Adding Lithium to public drinking water

Do you have any violent tendencies? Do you feel like your impulses have gotten in your way of life making it a burden and they need to be controlled?

Are you manic, or have major depression? No? Then why do you need it?

Don't give it to everyone if it's not something they need. Make it available for people who do need it, hell bottle it up and give it to violent prisoners.

I don't need a government to tell me what I need for 'the greater cause'

It does sound all very "1984".

And I can’t say that I agree with it, they're just treating the symptoms not the cause, simply because it’s cheaper.
Governments need to focus on why these things happen, for example in the UK most crimes are committed in local estates, and in these places leisure activities are rare, so the kids take to crime to stop being bored.

Solution?
A: spend quite a bit of money and build some centres, help prevent crime for many generations.
B: Add a element to water, hope all goes well and try to forget about potential health risks.

No what im saying is... you have a choice beyond 'i have to drink the magical bi-polar kool aid'. Every time you turn on the water tap, your taking a chance of some happening.. 99.5% of the time it just plain tap water clean by your local water people using chemicals to kill eveything in it good or bad. A good part of the time the chemicals are filter out and bleach with that big uv light source thingy. Other .5% of the time are the shit that you see in the news of flammable water and chloramine toxicity, Heavy metals: arsenic, copper, iron and lead, Volatile Organic Compounds (VOC): pesticides and herbicides, Fluoride, Bacteria, Pharmaceutical drugs and plain ol shit in your water supply.

It's not like i supporting the mass dosing of American with a drug that petty much make me go numb inside and made me emotionless to the point i can even care about people dying. I'm just saying it won't happen if you don't agree with it and went it's up to the voting phase in your area.. vote it down or choose a different water sources.

I hear " i don't like it and im pissed", but i don't hear " i'm going to fight it, by any means necessary". Were free people, protest, petition, voice your opinion, post on a blog your voice on it, get the word out to others about the dosing of mind killers in people's water supply. Our country was created on a protest.. a protest about a tax and wealthy pricks who didn't wanta pay taxes, but still a noble endeavor into a new form of government.

After reading the article i just can't stop thinking how every goverment in this world would never wanted to try the easiest think to stop criminals but instead put some blames or reason toward something which is not yet proven(Example: This case,Japan banning hentai and my own country banning gambling)


In the end, the easiest way to reduce criminality is of course by increasing the living level of the people as no people in the world would resort to criminality if they are not pushed to the brink of no hope. Also ask family and each citizens of the country to give attention to this kind of criminality thinks. It is this kind of thinking" If it is not my problem then why should i care?" which causes criminal problem to increase.

Helping each other who is in need and looking each other back so that when problem cames each of us could help each other would be the best solution for this kind of case. Not like some kind of XXX chemical inserted to our drink so that we become "good"(or stupid so that in future the goverment could make this kind of nonsense again and trick us?)

There isn't enough research on the subject, since the studies done were mostly cross-sectional and not longitudinal, but what if adding lithium does prevent crime for many generations? I wouldn't be opposed to it being a part of the solution, along with building centres or addressing poverty and income inequality.

So no one else thinks we should grow large trees to reduce crime rate?

That is the key right there. Forcing those or misleading those who do not consent to the addition of Lithium to their water is morally, ethically and legally wrong and a violation of natural rights.

The "municipal water source" is owned by all the legal residents of that municipality. Legitimate Governments can only act if 100% of those governed consent to the action. To do otherwise is a violation of the natural rights of those who are coerced into drinking tainted water. Even if one side has an overwhelming majority of 99.999% support. You can not violate the rights of that final .001%.

Why not? Trees are cool. More trees would be good for many other reasons anyway, not just to reduce crime rate.

Ever heard of democracy? You don't even need 99.999%


Also, taxes are essentially a way of forcing people to pay for things that they may or may not want, so that kind of falls apart.

And finally: There are no such things as RIGHTS. Everybody and their uncle preach and scream about all the RIGHTS that they have that nobody can take away from them. What people don't understand is that you only have PRIVILEDGES. A RIGHT is something that cannot be taken away by anyone.

A right to life? It can be taken away by murderers.

A right to property? Thievery is one of the most common crimes.

A right to the pursuit of happiness? Only so far as the general consensus of morality decrees you can act in pursuit of your happiness before it becomes "wrong" or illegal.

And it sounds petulant and hypocritical to whine about someone putting some lithium in the water supply and "making" you buy bottled water when most people don't even have that much in the first place.

I am not saying I support this case because I think the government should be able to do what it wants to our resources at will. (That would be a repugnant stance.) I support this case, or at least don't find fault with it, because it was a seemingly successful experiment that garnered clear and usable results.

I apologize if this ends up coming across disjointedly, but I had like a 2 hour break between writing the first and second half, so my train of thought may have been muddled. If anything needs clarification or deeper analysis, please let me know.

People will still commit crime when they have nothing left no amount of chemicals will change that unless you outright incapacitate them.

By the way, I'm with Grover. Using "but the government could twist that for evil purposes" can be used to disallow anything and everything. Which is why we should plant large trees! How can the government use that for evil?

I idea of this appalls me.

This reminds me of the Broken Window Theory I read up about a few years back. They said criminals are less likely to attack a place that's more cared for. Let's say a criminal was thinking of a place to attack. His option would be a nice place with bright lights, clean, lots of trees, or a place with broken windows, graffiti, trash everywhere. The criminal would pick the broken windows place. I honestly like that idea better, make the world a cleaner and nicer looking place and in return crime would go down instead of putting Lithium to public drinking water.

http://www.suffolk.edu/34417.html
Link if anyone is interested.

This is more or less a fake controversy. There are a few, fringe scientists who support water lithiation and no one else. People are 99.9% against it being put into drinking water, and perhaps even more damning to the prospects of it ever happening, there is no profit to be made by it whatsoever, thus no lobbying efforts (Unlike fluoridation of water, for example)

So I mean, the article may as well be called "A Modest Proposal" for all that it is worth. Should we also debate baby murder and consumption? =P

>Makes up random statistics.
>Super cool story bro.

I think that most of this thread isn't about lobbying for or against putting it in water in the future. I, at least, have been treating it as a debate on whether or not this one instance of it actually happening was right or wrong.

If they cared to read at least the last few posts, they would know that, Grover. It's just they don't care.

TREE TIME!