Abortion

First reread the last sentence.

Second she is not guilty because the baby is part of the mother, as I've stated many times in this discussion.

If the baby is part of the mother its more like suicide...

I'm saying that a mother has freedom to do what she wants with her body and that baby is fully linked to her and essentially part of her.

Also I meant reread the post you quoted as it was edited.

Siamese twins are linked in a similar scenario, but the twins are fully reliant on each other not one on the other.

Considering if one was fully dependent on the other, I would say perhaps. In a uniform manner like abortions are done.

Who said I believed suicide should be illegal? Law doesn't constitute my opinion.

For example: ABORTION IS LEGAL, meaning you agree that it should be legal...

Also, it serves as an example that murder is different then suicide. Its not exactly suicide either I just said more like.

I also ask that you stop finding one point in my arguments to exploit, consider the statement where I said that its debatable and these lines are chosen to be most beneficial to everyone as a whole/in America. They shouldn't go by your absolutist values where one law or value should be consistent with all cases, like saying killing in self defense is still killing.

Also read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_views_of_suicide It is essentially not illegal to commit suicide, only to assist.

I am fine with suicide and self mutilation, penalties should exist as its not healthy to do, like for example the price and requirements placed on abortion. Thought the penalties should obviously be different, as one is unhealthy towards ones wellbeing while the other one isn't healthy when considering keeping the species populated.
Actually if you read the link, "In the United States, suicide has never been punished as a crime" Hardly constitutes a widely viewed crime.

I along with quite a few nations believe that drugs should be legal to use but not to distribute, also suicide can hardly compared to drugs. K so whats your justification that this stereotype applies here?


Its law, but its hardly enforced, its a common law from Old England, your not going to jail for attempts on suicide, its only in cases where your mentally unhealthy that any action is taken(still not a crime), which makes up most of them... except perhaps abortion if it can be considered as such. Because the mother is trying to consider her future, alive and as healthy as possible.

Also read please: "By the early 1990s only two US states still listed suicide as a crime, and these have since removed that classification. In some U.S. states, suicide is still considered an unwritten "common law crime," that is, a crime based on the law of old England as stated in Blackstone's Commentaries"

No read the link, it includes attempted suicide. Also its great that you continue to find one point and ignore all the rest... its really awsome.

How many people do you know have gone to jail for suicide?

I'm sure you have heard of those that go to asylums or institutes. That is not related to their "crime" but their mental health.

Read this if your still don't understand, it states more clearly: http://law.jrank.org/pages/2180/Suicide-Legal-Aspects.html
"Modern American attitudes toward punishing both suicide and attempted suicides are similar to those expressed in England. The English Suicide Act, 1961, 9 & 10 Eliz. 2, c. 60, s. 1, provides that suicide should no longer be deemed criminal."

It depends on what state and other related factors, the majority are in the view point I have suggested however.
All states no longer list it as a law, but some use the common law variant and its still a minority.
Many of those links support this, and some of them are outdated or simply totally unreliable. Lol I liked the link to a forum post. The law did and does exist to a lesser extent I never denied this, just that it wasn't a commonly supported law and it was a changing law.

Frankly I would consider abortion closer to self mutilation(Don't bug me about it I said abortion was closer to suicide then murder, now I say more like self mutilation then suicide) because the host is still alive to say that she was willing. I'm not sure of the laws related to assisting self mutilation or confirmed assisting suicide, but I am fine with that... the main reason (for me anywayz) against assisting suicide is that it cannot be proven. I confirm that it is pretty illegal though.

The main difference between suicide/self mutilation and this however is that it actually is beneficial to the mother depending on the context, which is why I would compare the "suicide" or "self mutilation" relation to any surgery.

Disturbing images don't take away from the logical and rational reasons behind abortion.

They only to service disrupt people that are easily shaken/never had experience with the subject to begin with.

I liked your old avatar more btw =[

Also, this goes back to the "real people" argument and I've stated that a baby before 15 weeks isn't conscious and thus doesn't desire to live or not to feel pain... pretty much just like a dead person.

Many things are disturbing that are beneficial, surgeries generally look brutal and most can't stomach them.

Also pictures display the emotional aspects better then the logical ones.

Brutal things can be disturbing, was just trying to give more terms and not sound redundant.

I don't want to argue semantics.

Who is Boo and who is Clare? Do you have multiple personalities?