That's it. No more mister nice America!
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Burn the country to the ground and salt the ashes (that's the warning). The idea of using murder and violence to force people to give up their lifestyle and join some draconic, homophobic, racist and sexist fundamentalist system is unacceptable. Was this meant as irony? Cuz' you are actually stating the truth of what America are doing. Not defending the talibans, but America isn't really known for its equality or it's secular humanism either.
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
brought down an administration of murderers And replaced it with your own puppet one.
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
and gave the people the ability to enjoy democracy (albeit a fragile one).Thinks noone but the Americans themselves.
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Ethil wrote...
Was this meant as irony? Cuz' you are actually stating the truth of what America are doing. Not defending the talibans, but America isn't really known for its equality or it's secular humanism either.I have my own complaints about America and it's society. What the taliban and Al-queda did was wrong. America has it's own flaws too. Nobodies perfect.
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
brought down an administration of murderers And replaced it with your own puppet one.
Can't argue as I don't care enough about some sandbox in the middle east. If we installed a puppet then I hate the American Government even more. If we installed a legit democracy then more power to the people.
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
and gave the people the ability to enjoy democracy (albeit a fragile one).Thinks noone but the Americans themselves.
I can't even understand what your reply means. I'm probably over-thinking it. If your saying "only Americans think that way" then you are probably right. I don't really care about Iraq because I don't think we should be there. I'm an isolationist. Don't fuck with another nation's affairs until they start shit with us.
I wasn't supporting the war, I hate the neocon concept of spreading democracy at the point of a gun. Pre-emptive strikes allow the rabble-rousers to whip up support for invasions against people who wouldn't normally be a threat. As Gibbous said a while back "all wars are defensive wars" and he went on to explain that leaders use pre-emptive strikes in order to "defend" themselves against their enemies when really it's just a veiled way of being the aggressor and looking like the victim.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Ethil wrote...
Was this meant as irony? Cuz' you are actually stating the truth of what America are doing. Not defending the talibans, but America isn't really known for its equality or it's secular humanism either.I have my own complaints about America and it's society. What the taliban and Al-queda did was wrong. America has it's own flaws too. Nobodies perfect.
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
brought down an administration of murderers And replaced it with your own puppet one.
Can't argue as I don't care enough about some sandbox in the middle east. If we installed a puppet then I hate the American Government even more. If we installed a legit democracy then more power to the people.
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
and gave the people the ability to enjoy democracy (albeit a fragile one).Thinks noone but the Americans themselves.
I can't even understand what your reply means. I'm probably over-thinking it. If your saying "only Americans think that way" then you are probably right. I don't really care about Iraq because I don't think we should be there. I'm an isolationist. Don't fuck with another nation's affairs until they start shit with us.
I wasn't supporting the war, I hate the neocon concept of spreading democracy at the point of a gun. Pre-emptive strikes allow the rabble-rousers to whip up support for invasions against people who wouldn't normally be a threat. As Gibbous said a while back "all wars are defensive wars" and he went on to explain that leaders use pre-emptive strikes in order to "defend" themselves against their enemies when really it's just a veiled way of being the aggressor and looking like the victim.
I like your way of thinking. When you spell it out to me like this I can't say more than I wish that more people thought like you, at least some of it.
Basically it is like this; watch your own shit, do not mess with other countries shit and realize that no war you fight outside the borders of your country is ever a defensive war and can never be excused as one.
Oh, and also, supporting and fighting offensive wars is Not patriotic, while fighting to defend your country against an ongoing invasion is. I've noticed that many Americans do not realize this. Hell, when I'm at it, I can also say "no war is for the Greater Good", since that is also an typical American misunderstanding.
Just thought I'd mention those two, not referring to anything you said Fpod.
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
and gave the people the ability to enjoy democracy (albeit a fragile one).Thinks noone but the Americans themselves.
I can't even understand what your reply means. I'm probably over-thinking it. If your saying "only Americans think that way" then you are probably right. I don't really care about Iraq because I don't think we should be there. I'm an isolationist. Don't fuck with another nation's affairs until they start shit with us.
Yes well, I guess my Engrish failed me there, but you understood it correctly.
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mazda1024 wrote...
Right now this should be in the Serious discussion.. ^_^The point of random is to have a range, it allows posts like this:
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and posts like this:
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to exist in the same thread.
It's a tension breaker, some subjects (god, abortion, etc.) just can't be discussed without a fair amount of jokes thrown in.
By the way: this is what Random looked like 2 years ago. Good show, guys.
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Kind of Important
A ray of Tsunlight.
here, read these next two sentences carefully.
Fuck him, who cares what some guy thinks? Regardless of his position.
Seems like a big 'ole cry for attention to me, "hey 9/11 was a lie." translated, "pay attention to me again." He is the world leader version of an attention whore.
Oh yeah, the UN is worthless, cause it's too damn indecisive. It seems that they wait for the US to make up it's mind, then it's like, "yeah...what they said" Useless. Like many things, good idea in theory. But the execution leaves a lot to be desired.
Fuck him, who cares what some guy thinks? Regardless of his position.
Seems like a big 'ole cry for attention to me, "hey 9/11 was a lie." translated, "pay attention to me again." He is the world leader version of an attention whore.
Oh yeah, the UN is worthless, cause it's too damn indecisive. It seems that they wait for the US to make up it's mind, then it's like, "yeah...what they said" Useless. Like many things, good idea in theory. But the execution leaves a lot to be desired.
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I'm not even gonna put my opinion in here, everyone else wrote half an essay for their points. Make it sound nice, and all that stuff. I can't do something like that.
But I will say that Mahmoud Alijahmendnejdhsklfadhsiueyriljkwehed is not cool, one bit.
But I will say that Mahmoud Alijahmendnejdhsklfadhsiueyriljkwehed is not cool, one bit.