What Defines a Loli

So I was wondering, is it actual age (which is hard to determine) or just looks. Because in the anime Lucky Star, Konata turns 18, but shes still considered loli. Or is it by look such as short, small breasts, etc

It's usually the looks, but as a generalization, a "loli" would be a girl ranging anywhere from 8 years old to 16 years old. In my opinion, anyway.

Flat chest and no taller then four feet high?

Its all about the DFC.

No Pubes, Short, twintails, DFC etc etc.

That's the problem. There is no definition, which makes it really hard for those who enjoy and oppose lolicon to define what it is. Legally speaking, it's the depiction of any character under the age of eighteen. However, how does one age a drawing?

The generally accepted believe is lolicon pertains to anime characters who are drawn to look, or because they are, prepubescent. And I choose to look at lolicon the same way.

looks are what matters, not age.

I mean seriously... Etna from Disgaea is several thousand years old, and Dizzy from Guilty Gear is simply a mere three.

I would contest Dizzy's Loli status.

But- yes- it's mainly looks. An appearance of a prepubescent girl, or just, just budding. Generally childish looks, no noticeably hourglass figure, pubic hair limited to a few fine hairs, and usually nothing more than an A-cup at most (I wouldn't call Oppai Lolis true Lolis. Mikuru Asahina for example).

By those conditions, Toddlercon also qualifies- but that's a whole different area altogether.

(Lolis in this thread would include; Afroman's Avatar and Sig, TakuFox's Avatar, Tsurayu's Avatar, and KawaiinPunch's first waifu, Patchouli. Not sure about the girls in Zak's Avatar and Sig, but I'd assume so).

Here's how I look at it: "Real" lolis are girls who are between 7-13, "Pseudo" lolis are girls who are older than 13 but still have a loli body. I prefer real lolis over pseudo lolis.

This pretty much

any human-like personification appearing the age of twelve and under,may be deemed as a loli(con) with sexual connotation of affiliation.

i know how to sound like a dictionary OH YEAH

This question is flaw, there so many ways to define what loli is that it impossible to get a clear picture of what surmises as loli/shota/dfc. Like the poster above me wrote,

is probably the best definition to describe what loli/shota is, but how can we determine a doujin with a underage girl from a flat chested high schooler with out a clear statement of her age is.
An example Joy of family. One character when looking at her look like a child... a fucking 3 grader to me. They proclaim her has a 18 yr old shrine maiden even though she look like a character from Kodomo no Jikan and it instantly just good ol' DFC.
My rule of thumb is short, flat as a board, and if at school not wear a school uniform since most grade school have no uniform until middle school. i would add no hair doen there but of course 90% of hentai is clean shaven vagoo anyways.

"Fake" Loli (She has a son.)



"Real" Loli (She was a fourth grader)



Age only factor Loli (I don't know she's a 4th grader so wtf would you call this?)

Any female under the age of 18, technically, if you want the legal definition.

It's mostly judged by looks. It doesn't matter to the people that complain whether the character is 18 or 180, so long as they look underage, they will call it loli.

A loli is a girl around the age of 6-13 in my opinion and has to be short flat chested and have not hit puberty yet. thats what I think.

I define a loli by looks, since age isn't always known or they may look loli but not be loli age, vampires for example.

Agreed, I'm fairly certain it's purely the looks of the character, short, flat chested, etc.
In Wanko To Kurasou (visual novel) a character is about 30 years old, yet she looks like a middle schooler, and hence is considered the loli character.

Loli, one of my favorite genres. For me, it's all in the looks. I mean, there are still loli doujins around, but the character's age is over 18, making it legal.

I'm afraid that's not the legal definition either... in fact there's no legal definition of what a lolicon is, since it's not a legal matter, but of DSM classification:



http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/01/28/pedophilia-vs-lolicon-mental-health-through-manga/

The fact that there was excessive semantic drift around these word doesn't help either, so let's look at how we got here:

1. Nabokov's Lolita: the book depicts a man having an illicit sexual relation with 12 year old. She's clearly *pubescent*, so Mr. Humbert could be describes as an ehebophile. The word comes to be associated with underage (of consent) adolescent girls.

2. Japanese otaku adopt the word to describe all kinds of erotic manga & doujinshi featuring underage participants. However through semantic drift it is usually used to describe *pre-pubescent* or very early *pubescent* children, as Japanese works feature pubescent teenagers very often.

3. Western otaku copy this use of the word, but they extend it to include all participants not yet adult, even though this covers girls (and boys) over the age of consent as well as girls (and boys) below the age of consent but clearly pubescent.

Personally I use the word to refer to small children as Japanese otaku do.

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We can open another can of shitstorm, since we're talking about *drawings* not actual children and it's downright hard to tell what the perceived age of a drawing is.

This is because manga/anime likes to use composites. So your average manga/anime character will have oddly proportioned limbs, facial structure or curves.
Even in lolicon works the girls may often have flaring hips and a waistline that no child could ever posses as well as long legs one would find on a supermodel.

The fact that drawings also simplify a lot, and the feminine characteristics we find sexy (big eyes, oval face, petite nose) also described simplified drawing of children to a T.



Ages 00-05: You sick fuck! --> toddlercon
Ages 06-10: You pedophile! --> lolicon
Ages 11-15: You ephebophile! --> ?

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If you want to go with a legal definition though, the closest thing in criminal codes is having sexual contact with someone under the age of consent.

Pornographic works involving minors is another thing that's prosecuted, since their production involved either the exploitation of children of employing teenagers unlawfully. Possession and distribution are prosecuted as they create a demand for more production.

...what and what doesn't constitute a pornographic work as well as what does and doesn't involve minors also changes depending on the jurisdiction. In my country for instance a minor had to be directly involved in some way during production, so drawn works are not affected. In the USA with their precedent based law, even drawn works have been prosecuted even though no minor was directly involved in the production.