Europe's shift to the right
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doswillrule wrote...
Racism will remain an inherent cultural barrier for many years to come, but this shift is cyclic, and it will not last. I am unfortunately stuck in a historic town of a solidly Conservative block of English counties, and let me tell you, if not for my language-orientated secondary school and its boarding house, I might not have seen a black person outside of the major cities. It is these areas which breed racism by media influence and wild assumption, and I believe it thus to be as much an issue of foreign integration countrywide, distribution of immigrants if you will, as one of education and cultural immersion. The unfortunate situation we're facing at the moment is that to normalise foreigners by this means requires further immigration, which is itself limited by the ignorance it propagates.
As long as countries remain stuck in this loop, and indeed where immigration is temporarily limited by such governments, the cycle will continue, with existing immigrant areas and youth votes maintaining the balance. With increasingly liberal generations enveloping old politics and existing immigrant populations entrenched, the situation can only improve.
I don't think that just rapidly increasing immigration would solve any problems, it would only make matters worse. It is that immigrants in general need to be more integrated, not by blaming them for the way they are, but instead distributing the immigrant population more geographically evenly, so that immigrant-districts don't get created. The state should also try to accept their culture as part of its culture, and give them recognition for their nationalities as well.
F.e., a commonly known issue: the millions of Turks in Germany. Yet the German school program does not teach anything about Turkey or the Turks. It would far rather teach something about European countries, than about Turkey, which of course makes them feel like second class people. They also aren't depicted in school books, or mentioned in movies.
In the USA there is hardly any racism towards blacks anymore, because they get recognized as part of the US-American society (surely the blacks, opposed to the Turks in Germany, live there for hundreds of years, and have accepted the Religion and the customs). And yes, it took the blacks almost 450 years, after they have been forcefully brought to the American soil, to become officially equal. But the times have changed and we must be flexible.
Europe should accept Islam as one of its major Religions, and do the masses in the mosques on European languages (which they are already doing in Germany).
Also, there should be obligatory mother-tongue-lessons for all foreign children, because who doesn't learn grammar and spelling of his mother tongue properly, won't learn it on any other tongue as well. This is already been successfully done in Finland.
The world is getting more and more connected, Immigrants are an enrichment since they are already very well familiar with a foreign culture/language since their birth, which would take other people years to learn.
But like i said, immigration should be controlled, distributed, and integrated. Opening the gates for everybody without taking any care of them afterwards, would only drive the voters in the hands of the rightists.
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Tachyon wrote...
F.e., a commonly known issue: the millions of Turks in Germany. Yet the German school program does not teach anything about Turkey or the Turks. It would far rather teach something about European countries, than about Turkey, which of course makes them feel like second class people. They also aren't depicted in school books, or mentioned in movies.
So the entire education system should be changed to deal with national identity problems of Turks? Not that I have any problems with Turks, one of my best friends is Turkish, but when you move to a foreign country, you become part of that country.
The whole point is integration. The 2nd generation should consider themselves German, but they are free to have the Turkish background. Implementing Turkish history into German school is forcing German to be taught something irrelevant (like an American learning about the social-political situation in Spain - its interesting and can be used for something, but not necessarily cannon material - and when doing history class you do learn about the Ottoman Empire I should guess) and if you make sole classes about Turkish history and culture for Turks, you are further isolating them from integrating into German society - creating greater tension in the country between "Turks" and "Germans" and playing right into the rightists hands.
The whole solution is to not only to make Germans accept "Turks" as Germans, but also that the Turks accept themselves as Germans.
But otherwise you are right with the immigration thing, but i dont think it should be accepting immigrants as immigrants and foreigners, more accepting them as nationals of the country.
PS. most of the (neg) reps that happen are random arseholes from IB, who like to (neg) rep people who write long intellectual things on the forums and laugh when the Serious Discussion participants turn on each other. I know its real annoying when you dont have that much rep to begin with (like me) and then you get pranked into negativity... but thats the internet i guess
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lastmousestanding wrote...
So the entire education system should be changed to deal with national identity problems of Turks? Not that I have any problems with Turks, one of my best friends is Turkish, but when you move to a foreign country, you become part of that country.The whole point is integration. The 2nd generation should consider themselves German, but they are free to have the Turkish background. Implementing Turkish history into German school is forcing German to be taught something irrelevant (like an American learning about the social-political situation in Spain - its interesting and can be used for something, but not necessarily cannon material - and when doing history class you do learn about the Ottoman Empire I should guess) and if you make sole classes about Turkish history and culture for Turks, you are further isolating them from integrating into German society - creating greater tension in the country between "Turks" and "Germans" and playing right into the rightists hands.
The whole solution is to not only to make Germans accept "Turks" as Germans, but also that the Turks accept themselves as Germans.
But otherwise you are right with the immigration thing, but i dont think it should be accepting immigrants as immigrants and foreigners, more accepting them as nationals of the country.
PS. most of the (neg) reps that happen are random arseholes from IB, who like to (neg) rep people who write long intellectual things on the forums and laugh when the Serious Discussion participants turn on each other. I know its real annoying when you dont have that much rep to begin with (like me) and then you get pranked into negativity... but thats the internet i guess
You can not make a German out of a Turk, which means you can never make himself identify with the culture and especially history of Germany that much, even if he is 2nd generation. And if you would assimilate him, and even if he would be equally accepted by all Germans, then you lost the advantages you had when he had both the Turkish and the German language/culture.
I know more about the Ottoman Empire than its written in any schoolbook, yet I am not a Turk, how comes? And is this knowledge useless for me? No, because it enables me to understand why and how the nowadays political situation in Europe, the Middle East and worldwide came into being. It would not harm anybody to mention the Ottoman Empire and Muslim Customs here and there in school, yet it would make the Muslims and the Turks feel accepted where they are.
If you as a German see a monument of Frederick the Great, you will say "I am proud that my forefathers fought off the Austrians, the Russians and the French, although they were in such a desperate situation." Can the Turk who perceives himself as a German say the same? And Berlin is full of Monuments of Fridericus Rex.
I am not saying that Monuments to Ottoman Emperors should be built in Germany, lol, but just give them some recognition.
P.S.: I did not get angry because I got -reps, but because of a certain person.