Random BS
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Likhos01 wrote...
I dislike fat peoples because they always sit next to me, crushing my fragile body between their gigantic mass of flesh and the wall.it sounds like you actually like it.
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Drifter995 wrote...
Futabot wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
It's because you are wrong. Jesus christ, get a roomIs dropping in a thread, repeating its title snarkily and then subsequently getting roped into a fun argument circus really considered witch-hunting? I don't actually follow him around. It did happen that this thread was super great and it was totally worth crashing.
I don't agree with his argument. You are very welcome to step in and take his place
You've been dropping in everywhere and making 'snarky' comments on his posts. You either need to bang, or admit you like him already. Jeez, you're so transparent
Also, your argument relies solely on the fact his argument implies it's a core argument, despite it not claiming it was, or was not. Nor showing any pretence or any signs that there was implication.
To be completely fair, if it was a core reason, he would have said 'One of the main reasons we blah', and not 'one of the reasons we blah'
As much as it's an outdated psychological point of view, having views passed down from parent to child is not uncommon. In fact, it's insanely common. It's how racism is still a massive thing. A lot of these things are passed down from their parents to their kids. Kids actions reflect very highly of their parents, and how they treat them/ have trained them. It is a very similar case with pets. More specifically; dogs. You can tell when a dog has a good owner, based on how it acts around people. If it's aggressive, or shys away from you, you can usually assume it gets smacked and/ or beaten. The same thing can be applied to children.
Now, to take that to the topic at hand, it may not be specifically mentioned as such, but, to be large, signals you have the coin to power the large upkeep your larger body demands/ you demand. So, in a realistic sense, you still see this. It's not uncommon for larger families (ie, a large mother father and son) to spend close to the $5,000 mark for food, due to their increased intake. Now, if you ignore that, and take on that the grandparents once witnessed a fat man, who was a wealthy cunt (for lack of a better word) and treated people like dirt, he would then pass onto his child that fat people are evil, and you should avoid them. And then through them, their kids (after the child has grown into an adult and had kids, obviously) would also learn of this. Not the reason of why, just that they are evil. During this time, they'd also go around the school, telling their friends, and they would observe, and probably then bully them, because kids are heartless assholes.
It would not be far off to assume it could be a core reason. However It's not, nor is it implied in the original post, under any circumstance. It is expanded on, as a theory. But it is not said in a sense to give meaning, or imply it is a core reason. Only that it could be one of many reasons of why people dislike larger people.
You're wrong, cuz.
You might want to check the ratio of the posts he makes verses the number of appearances I actually commit to. You'll find out that you're referring to a singular incident (which is flattering), as opposed to the alleged trend you're suggesting.
I disagree with the premise that my argument requires it to be a primary cause. As you said, it's out-dated. This state of obsolescence stems from the fact that the visual cue for extreme wealth has changed completely. Even as a minor explanation, it is coincidental because there's a polar opposite image that's prevailing and is actively adopted. Being fat is now a huge barrier to success/power, whereas before it was a symbol of success. Once we found out as a society that being fat could kill you, the idea that you're proposing doesn't work anymore and therefore doesn't influence people.
The problem with your analysis is that 1950's rich and spend-thrift McDonalds supporters are two extremely different categories of wealth. I acquiesce that fat hatred stems from a sense of dislike towards irresponsibility, but a hidden perception of actual wealth? No way. Your asserting that even despite being able to point out poor fat people, we somehow secretly acknowledge that they once had power is a large stretch.
Using canine behavior patterns doesn't weaken my point. On the same token, you can reinforce into children that being fat doesn't do anything for their well being. The same mechanics that you're putting forward explain how a negative attitude could be passed on, but it's not accounting for the reality that the reason why we dislike fat people changed entirely. Unless you think that the discovery of heart disease and other health risks was conjured up for the sole purpose of bringing down that class, I don't think the legacy lives on in terms of 'why'.
Just because a dislike towards fat people existed previous to the present doesn't mean that it follows the exact same line of logic. I would say, yes, there might be small instances where knee-jerk reactions to overweight folk may be attributed to a legacy of fat hatred, but to say that we've modernly internalized a fear of fat people from a power perspective doesn't seem correct.
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Renovartio wrote...
xhimitsu wrote...
Isn't the main reason Fat = Bad today, because of the medicinal knowledge we have obtained and that overweight people are more likely to get diabetes and other kind of diseases with is bad for their health?I'm not talking about the reason as to why its bad to be fat or why being fat isn't looked well upon.
I'm talking about the underlying hatred/ shaming of fat people.
Spoiler:
Look at the "Austin Powers" series or "The Nutty Professor". Look at "Get a Girl" manwha or "My Wife Is Wagatsuma-san" manga or "Bakuman."
You might say "Silver spoon" has a positive fat character. However she's highly intelligent and can go between skinny and fat really fast based on what chapter you're on.
Edit: Again I'm not advocating "Fat Positive" Bullshit. Being fat is unhealthy, no one is disputing that. I'm just pointing out something I noticed.
I see o.o I'll try to check those manga/manhwas out.
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xhimitsu wrote...
Renovartio wrote...
xhimitsu wrote...
Isn't the main reason Fat = Bad today, because of the medicinal knowledge we have obtained and that overweight people are more likely to get diabetes and other kind of diseases with is bad for their health?I'm not talking about the reason as to why its bad to be fat or why being fat isn't looked well upon.
I'm talking about the underlying hatred/ shaming of fat people.
Spoiler:
Look at the "Austin Powers" series or "The Nutty Professor". Look at "Get a Girl" manwha or "My Wife Is Wagatsuma-san" manga or "Bakuman."
You might say "Silver spoon" has a positive fat character. However she's highly intelligent and can go between skinny and fat really fast based on what chapter you're on.
Edit: Again I'm not advocating "Fat Positive" Bullshit. Being fat is unhealthy, no one is disputing that. I'm just pointing out something I noticed.
I see o.o I'll try to check those manga/manhwas out.
even with the fat stereotypes they're not bad. a lot of manga have a token fat person that is the protags friend. If you check out the list I posted earlier about the stereotypes you'll get what I mean.
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Renovartio wrote...
xhimitsu wrote...
Renovartio wrote...
xhimitsu wrote...
Isn't the main reason Fat = Bad today, because of the medicinal knowledge we have obtained and that overweight people are more likely to get diabetes and other kind of diseases with is bad for their health?I'm not talking about the reason as to why its bad to be fat or why being fat isn't looked well upon.
I'm talking about the underlying hatred/ shaming of fat people.
Spoiler:
Look at the "Austin Powers" series or "The Nutty Professor". Look at "Get a Girl" manwha or "My Wife Is Wagatsuma-san" manga or "Bakuman."
You might say "Silver spoon" has a positive fat character. However she's highly intelligent and can go between skinny and fat really fast based on what chapter you're on.
Edit: Again I'm not advocating "Fat Positive" Bullshit. Being fat is unhealthy, no one is disputing that. I'm just pointing out something I noticed.
I see o.o I'll try to check those manga/manhwas out.
even with the fat stereotypes they're not bad. a lot of manga have a token fat person that is the protags friend. If you check out the list I posted earlier about the stereotypes you'll get what I mean.
Ah I get it. I still don't think hating fat people or making them into such stereotypes are okay D: They are as human as everyone else.
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
Futabot wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
Futabot wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
It's because you are wrong. Jesus christ, get a roomIs dropping in a thread, repeating its title snarkily and then subsequently getting roped into a fun argument circus really considered witch-hunting? I don't actually follow him around. It did happen that this thread was super great and it was totally worth crashing.
I don't agree with his argument. You are very welcome to step in and take his place
You've been dropping in everywhere and making 'snarky' comments on his posts. You either need to bang, or admit you like him already. Jeez, you're so transparent
Also, your argument relies solely on the fact his argument implies it's a core argument, despite it not claiming it was, or was not. Nor showing any pretence or any signs that there was implication.
To be completely fair, if it was a core reason, he would have said 'One of the main reasons we blah', and not 'one of the reasons we blah'
As much as it's an outdated psychological point of view, having views passed down from parent to child is not uncommon. In fact, it's insanely common. It's how racism is still a massive thing. A lot of these things are passed down from their parents to their kids. Kids actions reflect very highly of their parents, and how they treat them/ have trained them. It is a very similar case with pets. More specifically; dogs. You can tell when a dog has a good owner, based on how it acts around people. If it's aggressive, or shys away from you, you can usually assume it gets smacked and/ or beaten. The same thing can be applied to children.
Now, to take that to the topic at hand, it may not be specifically mentioned as such, but, to be large, signals you have the coin to power the large upkeep your larger body demands/ you demand. So, in a realistic sense, you still see this. It's not uncommon for larger families (ie, a large mother father and son) to spend close to the $5,000 mark for food, due to their increased intake. Now, if you ignore that, and take on that the grandparents once witnessed a fat man, who was a wealthy cunt (for lack of a better word) and treated people like dirt, he would then pass onto his child that fat people are evil, and you should avoid them. And then through them, their kids (after the child has grown into an adult and had kids, obviously) would also learn of this. Not the reason of why, just that they are evil. During this time, they'd also go around the school, telling their friends, and they would observe, and probably then bully them, because kids are heartless assholes.
It would not be far off to assume it could be a core reason. However It's not, nor is it implied in the original post, under any circumstance. It is expanded on, as a theory. But it is not said in a sense to give meaning, or imply it is a core reason. Only that it could be one of many reasons of why people dislike larger people.
You're wrong, cuz.
You might want to check the ratio of the posts he makes verses the number of appearances I actually commit to. You'll find out that you're referring to a singular incident (which is flattering), as opposed to the alleged trend you're suggesting.
I disagree with the premise that my argument requires it to be a primary cause. As you said, it's out-dated. This state of obsolescence stems from the fact that the visual cue for extreme wealth has changed completely. Even as a minor explanation, it is coincidental because there's a polar opposite image that's prevailing and is actively adopted. Being fat is now a huge barrier to success/power, whereas before it was a symbol of success. Once we found out as a society that being fat could kill you, the idea that you're proposing doesn't work anymore and therefore doesn't influence people.
The problem with your analysis is that 1950's rich and spend-thrift McDonalds supporters are two extremely different categories of wealth. I acquiesce that fat hatred stems from a sense of dislike towards irresponsibility, but a hidden perception of actual wealth? No way. Your asserting that even despite being able to point out poor fat people, we somehow secretly acknowledge that they once had power is a large stretch.
Using canine behavior patterns doesn't weaken my point. On the same token, you can reinforce into children that being fat doesn't do anything for their well being. The same mechanics that you're putting forward explain how a negative attitude could be passed on, but it's not accounting for the reality that the reason why we dislike fat people changed entirely. Unless you think that the discovery of heart disease and other health risks was conjured up for the sole purpose of bringing down that class, I don't think the legacy lives on in terms of 'why'.
Just because a dislike towards fat people existed previous to the present doesn't mean that it follows the exact same line of logic. I would say, yes, there might be small instances where knee-jerk reactions to overweight folk may be attributed to a legacy of fat hatred, but to say that we've modernly internalized a fear of fat people from a power perspective doesn't seem correct.
Oh contraire. Not from what I have witnessed mon'amie.
You have failed to deny the passing down of ideology exists, which is a huge part of this, and a huge part of a lot of things.
Nor have you managed to accept that people see larger people as cake holes, and spend an enormous amount on food, which to a point keeps the trend happening. As I said, they spend a lot of money on food.
Also, being 'fat' isn't a bar to being successful or holding power. It never has been, and never will. Being obese would. But even then, there is nothing to stop you from being successful or powerful. How you get there relies not on your look/ health, but on your skill and potential. Take for example the government and larger business owners. A fair few of them are 'fat' and still successful and powerful. They aren't obese, but they have more money than sense. Take for example clive palmer. Rich as fuck. Successful in many ways. 'Fat'.
As said, larger people tend to spend more money on food, as is witnessed when they go to mcdonalds or something. In obese peoples cases, you witness them make a $100 order purely for themselves. And that is a lot of money, and you realise that. And you realise that is a lot of food. If they were healthy, they would eat 1/10th of that amount, if even. But no, they spend $100 purely on themselves for one meal of the day. Let alone the other three. Let's not forget second and third breakfast, either. It's hard to ignore that they spend a lot more money on food than others do. It's not far off base to say that it could still be a factor in some form. Obviously the rich society part has died off, but the spending of money on the food has remained. Because, let's face it. Food costs money, and larger people spend more money on food.
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Fat people aren't bad, lol. They are nicer and more understanding than skinny jerk off's like me.
This random BS gave me a though, guy dates a fat chick for the sole purpose of having her exercise and diet, eventually they succeed and now the fat chick wonders what the point of their relationship was..
Then she became a toaster.
THE END.
This random BS gave me a though, guy dates a fat chick for the sole purpose of having her exercise and diet, eventually they succeed and now the fat chick wonders what the point of their relationship was..
Then she became a toaster.
THE END.
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Drifter995 wrote...
Oh contraire. Not from what I have witnessed mon'amie.
You have failed to deny the passing down of ideology exists, which is a huge part of this, and a huge part of a lot of things.
Nor have you managed to accept that people see larger people as cake holes, and spend an enormous amount on food, which to a point keeps the trend happening. As I said, they spend a lot of money on food.
Also, being 'fat' isn't a bar to being successful or holding power. It never has been, and never will. Being obese would. But even then, there is nothing to stop you from being successful or powerful. How you get there relies not on your look/ health, but on your skill and potential. Take for example the government and larger business owners. A fair few of them are 'fat' and still successful and powerful. They aren't obese, but they have more money than sense. Take for example clive palmer. Rich as fuck. Successful in many ways. 'Fat'.
As said, larger people tend to spend more money on food, as is witnessed when they go to mcdonalds or something. In obese peoples cases, you witness them make a $100 order purely for themselves. And that is a lot of money, and you realise that. And you realise that is a lot of food. If they were healthy, they would eat 1/10th of that amount, if even. But no, they spend $100 purely on themselves for one meal of the day. Let alone the other three. Let's not forget second and third breakfast, either. It's hard to ignore that they spend a lot more money on food than others do. It's not far off base to say that it could still be a factor in some form. Obviously the rich society part has died off, but the spending of money on the food has remained. Because, let's face it. Food costs money, and larger people spend more money on food.
You actually need to spell out what events you're talking about then, because you'll notice he's the aggressor twice, semi-neutral by invoking my name once, and this thread is an exception to that trend. Just because I'm effective in being persistent doesn't make me mean-spirited, especially given how much my love has been spurned.
I did deny it. It has been replaced. You talk about failures in a very strange way.
Your obesity argument doesn't take into account how people actually think. That is detracted from other things and is often compounded into a sense of overall loss of value from that person. If we see someone drop a hundred on McDonalds, we readily assume the rest of their life is in shambles everywhere else. It contradicts perceived wealth. Nobody assumes that the extra 100 isn't coming out some other budget. If anything, that 100 bucks looks like several thousand in medical that people probably assume they can't really pay for.
Also, you have to remember that this argument is about how people perceive other people, not how people perceive themselves. Yeah, you're right, you can be fat and powerful, or even obese and powerful, but that's a non-issue in this argument because your platform is that people are responding that visual cue from yesteryear.