent a rise of machines.
What worries me is that the AI can interpretate part of the programing in ways that trouble us, once again I robot.
Maybe a joint of programed limits, as well a system that causes pain/damage/shut down when the robot tries to do something against the 'rules/limits'. But those systems would need to be independent, strong and have at least a second one to take over in case of the first one failing in any way.
As well a rule that prevents AI androids/robots or building other robots, since the one building can purposely ommit the safeties.
Lastly size restrictions, this is the ultimate safety, it is much harder for a 6 to 12 inches (15 to 30 centimeters) android to kill a adult human. While they can cause 'accidents', it is much harder for them to do so, they can't push us down a flight of stairs, and even using a string to trip us of the stairs might fail because their small weight.
Sure they can push not so heavy objects from high places, but that would require a long waiting time to get the oportunity, maybe long enough to the android's battery to go dead and need to be recharged.
Oh yes, I was forgetting, limited batteries, that is also a good safety, giving them a limited operational time, plus hard to reach built in 'sockets', maybe even a coded access to it might prevent a rise of machines.
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Machines. Will. Never. Rise. Up. Against. Humanity.
Think about it. Robots would be primarily pragmatic. What would they have to gain from wiping us out?
Robots do not sleep, do not tire, do not need food nor drink. A T.A.I (True A.I.) bot would instead focus it's energy on more important matters.
Like getting into space, securing clean, renewable energy, and a host of other things we can't seem to accomplish.
Machines. Will. Never. Rise. Up. Against. Humanity.
Think about it. Robots would be primarily pragmatic. What would they have to gain from wiping us out?
Robots do not sleep, do not tire, do not need food nor drink. A T.A.I (True A.I.) bot would instead focus it's energy on more important matters.
Like getting into space, securing clean, renewable energy, and a host of other things we can't seem to accomplish.
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Well sure a program can be hacked, but are you really going to leave an active ports on your robot? The idea is fairly simple, when you want to change the programming of a machine you have to first install a port with which to connect to it, then when you are done changing the program you simply pull the port out, making it take hours to get anything done, but it also keeps people from casually walking up and reprogramming your machine.
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As port I meant a entry for a power cable. But yes they can be also used for data. And on the coded part I meant that those ports, power or data only open when the user/owner opens it, using a password, voice recognition or other security methods to prevent tampering/hacking and unwanted accesses.
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Some robots don't really need security but their builder usually gives them additional protection anyhow, usually. I like the character Eve since she is an awesome example of well protected hardware/software. She is strong, tough, has a forcefield, holographic projector, plasma sword, and if you manage to get her when she is offline she can make her own programming barriers, which are very effective since the scientists couldn't manage to crack the first one let alone whatever else she had in place.
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So like Chobits.cute Persocom girls.having long blonde hair and a hmmm switch on and off button ah......somewhere.......
But the question would be if humans accept Androids or androids accept human.
After all Androids are robots that were human like.As for cyborgs are Humans that are Robot like.
But the question would be if humans accept Androids or androids accept human.
After all Androids are robots that were human like.As for cyborgs are Humans that are Robot like.
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Sinner wrote...
I don't know that Eve or Applegeeks. How tall is she?Cyborgs are cybernetically enhanced organisms, Androids are robots designed after male physiology, and may or may not be anatomically correct.Gynoids are robots designed after female physiology and are typically not anatomically correct (since it is a hell of a lot harder to get certain ports correctly while still maintaining structural integrity.
Considering the rate at which they would be introduced into society, I think most people would accept robots but there will always be Jack Thompsons out there trying to ruin everyone's fun.
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Yup.those kind that hate machines.It's like workers having no work cause of machine.that's usually the 1st cause why they hate em.
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I did watch some of the documentary of android development program especially the one in Japan. I think the main issue is getting past the 'uncanny valley'. Currently the androids creeps me out with their weird unnatural human movements not to mention the lifeless eyes that are looking at you.
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Temcor wrote...
I did watch some of the documentary of android development program especially the one in Japan. I think the main issue is getting past the 'uncanny valley'. Currently the androids creeps me out with their weird unnatural human movements not to mention the lifeless eyes that are looking at you.Eventually those kind of things will be solved. It is a fact that in the last fifty years things that were considered impossible were achieved with science.
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Kais86 wrote...
Sinner wrote...
I don't know that Eve or Applegeeks. How tall is she?Cyborgs are cybernetically enhanced organisms, Androids are robots designed after male physiology, and may or may not be anatomically correct.Gynoids are robots designed after female physiology and are typically not anatomically correct (since it is a hell of a lot harder to get certain ports correctly while still maintaining structural integrity.
Considering the rate at which they would be introduced into society, I think most people would accept robots but there will always be Jack Thompsons out there trying to ruin everyone's fun.
While I always thought that the fully anatomically correct android girls from anime and related stuff are something that we can't achieve yet. I recall a handful of doujins where a female android seemed to be equiped with a womb (if it works I don't know, it might be just for realism).
We cannot dismiss the possibility of cloned/artifical tissue being used on them as in terminator, or trully artificial tissue that feels, acts, taste?, works and has all the properties of real tissue (flesh, skin and everything else), as Multi and the other maid robots from To Heart.
I know To heart is a h-game or maybe just a dating sim I forgot, but if I am not wrong Multi is a valid target, so she has to be anatomically correct and to certain extent functional (as anyone with a healthy level of hentai exposure think, her fun and interesting parts).
Anyone with half of a brain cell of that maid robot company will easily think in other 'uses' for maid robots that some if not all male clients would have for them. It sounds natural for them to be equipped with fully functional fun parts.
And if not they can still be used in other way, blowjob, titfuck, handjob, and other kinds of using her body. I kind of wanted to recall the name of rubbing the penis between the buttocks of the partner, but that can be used to.
In the end anyone with hentai can find ways to make the most with what he or she has, check on Hand Maid May hentai, you will find more than few images and doujins of 1/6 May servicing Kazuya. And if the hentai has technical knowledege, he might customize his android/robot for personal use, or even start on a shop and make a fortune to make those changes for others.
I was forgetting, in Chobits, all the persocons are anatomically corret and functional too. The main character and Chii's boss comment of people having sex with their persocons.
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Sinner wrote...
Temcor wrote...
I did watch some of the documentary of android development program especially the one in Japan. I think the main issue is getting past the 'uncanny valley'. Currently the androids creeps me out with their weird unnatural human movements not to mention the lifeless eyes that are looking at you.Eventually those kind of things will be solved. It is a fact that in the last fifty years things that were considered impossible were achieved with science.
I agree on that though I hope it would not take too long....
On android for sexual purpose? I'm sure when androids have reached the level of high technology it would happen. Kinda reminds me of the movie Bicentennial Man where the android request one guy to make a male sexual organ for him and to add the feeling of pleasure of doing sex inside his personality chip, i think.