Child Prostitution
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
im going to say this but i don't subscribe to it, just stating a fact.
i not sure when fucking children went illegal, but since the beginning of time to i think 1950's it was legal to marry any one over the age of 13 if not younger. or sex with a child was legal but the norm... give me a min while i puke... the romans, greeks, the jewish and arabic it was common. the Vikings raped men, women and children. now personally i can't do it just because why eat a unripe fruit.
i not sure when fucking children went illegal, but since the beginning of time to i think 1950's it was legal to marry any one over the age of 13 if not younger. or sex with a child was legal but the norm... give me a min while i puke... the romans, greeks, the jewish and arabic it was common. the Vikings raped men, women and children. now personally i can't do it just because why eat a unripe fruit.
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shinji_ikari
Mustn't Run Away...
Fi wrote...
shinji_ikari wrote...
.and who am I to impose what I think is right on another group of people ? The Catholic Church ? no wait they touch little boys...
you sound like a cultural relativist. if you were to go by that logic, well then who are we to say that pedophilia should be outlawed. or maybe incest between a mother and son. or maybe a culture believes that killing twins after they are born protects their their village. maybe burning a woman alive may help the harvest.
your logic leads to absurd conclusions and also i think think you get the difference between the morality of a situation and the reasons a society chooses to regulate a certain area mixed up. wearing seat belts for example is not a moral issue, but the interest that a society has in preventing millions of deaths a year governs. you can say the same thing about child prostitution. even if you take the morality out of it, society has an interest in guarding children against abuse or mistreatment, and you are fooling yourself if you think that child prostitution does not lead to abuse or mistreatment. a child, in i think most countries, does not have many legal rights and a child would basically at the mercy of whatever adult is in charge. its not like they know when they are being mistreated either, or can fight back, since they are still weak physically. the room for coercion in child prostitution is just too damn big.
Also, have you ever met anyone who has actually been sexually abused as a child? who experienced sex, whether it was consesual or not consensual at the time? that shit stays with you, even the "consensual cases" and in everyone that i've met, which sadly are several people I've been close to, it fucks them up, some more than others.
shinji_ikari wrote...
anyway , sure the child may not be able to make sound judgement , but they same can be said of an adult in a similar situation ,who is half starving ,and fearing for the lives of their loved ones...and your right how do you regulate child rights..but you can apply that logic on any other job they'd be forced to engage in realisticly in the environment they live in (hard labor , drug traffic, stealing , etc) I don't approve of it , and Im not saying we should ignore it ,but at the same time I realize imposing our morals ,and laws on the situation will do little to help it,and that the true evil lies in the corrupt governments that do nothing to really solve the problem ,and just push blame on the issue...you're right! in neither situation is that acceptable. doesn't matter if it is a child who is being abused or an adult. But the government part doesn't make sense since the government is the body that can at least try to protect children or adults from exploitation through laws. so i don't get your argument at all.
fair enough , I believe you may have taken what I said a bit out of context ,and put a bit of conjecture in their , but meh I suppose my biggest problem is what you said about the government...have you ever actually LIVED in a third world country ? Do you realize the amount of money wasted ,and taken by higher ups in these countries ? Do you have ANY knowledge of how many laws are passed in these areas with no consideration for the people who live their ? I'm angry with these governments because many of them who outlaw these child prostitution laws , do nothing to actually stop them..or are you naive enough to believe just cause a law is in place it will eradicate the problem ,or even be enforced ? Majority of these places put these laws in effect due to social pressures , and do nothing to follow up on the issue (aiding the poor, programs to help starving children , and even psychological aid for the children taken out of it ) THAT is my problem with those governments...its not enough to pass a law ,and then say "well fuck it , its not legal anymore, they wont do it again right ?" they need to heavily enforce these law ,and do their best to create or aid existing programs that help eradicate the reasons people have to sell , or have the children work for these scum bags on the streets in the first place...I realize it wouldn't be easy , but they should at least fucking try..HELL EVEN BRAZIL IS TRYING , but whatever that is again just my opinion..in regards to the first thing you said I only meant that I as a member of a foreign government , with little understanding on the vast majority of problem harming these third world nations are , am attempting to impose MY will ,and opinion on them..I firmly disagree with the United States decision to mess around in the affairs of these foreign nations..especially when we do it from some fucking pedestal looking down on other nations ,and not actually HELPING them...and finally yes I realize children are mistreated in sex-work...but their likely going to be mistreated in general , but the fact that sex is viewed differently by people in these countries has to be taken into account...western society looks at sex differently most of the world...and if they believe that working in a sex shop is better then having their child worked to breaking points in a factory you can't just look down on them and judge...oh btw I was sexually abused as a child , and I realize the effects these things have..so PLEASE don't talk down to me in that regard considering you have no idea what I have been through ,as I have no idea what may have occurred to you, but speaking as someone who actually WAS in thailand ,and has spoken to women who used to work in the industry they dont even see it as abuse..they just thought it was a way to help their family..they may not be the norm but these people do exist , but again I feel I must state I don't defend , nor approve child prostitution, I just want it to be handled properly , not swept under some fucking rug.
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To be perfectly honest I'm totally into child porn, be it hentai or real-life, but only as far as my fetishes are concerned. Even though I'm fapping to little girls getting raped, I'd recommend the death penalty for people who abuse kids.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
umnut wrote...
To be perfectly honest I'm totally into child porn, be it hentai or real-life, but only as far as my fetishes are concerned. Even though I'm fapping to little girls getting raped, I'd recommend the death penalty for people who abuse kids. Spoiler:
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shinji_ikari
Mustn't Run Away...
umnut wrote...
To be perfectly honest I'm totally into child porn, be it hentai or real-life, but only as far as my fetishes are concerned. Even though I'm fapping to little girls getting raped, I'd recommend the death penalty for people who abuse kids. while i respect your honesty , i can't help , but feel a bit uncomfortable with your answer =_=""....
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shinji_ikari wrote...
What is the opinion of the users of Fakku on this practice My opinion word for word from the back of my mind, would be:
"You're a bunch of sick fucks."
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shinji_ikari
Mustn't Run Away...
Guilty Guardian wrote...
shinji_ikari wrote...
What is the opinion of the users of Fakku on this practice My opinion word for word from the back of my mind, would be:
"You're a bunch of sick fucks."
do you mean the pedophiles or the people who posted ?..cause if it was directed to those who posted then I think you hurt my feelings...
Spoiler:
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Guilty Guardian wrote...
shinji_ikari wrote...
What is the opinion of the users of Fakku on this practice My opinion word for word from the back of my mind, would be:
"You're a bunch of sick fucks."
I must say this. To support Child Prostitution is simply retarded. Even for those of you that try to act all liberal and shit. I can assure you, it is never with the child's consent. Of course, one can have some thoughts about age, but as I mean it, the child in question is a person of age 15 or younger.
While I, as many, have thought at times that a annoying child sometimes deserve a good beating or maybe that it might be fine to strangle it just so that it shut up, my deep honest opinion is that grown up people that hurt children, be it with violence, sexual abuse or in any other way, are basically the scum of the earth and deserves no pardon.
I'm completely fine with loli hentai, I enjoy it myself very often, IRL child pornography and sexual abuse is a complete different thing. I hope that those of you that watches life-action child porn one day will realize (and also experience yourself) the suffering that the child in that movie goes through. And if I ever caught anyone raping a child (or a woman that was my type), do not believe that you will die quick and painless.
Well that was awfully and unusually serious of me.
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shinji_ikari wrote...
I feel I must state I don't defend , nor approve child prostitution, I just want it to be handled properly , not swept under some fucking rug.Here's the main issue I have with your argument, Shinji_ikari. You say, Oh I find child prostitution deplorable, and terrible but who am I to impose any sort of change since to these people, it's not so bad.
Isn't what you're doing essentially sweeping the issue under the rug?
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shinji_ikari
Mustn't Run Away...
blahdeblah wrote...
shinji_ikari wrote...
I feel I must state I don't defend , nor approve child prostitution, I just want it to be handled properly , not swept under some fucking rug.Here's the main issue I have with your argument, Shinji_ikari. You say, Oh I find child prostitution deplorable, and terrible but who am I to impose any sort of change since to these people, it's not so bad.
Isn't what you're doing essentially sweeping the issue under the rug?
No ,I'm saying that I don't like political pressure to be put onto weaker nations without some form of follow through ,and that the people pushing majority of these laws are grossly under informed , and finally I point out all the alternate reasoning used by the people stuck in these situations ,to advocate their actions because I think you need to understand the people behind a problem before you go trying to fix it , cause normally if you don't you just make it worse..basically "If you don't know wtf your talking/doing don't push out some half baked idea" ,and that is why I say who am I to judge them , I am not an expert ,and I am not someone in that situation I do not honestly believe I have all the information to make a sound decision.All I do know is I don't want people to just make laws..I want procedures put into action to PREVENT this from ever happening in the first place...but instead you get a bunch of people putting minimal effort in stopping a growing problem , at least in most cases.
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shinji_ikari
Mustn't Run Away...
Ethil wrote...
Guilty Guardian wrote...
shinji_ikari wrote...
What is the opinion of the users of Fakku on this practice My opinion word for word from the back of my mind, would be:
"You're a bunch of sick fucks."
I must say this. To support Child Prostitution is simply retarded. Even for those of you that try to act all liberal and shit. I can assure you, it is never with the child's consent. Of course, one can have some thoughts about age, but as I mean it, the child in question is a person of age 15 or younger.
While I, as many, have thought at times that a annoying child sometimes deserve a good beating or maybe that it might be fine to strangle it just so that it shut up, my deep honest opinion is that grown up people that hurt children, be it with violence, sexual abuse or in any other way, are basically the scum of the earth and deserves no pardon.
I'm completely fine with loli hentai, I enjoy it myself very often, IRL child pornography and sexual abuse is a complete different thing. I hope that those of you that watches life-action child porn one day will realize (and also experience yourself) the suffering that the child in that movie goes through. And if I ever caught anyone raping a child (or a woman that was my type), do not believe that you will die quick and painless.
Well that was awfully and unusually serious of me.
well..that was quite serious..but I'm pretty sure no one here , except maybe one guy was actually ok with child prostitution , but yes I see where your going with what you said.
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shinji_ikari wrote...
fair enough , I believe you may have taken what I said a bit out of context ,and put a bit of conjecture in their , but meh I suppose my biggest problem is what you said about the government...have you ever actually LIVED in a third world country ? Do you realize the amount of money wasted ,and taken by higher ups in these countries ? Do you have ANY knowledge of how many laws are passed in these areas with no consideration for the people who live their ? I'm angry with these governments because many of them who outlaw these child prostitution laws , do nothing to actually stop them..or are you naive enough to believe just cause a law is in place it will eradicate the problem ,or even be enforced ? Majority of these places put these laws in effect due to social pressures , and do nothing to follow up on the issue (aiding the poor, programs to help starving children , and even psychological aid for the children taken out of it ) THAT is my problem with those governments...its not enough to pass a law ,and then say "well fuck it , its not legal anymore, they wont do it again right ?" they need to heavily enforce these law ,and do their best to create or aid existing programs that help eradicate the reasons people have to sell , or have the children work for these scum bags on the streets in the first place...I realize it wouldn't be easy , but they should at least fucking try..HELL EVEN BRAZIL IS TRYING , but whatever that is again just my opinion..
actually, i was born in Nicaragua and lived in Honduras until i was 8. child abduction was a big problem when i was growing up and i was pretty terrified of it. in fact, i was once taken by a woman when i was at the central market in Tegucigalpa while my mother was not looking but i managed to get away. a child was forcibly taken by knife point a few houses down from where i lived. there were massive tanks patrolling the city with military men holding machine guns. when i was 5 or 6 a car pulled up next to me and offered me sex, among many other lewd thing. when i was 15 i was visiting and there was almost a military take over of the government. that's just in honduras. on the nicaraguan side, my father almost joined the guerillas that were fighting against the dictator Somoza in the 70's but was stopped by my grandfather. my other grandfather was exiled for a time after the first Somoza was assassinated because he was on a black list. both my parents worked for the Sandinista government in the early 80's until my father was basically forced to flee to France in the later 80's. so yeah, i think i got a good idea of what you're talking about.
my point was on the one hand you started this thread about the morality of child prostitution, is it so bad? if other people want to do, why not? then you bring up this issue about the governments and how they don't protect the children. so yeah i am confused, because on the one hand it seems like you are saying that we (as in you and me, not the US gov) shouldn't judge the practice of child prostitution, thereby allowing its existence. but on the other hand you are also saying how fucked up these governments are and how they aren't doing enough to help these exploited children. so what exactly is the question you want answered? i don't think you are very clear on this.
btw, i don't think anyone is saying that you should look down upon a child who went through this. but the practice of it, it as an institution, is another thing.
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There are many different aspects in child prostitution.
One is abduction/white slavery the other is the child herself/himself wants to be involved in this kind of thing due to financial problems or others.
One is abduction/white slavery the other is the child herself/himself wants to be involved in this kind of thing due to financial problems or others.
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Its not THE WORSE that could happen to you.
Though its up there.
living in America, where everything is blown out of proportion and you could get sued for just about everything. Also a place where food could literally be handed to you on a golden plate and then reject it because it wasn't imported.. A place where we can go to any random place and get food, a place where we having electricity and running water. A place where its residents take these simple luxuries for granted. Which usually tend to be younger people.
Though I don't know which is worse.
being treated like shit and having to work to death as a prostitute,
being treated like shit and having to work to death as a slave,
not to mention there's lots of other things that could happen.
No matter who you are.
I'm Obviously against child prostitution, though sometimes its all people can do just to live.
Its morally wrong,
children, being innocent and such shouldn't be forced to do such things. Whether they know what it means or not. Its still wrong in my eyes. Though that's just how I feel.
No should be forced to do anything against their will. Especially something harmful.
Though its up there.
living in America, where everything is blown out of proportion and you could get sued for just about everything. Also a place where food could literally be handed to you on a golden plate and then reject it because it wasn't imported.. A place where we can go to any random place and get food, a place where we having electricity and running water. A place where its residents take these simple luxuries for granted. Which usually tend to be younger people.
Though I don't know which is worse.
being treated like shit and having to work to death as a prostitute,
being treated like shit and having to work to death as a slave,
not to mention there's lots of other things that could happen.
No matter who you are.
I'm Obviously against child prostitution, though sometimes its all people can do just to live.
Its morally wrong,
children, being innocent and such shouldn't be forced to do such things. Whether they know what it means or not. Its still wrong in my eyes. Though that's just how I feel.
No should be forced to do anything against their will. Especially something harmful.
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umnut wrote...
To be perfectly honest I'm totally into child porn, be it hentai or real-life, but only as far as my fetishes are concerned. Even though I'm fapping to little girls getting raped, I'd recommend the death penalty for people who abuse kids. do you realize that rl child porn is actual evidence of a crime being committed against that child? and also, are you fapping to real girls getting raped, or is that just the hentai?
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shinji_ikari
Mustn't Run Away...
Fi wrote...
shinji_ikari wrote...
fair enough , I believe you may have taken what I said a bit out of context ,and put a bit of conjecture in their , but meh I suppose my biggest problem is what you said about the government...have you ever actually LIVED in a third world country ? Do you realize the amount of money wasted ,and taken by higher ups in these countries ? Do you have ANY knowledge of how many laws are passed in these areas with no consideration for the people who live their ? I'm angry with these governments because many of them who outlaw these child prostitution laws , do nothing to actually stop them..or are you naive enough to believe just cause a law is in place it will eradicate the problem ,or even be enforced ? Majority of these places put these laws in effect due to social pressures , and do nothing to follow up on the issue (aiding the poor, programs to help starving children , and even psychological aid for the children taken out of it ) THAT is my problem with those governments...its not enough to pass a law ,and then say "well fuck it , its not legal anymore, they wont do it again right ?" they need to heavily enforce these law ,and do their best to create or aid existing programs that help eradicate the reasons people have to sell , or have the children work for these scum bags on the streets in the first place...I realize it wouldn't be easy , but they should at least fucking try..HELL EVEN BRAZIL IS TRYING , but whatever that is again just my opinion..
actually, i was born in Nicaragua and lived in Honduras until i was 8. child abduction was a big problem when i was growing up and i was pretty terrified of it. in fact, i was once taken by a woman when i was at the central market in Tegucigalpa while my mother was not looking but i managed to get away. a child was forcibly taken by knife point a few houses down from where i lived. there were massive tanks patrolling the city with military men holding machine guns. when i was 5 or 6 a car pulled up next to me and offered me sex, among many other lewd thing. when i was 15 i was visiting and there was almost a military take over of the government. that's just in honduras. on the nicaraguan side, my father almost joined the guerillas that were fighting against the dictator Somoza in the 70's but was stopped by my grandfather. my other grandfather was exiled for a time after the first Somoza was assassinated because he was on a black list. both my parents worked for the Sandinista government in the early 80's until my father was basically forced to flee to France in the later 80's. so yeah, i think i got a good idea of what you're talking about.
my point was on the one hand you started this thread about the morality of child prostitution, is it so bad? if other people want to do, why not? then you bring up this issue about the governments and how they don't protect the children. so yeah i am confused, because on the one hand it seems like you are saying that we (as in you and me, not the US gov) shouldn't judge the practice of child prostitution, thereby allowing its existence. but on the other hand you are also saying how fucked up these governments are and how they aren't doing enough to help these exploited children. so what exactly is the question you want answered? i don't think you are very clear on this.
btw, i don't think anyone is saying that you should look down upon a child who went through this. but the practice of it, it as an institution, is another thing.
I actually only started this thread to get opinions , on the matter of Child Prostitution . I didn't start debating anything until someone in an earlier post said they'd like to see someone argue for it ,since I don't support CP the best I could do was defend some of the people stuck in it.Also by not judging I don't mean we should ignore it , or do nothing to stop it. I only meant do not look down on ALL of the people involved, obviously many of them are horrible people , but many are just people who have little choice ,and are stuck in a horrible situation , most of us could never understand , and finally I only mention the government to point out how they miss use money ,and resources that could empower their nation , leading to an improved economy ,and the ability to stamp out a vast majority of child prostitution , and sex-trade operations once and for all , thus making them at least in my opinion just as guilty , and sometimes even more so then many of the criminals involved in this horrible business.
P.S. I admit I am not always clear in my posts. I do most of my posting off my iphone , and its a bitch to go back ,and read everything I've written , so I usually just type it all in one go ,and post it.
P.S.S. I apologize for making assumptions on your life history without getting some form of facts first , I hope I didn't offend you.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Fi wrote...
umnut wrote...
To be perfectly honest I'm totally into child porn, be it hentai or real-life, but only as far as my fetishes are concerned. Even though I'm fapping to little girls getting raped, I'd recommend the death penalty for people who abuse kids. do you realize that rl child porn is actual evidence of a crime being committed against that child? and also, are you fapping to real girls getting raped, or is that just the hentai?
i would agree with you but you even went to stickcam site and see 13-16(and that a conservative guess) and see girl/s jilling just because they can... yes a crime is being committed when daddy is taping him doing things to his daughter or son, but isn't faulty when the child is doing it themselves. and that why i stick to myfreecam because i like watching girls fap but the boner will die when a lolita pop in.
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@shinji: no worries, not offended really, i made my own assumptions about you as well. btw, i mostly agree with your points regarding the suckiness of governments in developing countries in regards to enforcement and also agree mostly with your view that the US should not interfere with other countries to a point. nicaragua is an excellent example of US intervention gone to shit.
@animefreak: did not know about these sites. i was more or less imagining what is probably the stereotypical images of child porn, never seen it so can only guess that that involves an adult performing sexual acts or the child performing sexual acts on an adult. don't want to see it either..
@animefreak: did not know about these sites. i was more or less imagining what is probably the stereotypical images of child porn, never seen it so can only guess that that involves an adult performing sexual acts or the child performing sexual acts on an adult. don't want to see it either..
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Fi wrote...
@shinji: no worries, not offended really, i made my own assumptions about you as well. btw, i mostly agree with your points regarding the suckiness of governments in developing countries in regards to enforcement and also agree mostly with your view that the US should not interfere with other countries to a point. nicaragua is an excellent example of US intervention gone to shit. @animefreak: did not know about these sites. i was more or less imagining what is probably the stereotypical images of child porn, never seen it so can only guess that that involves an adult performing sexual acts or the child performing sexual acts on an adult. don't want to see it either..
trust me it freaking weird.. in post training (peace officer standards and training) we had a week course of analyzing and figuring out if the video and pic was true cp or virtual. and getting the limewire kiddie porn virus(had to full dod wipe that fucker) i know how gross it is.