"Wrong" or "Right"?

And what rights don't women have today? The pay is nearly equal, excepting for the fact that Women mostly specialize in Labor work, whereas it's technological field that's getting all of the high pay, and even then you see more and more women succeeding in the technological field and getting started early.

'Sexist' behavior will continue to exist, just as there are still closet racists in this world. I'm sorry to say, and the civil rights revolution as well as Affirmative Action have proven that there isn't a law to be signed, not a statement that can be made that can ever close that gap.

Why can't you be satisfied that 60% of the country has moved in the direction that you want it to move in? Why does it have to be all or nothing? Your radical idea of a crusade is just as out of touch as anything I've ever stated.

I wouldn't have been subject to the same treatment? Depends, if I were born in a poor middle class family during those times, I still would've been thrown to the curb, especially since middle-class White Americans were aristocratic by nature.

And ya know what? That's perfectly fine. Here's some knowledge I'd like to impart on you: Nothing's ever perfect, ya gotta put up or shut up. And I choose to put up, I choose to climb the ladder no matter how difficult things may get. Because one day, I'll get over the hump.






To an extent, this is true. But why do we question and rebel against it? Is it because it's flawed? There are some flaws, some maltreatments. But what is exactly wrong with a male being courteous to a female? A female would like to feel self-dependant, but you yourself outlined how it's difficult for a female, hell it's difficult for humanity to do that.

That's why relationships are actually formed, Dia. Neither can do it alone, if a female needs a male's strength at times, a male needs a female's emotional support. I contend that the 'new age of reality' is far more grossly flawed.

The self-independence of women, your revolution has led to the loss of feminine qualities. Instead, you yourself have admitted that the sexual scene in the female world(IE: Prostitution, etc.) is unfortunate, but due to economic restraints has become a reality.

You contend, that a woman should have the 'right' to sell her body, but you in the same breath admitted that you wouldn't want to. Humanity itself, should never devolve to a point where we're merely flesh.

If the feminists are serious about their revolution, they'll start not by revolutionizing their gender, but upholding some of those special qualities that only a woman possesses. You can call that sexist if you like, but see if a male has those qualities? Very few, if any do.


I consider myself a feminist, since I actually want these feminine qualities to remain and not be butchered by your idea of 'progress'. We are different, that's a fact and there's nothing to be ashamed of. The differences should be embraced.

I'll just throw my hat in with the "no problems here" message. I do agree that in a society that asks for equal treatment/fair standards the amount of gender roles ingrained in the media and people's beliefs feels pretty staggering.

As Alex said, yes the woman can be the bread winner (I know in the case of my parents that this is true.). Women can absolutely ask a guy out on a date and I think it is a good thing, same with marriage. Whatever works should be how things work in the modern day imo.

On that debate between Dia and Agnel...oboy *backs away* Everybody duck for cover T_T. So on the topic at hand...yes lets get back to that. Any other people wanting to pitch into that conversation?

Ever try to take two magnets and try push the two opposite sides together, only to watch them force each other apart?

That's what debates between Dia and Angel remind me off. They're the two magnets, and the topic is the person trying to push them together. You know they'll never agree to connect, but it's still interesting to watch them try.

I'm wondering if it's a question of pride, from your friend's stand point?
Hear me out on this one.
Due to her old-fashioned beliefs of males being the dominant role in a relationship, I feel that she holds in high regards the concepts of "alpha males". That's also just basic biology, with sexual selection and all that good stuff (fittest, dominant males will give her the most successful children, etc).
Maybe she's afraid of being seen with a male that is considered submissive. In our society, unfortunately, submissive males tend to be labeled as "pussies" or "being whipped". And I use the term submissive very loosely. Listening to the wishes of your female partner and holding a great deal of respect for her does not make a man a pussy, and anyone that disagrees is a douche.
So maybe females like herself are worried about what other people will think if they're seen with a guy like that. Stupid, but it is a thought.

I'm sure males that have such old fashioned beliefs like your friend have their thoughts on the matter, but I tried to make sense of this from a woman's perspective.

That being said, I like when guys are a good mixture of submissive and dominant. It's all about playing your cards at the appropriate time. B) Male or female, I don't care who takes the more dominant role in a relationship as long as it is a healthy and loving one. /cheesy

I am secure enough to not be bothered when a woman takes the lead. also i'm lazy. a relationship where i have to think for both of us gets real old, real quick.


i don't see why anyone has to be dominant. why can we not both be equals? open and honest discussion is the key to a successful relationship.