Do you believe in "GOD" ,and the "Great" beyond ?

Hey, don´t be so angry with me, my point is that how can we believe in something that doesn´t exist, and was created just to control people?
And I´m not so old, and I got those ideas long time ago, from my own experience. I passed through almost four religions before I noticed all are full of nothing, just lies.

P.S.: I´m sorry if my post was weird, or as if I know eveything I wrote it. And the ¨P.D.¨ was just a little mistake.

We die we rot we become dirt and feed a tree or summit

the world turns.

I dont think there is any god or higher power, hell if there was I'm sure they would have hit Delete by now and started over, this world is hella fucked up.

Some people see Atheism as a religion because it is a set of beliefs in their view. Atheist believe there is no god, this would include Buddhists. Nobody claims that Buddhism isn't a religion simply because they don't believe in a God. That's the logic that people use when trying to state that atheism is a religion.

Until the day that atheists prove in absolute confidence that a God does not exist. We'll still be labeled a religion regardless if atheists agree or not.

I do not think that they there is an omniscient and omnipotent deity that is over us all, no. I feel that we all make are own decisions on things, without any sort of chance for our actions to be frowned upon by said deity, and have messages sent to this deity in order to bring good fortune toward something. Oddly enough though, I feel that there is something after this life--what that may be, I don't know, but I feel that there is something else; not Heaven and Hell though. I'm more of a scientific/logical guy, who sees things as something that can be explained.

I don't say that others are wrong or foolish for believing otherwise though, as it is their belief and way of life. Everyone has a different perspective of things, and a different mindset of the world. I actually like learning about different religions and such, because I find them quite fascinating and intriguing. For instance, I absolutely love the whole religious systems the Greeks had with the many Gods and Goddesses. Do I believe and worship them; no, but I do find it very interesting.

I like how there are many religions and beliefs in God(s) because it adds more variety to peoples' way of life. Hmm... I think I went a bit off topic, hehe. Sorry.

In simple terms...
"Do you believe in "GOD"?": No.
"...the "Great" beyond?": In a way, yes.

Also, just to be safe, sorry if I somehow offended anyone. I know this can be a hot-button issue.

I only believe in "God" because of all the unexplained mysteries in the world. Though I was baptized a Roman Catholic, I don't see any other reason for "God" to exist because if there really is one, this world would be a better place.(Fakku might be gone in that world though.)

The proof that god doesn't exist is the lack of proof that he does, that is the proof that god doesn't exist.

I don't know if you're the kind of atheist that claims god doesn't exist (has faith), but it's not believing that god doesn't exist, it's the lack of belief in a god. Atheism isn't a belief, it's a lack of it; or do you disagree?


I once heard an argument that stated, "God cannot be proven, nor disproven, ergo he exists."

What both of these arguments have in common is their bad logic.

Here's my take. Religion is a system that it's creators argue humanity needs salvation, a god, if not clarified. Now I'm not an atheist, i do believe there's a hidden entity. But here comes my take: Who is to say that religion and god where not born from man's conscieousness to prove he is not solely alone? How do we know what we are witnessing is either true Religion or the the Stable Mind of an Author?

Then the god won't be called as "God" or "Greatest Beyond" if human can reach God ...

your logic is flawed here ..
and for this kind of matter, every people have different perspective about this complex matter ..
feel free to choose your side .. but keep in mind that Philosophy and Religion is different ..

OT :
Yes ... because .. i want to believe .. without any force from other .. i don't need logical statement if we talk about My God, Your God , everybody's God

The two are synonymous for the same thing. If you lack the belief that god exists, then you don't believe that he exists. You can break it down and argue sematics if you like, but when it comes to putting it back together you cannot have one without the concept of the other.

I think you are trying to imply that disbelief is active, and lack of belief is not, and you are trying to use this to differentiate them. But even if an active lack of believe was not possible, the two would still be tied together. For every belief, there are certainly an infinite number of things that you must inherently not believe in to hold that belief, and for every inhereted non-belief there are certainly also an infinite number of things that you must also believe in to support it (and so on). Even if you have never considered them. Surely this is what makes up our belief structure, and allows us to make decisions.

To get back to my comment on atheism as a form of religion, I think the difference is mainly in what we are describing when we say 'atheist' and 'atheism'. When you quote dictionary definitions it will of course be obvious that atheism is not a religion, however people use words to convey meanings that are not in the dictionary as a matter of course.

So on one hand no, atheism is definitively not a religion. Atheism is based on logical conjecture drawn from observable evidence, and religion is not, hence atheism is not a religion. On the other hand, when atheism is used to describe a community of people who share the same lack of belief (as you say) in god, it inherits the characteristics of that community as well. And to my perception at least, that community boarders on religion, if only for the fact that not every self proclaimed atheist understands their own belief the way the dictionary presents it.



We don't, and thats why it makes no sense to place your faith in religion. Because you don't know. There is no evidence.

It would be much wiser to believe in what you do know, and simply do what you think is right. How can you contest this? Even if there is a "hidden entity", what does it matter? Is it going to 'save' you? Will it grant you immortal life? No? Then why does it matter?

I don't claim that a God or Gods exist or do not exist. I am of the opinion that a God does not exist but, I can not prove that a God does not exist. It's beyond the ability of man to prove either way as of now. I find the entire argument troublesome and a waste of energy.

Atheism is a belief the reason is; we can not prove that God does not exist. Any claim that we can prove such at this time is absurd. We can compose logical arguments for or against the existence of a God but, at this time it is beyond our ability to prove either side of the argument. We do not know a God does not exist. We simply believe that one does not exist. Regardless of how militant or firm an Atheist's conviction in the notion that a God does not exist still falls short of the glaring truth. We can't prove definitively that a God or God does not exist.

The Macquarie Encyclopedic Dictionary definition of "belief" is:

1. that which is believed; an accepted opinion.
2. conviction of the truth or reality of a thing, based upon grounds insufficient to afford positive knowledge:

That first definition is the grounds for my argument. We can't prove that a God does not exist therefore we simply have the opinion that one does not exist. The day that scientists prove definitively that a God can not or does not exist will be the Day that Atheism can be classified as a "lack thereof".

You're assembly line argument of "not collecting stamps is a hobby" does not fit the form of Atheism I am using for my argument. That argument is better suited for the "Atheism is a religion" style arguments not the "Atheism is a belief"

tl;dr We're in agreement but, took two separate paths to arrive at the same destination.

When Atheism Becomes Religion: America's New Fundamentalists

You should pick up a copy.

Exactly. Belief =/= non-belief


I don't really see what you mean by that since disbelief is lack of belief, and I'm not really implying anything beyond that as part of the definition of atheism.


I don't really see what the point was in mentioning this since what I wrote was initially directed at the claim that atheism was a religion.

Maybe I misunderstood you then. It seemed as though you were implying that there was a difference between the two in your previous post, namely that an atheist who does not believe in god has faith, and one who lacks belief in god does not.


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While I do agree with your reasoning (in fact I considered using the same argument in my post), I also think that it is given that we must trust our senses to some degree or else we would never get anything done. It is true that we cannot be certain on the existence of god, but there really isn't anything we can be certain on when we take this stance. And then we have to start wondering, well, if we don't know anything, what should we do? Suddenly we have no basis for decisions or arguments, and no reason to do anything at all.

Suffice to say that I think it is best to leave all of that uncertainty in the disclaimer, or perhaps in a foot note on the bottom of the page. When we come back to the world of what we do know (or at least think we know), atheism is without a doubt distinct for its logical basis, which differentiates it from religion. As I said before, atheism only becomes a religion when we move from this paper definition to the reality that not every 'atheist' fits this definition.

I agree with raishii, that is what I tell my partners each day, but they just answer me: ¨we believe because we have faith¨, and I answer them ¨hahahahahaha, nice joke¨.

Well as chance would have it I don't believe in free will, but thats a topic for another thread.

I will agree it is socially acceptable to do pointless things. But as I stated earlier, that does not mean that we should accept pointless things. Presumably we all work towards progression, everyone strives to progress. I will never understand the human need to intentionally cling to something pointless that they can see as pointless, and somehow still justify it in the face of everything else they do in their life in the name of progression. It is not even that you don't have the right to hold onto stupid beliefs, but knowing that they are stupid, why would you want to? Is it pride and dignity?

I can prove "God" doesn't exist.

Epicurus again? -_-'' That is still no proof. The non/existence of a higher being is impossible to both prove and disprove.

I replied to your last, earlier post.