banning criticism of islam in the U.N and UK?

ok guys what do you think of this situation?

http://europenews.dk/en/node/13092

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_zZGS1ZQuw

Also how do you feel about Islam in general? Can we call the enemy the enemy or will we perish trying to be TOO FAIR to a people who do not deserve it?

...Did you just refer to Islamics as 'people who do not deserve it [fairness]'?

Or am I taking this out of context because I haven't watched the video yet?

I asked are we being too fair It is a legitimate question. Why are our values inferior to theirs? Why is it that these people demand so much respect and give so little? These are very important questions.

Personally, I say respect should be earned. If they give so little respect then they should recieve little respect. Now having said that, I'm gonna check your links.


Ok, after watching the vid, and reading the artical, I can honestly say....FUCK THIS BULLSHIT!! I can't believe I'm agreeing with anyone on the 700 Club, but the English are taking political correctness to absurd levels. So it's ok for the Islamic people to hate all of us "imperfect" people, but if we say anything we get branded racist. This is a perfect example of these fucking double-standards that enrage me. England is pretty much inviting Jihad (or however the hell it is spelled) right into their backyard. Now that i've gotten that out of my system, I do know this isn't ALL muslims. I realise this is being caused by the extremist groups, but still (and I'm pretty sure most non-extremist muslims will agree) this is bullshit. If you immigrate to another country, you must respect their laws, and customs. By no means am I implying that they should totally disregard their own customs, but they shouldn't be allowed to come into another country, and advocate violence, commit "honor" killings, etc. I hope you guys understand what I'm trying to say here, and know that I am not bashing muslims, or the English in any way. I just feel that this is wrong in every conceivable way.

I believe political correctness will cause the downfall of western society. The wake up call is in front of everyone. Read the book Al-Zarqawi: The Second Generation of Al Qaeda. by Fouad Hussein.

And this

http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/rob_nothink.htm

On top of that the quotes from various people.

Dalil Boubakeur- "Freedom of experssion stops at the point at which it does damage and Muslim community feels insulted"

Muslim Cleric Omar Kari Mohammed- "We will use your democracy to destroy your democracy"

Mohamed Elhachmi Hamdi (Editor in Chief Al-Mustakillah)- "The heart of the matter is that no Islamic state can be legitimate in the eyes of its subjects without obeying the main teachings of the Sharia. A secular government might coerce obedience, but, Muslimes will not abandon their believe that state affairs should be suvervised by the just teachings of the holy law"

Dyab Abu Jahjah (Arab European League founder)- "We do not want to assimilate. Assimilation is cultural rape."

Imam Zaid Shakirs (American Muslim Leader)- "One day the United States would be a Muslim country rules by Islamic law, not by violent means, but by persuasions."

Abu Qatada- "Muslims' target is the West. The conquest this time will not be by the swords but by preaching and ideology."

Dr. Ijaz Mian- "You are in a situation in which you have a state within a state, until you take over. But until this happens, you have to preach, until you become such a force that the people will just submit to you, hands up, until you become strong enough to take over."

Sheikh Ibrahim Mudeiris- "we have ruled the world before, and by Allah, the day will come when we will rule the entire world again."

Anjem Choudary (addressing a crowd in Lonon) "Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment"

In America we are told that if we see something suspicious then we are to speak up but, nowadays if we do speak up about anything you and you are wrong then you are paraded around by the media for being a racist. Lets take the infamous "Fly Imams" controversy. Several men were acting suspicious and yet when passengers and crew became concerned and did something about it. The first thing out of peoples mouths were that they were all racists or ignorant. In the end the imams even tried to sue U.S. Airways. The "suspicious" activities they did were

* The imams refused to sit in their assigned seats. Instead, it is claimed that they fanned out in the cabin, sitting in pairs close to the front, middle and rear exit rows.

* Shahin and the two imams seated in Coach Row 9 requested seatbelt extensions (a strap with large metal buckles normally used by obese individuals to lengthen their seatbelts) even though flight staff say none seemed to need it. They then placed the extensions on the cabin floor in front of them instead of attaching them to their seatbelt.

* Three of the imams travelled with no checked baggage and one-way tickets.

* According to a nearby passenger who spoke Arabic, the two imams sitting in the back of the plane, while speaking to each other in Arabic, mentioned Osama bin Laden and condemned America for "killing Saddam".

That suspicious behavior got people concerned and yet they are accused of being racists and discriminating against Islam. I don't give a fuck what religion you are. If you are acting suspicious enough I'm going to speak out.

People claim that "Islam is a religion of peace".I agree, it is religion of peace, through violence and intimidation though. People also claim that "Violent Muslims have hijacked the religion" Seriously guys? Remember the Danish cartoons? Muslims were calling for beheadings, giving death threats to people associated with the cartoons let alone all the violence that flared up because of it. If this religion is so peaceful then why are you getting so upset? Christians are ridculed, attacked, etc, etc. Do you see violent protests, calls for murders,etc? Just to do some math

Jesus figure soaked in urine: OK
Koran in the toilets: Not OK
Elephant dung on the Virgin Mary: OK
Newspaper cartoon of Mohammed: Not OK
Calling the president of the United States a terrorist: OK
Suggesting that some Muslims might be terrorists: Not OK

Muslim clerics make public speaking to huge crowds, Muslim schools have been documented to promote anti-western views. How about the 751 Zones Urbaines Sensibles in France? These "lawless" zones the only "Rule of law" is Sharia law. There are even a few of these areas in Britain. This proves that they do not want to assimilate into the various cultures but, instead to replace our way of life with theirs. This whole Sharia law business is ridiculous. If religions laws can trump all other laws then it doesn't take any stretch of the imagination to think of other groups that would abuse that. Think of how many groups out there would use the excuse? Don't even get me started on "Honor Killings".

While various "Muslim" countries and Muslims aren't like that and in no way am I saying ALL Muslims are like that but, a vast majority are and I come to this conclusion because; out of the few hundred "radical" clerics and "extremists" that I have heard speaking out. I have heard only a handful speak out against the violence and I don't mean making some anonymous post on the internet but, actually out there in person. (I'll give you a hint. Its less than the number of digits I have on my hands)

I agree, if Muslims did take over, people like myself, penguin, and just about everyone else in the world that won't submit to their culture. would be executed, for that reason alone. This is a problem that needs to be adressed immediately. Otherwise we'll find these extremists waging their "holy" war on our home turf. However, if this is to occur, and they make their attempts to take over by preaching, I feel pretty sure they will immediately be run out of this country, but this causes a whole new set of problems. There's no way to discern the extremists from the regular Muslims that are peaceful, this would lead to prejudice against peaceful Muslim sects.

I think banning criticism in anyway is complete and utter bullshit.

Being the lazy ass I am, I haven't looked at the article, the video or most of the posts made in this thread.

But just from what the title says and your first post.."BULL FUCKING SHIT"

Criticism is a personal right, if I don't like you and I think your hair looks werid, I will think so. If I'm a douchebag, I would come up to you and say "Man, yo hair is fucked up bro." but that's my own personal issue.

Islam can fuck themselves, quit being such a fucking pussy to the point you have to get your government to band criticism, what the fuck is that shit?

Sorry for my language, but what is the whole point? Its like the White-Black thing in America. We know racists exists, what do we do? Nothing. Nobody cares. That's been abolished a long time ago. What we have now is personal belief.

Meh, I'll go read the article sometime later and read over the rest of ya'lls post and actually write something here that has to do with Islam and the whole UK thing with Islam.

I respond to your comment as follows.


illumi the video is about the U.K

Well the reason I called you out on this is because you worded it in a way that made all Islamics are bad. Sure, there are quite a few extremists who are *really* extreme, but there is still the majority of regular Islamics. Your line of 'a people who do not deserve it' sort of irked me.

I know this doesn't relate too much to what the U.N. and U.K. are doing. And as other people say, it is a bit of an outrage. It's like saying, "If you follow in the Islamic Extremists' footsteps, you'll get unnecessary rights as well."

The problem with that is, there are already preachers on American soil. Such as Imam Zaid Shakirs and others. There are already documented cases of sleeper cells in America (Like the one that was foiled in Florida in 06 or 07). You are correct though, I would be executed for not submitting. Is it morbid to take pride in that fact?

Normally I'd find these sort of things funny, but this happens to be something that really bothers me. This is a very serious issue, and very well could end up being the cause of World War III. The problem is: the Muslim extremists aren't afraid to use nuclear weapons, and if things continue the way they are now (referring to the double standards and all) the free people of the world won't stand a chance. However, I can't see the majority of people just lying down and accepting it.

@Penguin: No it isn't morbid at all. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.

everyone has the right to be made fun of and ridiculed, no exceptions

You also forget to mention. Using civilians and religious buildings as shields and hideouts (if you bomb a mosque to kill terrorists then you'll cause a PR backlash). Not to mention using women, children, and the mentally handicapped for their suicide bombs. On top of the fact they hold no restrictions on the use of biological weapons.

Dammit, I can't believe I forgot to mention that. thx Penguin.

Well actually the majority of Muslims pray for our destruction. This is because it is in their religion to do so. It says in the Qur'an that those who kill infidels (you and me) are going to be rewarded. There are very few Muslims who want peace with us. They are also taught to lie and steal from us because we are inferior to them. The extremists you mentioned are actually those the follow their religion to the letter. The thing is that most of them know you can't beat the west with bombs so before you jump on the defend them cause they have not bombed you yet train you may want to do some research. (like i did kinda wish i had not due to the incredibly scary truth)

In light of what you've said, I'd need to read the Qur'an myself. Which I won't do, because I'm aversive to religion,.

Did you read the artical, or watch the vid?

Just a question I like to ask. How can you have an informed idea if you never get both sides? Just thought I'd ask.

I did read the article.

I have a policy of not visiting Youtube.

I can understand that. Besides, you get the jist of it from the artical.