Gaddafi is dead. What will happen with Lybia now?
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Most of the forces loyal to Gaddafi have been defeated by numerous NATO air strikes, and with less civilian casualties than anticipated. The only pockets of resistance are in a few cities especially loyal to the Colonel. Also, eliminating the rest of the loyalist groups in the most densely populated region of Lybia could pose a problem.
Aside from that, many believe that Lybia is on the path of being divided into two halves. One pro-Gaddafi Islamists, and the other, secularist city-dwellers. The class conflict between the secular urban population and the tribal Muslims has been long-standing.
On a positive note, with Gaddafi gone a transitional government has been established of elected officials. The officials claim they will step down within a month in order to make way for a more stabilized government (also transitional).
With the end to the conflict, Lybia's rich oil wells have begun pumping again, and since the country only has about 7m people, its citizen's look as though they are headed for a time of prosperity.
The toppling of Gaddafi is a largely symbolic victory, and will ultimately encourage democracy throughout Africa.
That's about what I got out of The Economist this week.
Aside from that, many believe that Lybia is on the path of being divided into two halves. One pro-Gaddafi Islamists, and the other, secularist city-dwellers. The class conflict between the secular urban population and the tribal Muslims has been long-standing.
On a positive note, with Gaddafi gone a transitional government has been established of elected officials. The officials claim they will step down within a month in order to make way for a more stabilized government (also transitional).
With the end to the conflict, Lybia's rich oil wells have begun pumping again, and since the country only has about 7m people, its citizen's look as though they are headed for a time of prosperity.
The toppling of Gaddafi is a largely symbolic victory, and will ultimately encourage democracy throughout Africa.
That's about what I got out of The Economist this week.
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Luke Piewalker wrote...
Most of the forces loyal to Gaddafi have been defeated by numerous NATO air strikes, and with less civilian casualties than anticipated. The only pockets of resistance are in a few cities especially loyal to the Colonel. Also, eliminating the rest of the loyalist groups in the most densely populated region of Lybia could pose a problem. Aside from that, many believe that Lybia is on the path of being divided into two halves. One pro-Gaddafi Islamists, and the other, secularist city-dwellers. The class conflict between the secular urban population and the tribal Muslims has been long-standing.
On a positive note, with Gaddafi gone a transitional government has been established of elected officials. The officials claim they will step down within a month in order to make way for a more stabilized government (also transitional).
With the end to the conflict, Lybia's rich oil wells have begun pumping again, and since the country only has about 7m people, its citizen's look as though they are headed for a time of prosperity.
The toppling of Gaddafi is a largely symbolic victory, and will ultimately encourage democracy throughout Africa.
That's about what I got out of The Economist this week.
Didn't know that Libya could be divided....
Kinda like Turkey and Kurdistan where it was originally one land...
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Legendary_Dollci wrote...
Luke Piewalker wrote...
Most of the forces loyal to Gaddafi have been defeated by numerous NATO air strikes, and with less civilian casualties than anticipated. The only pockets of resistance are in a few cities especially loyal to the Colonel. Also, eliminating the rest of the loyalist groups in the most densely populated region of Lybia could pose a problem. Aside from that, many believe that Lybia is on the path of being divided into two halves. One pro-Gaddafi Islamists, and the other, secularist city-dwellers. The class conflict between the secular urban population and the tribal Muslims has been long-standing.
On a positive note, with Gaddafi gone a transitional government has been established of elected officials. The officials claim they will step down within a month in order to make way for a more stabilized government (also transitional).
With the end to the conflict, Lybia's rich oil wells have begun pumping again, and since the country only has about 7m people, its citizen's look as though they are headed for a time of prosperity.
The toppling of Gaddafi is a largely symbolic victory, and will ultimately encourage democracy throughout Africa.
That's about what I got out of The Economist this week.
Didn't know that Libya could be divided....
Kinda like Turkey and Kurdistan where it was originally one land...
I'm not at all sure of how it will play out, but unification is better in my eyes.
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Luke Piewalker wrote...
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
Luke Piewalker wrote...
Most of the forces loyal to Gaddafi have been defeated by numerous NATO air strikes, and with less civilian casualties than anticipated. The only pockets of resistance are in a few cities especially loyal to the Colonel. Also, eliminating the rest of the loyalist groups in the most densely populated region of Lybia could pose a problem. Aside from that, many believe that Lybia is on the path of being divided into two halves. One pro-Gaddafi Islamists, and the other, secularist city-dwellers. The class conflict between the secular urban population and the tribal Muslims has been long-standing.
On a positive note, with Gaddafi gone a transitional government has been established of elected officials. The officials claim they will step down within a month in order to make way for a more stabilized government (also transitional).
With the end to the conflict, Lybia's rich oil wells have begun pumping again, and since the country only has about 7m people, its citizen's look as though they are headed for a time of prosperity.
The toppling of Gaddafi is a largely symbolic victory, and will ultimately encourage democracy throughout Africa.
That's about what I got out of The Economist this week.
Didn't know that Libya could be divided....
Kinda like Turkey and Kurdistan where it was originally one land...
I'm not at all sure of how it will play out, but unification is better in my eyes.
Im not sure what kind of strategic games they are playing but all I can think about is divide and conquer :(
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Before Gidaffi, you had two groups of people: People who support him and the rebels.
But the rebels are actually split, there are many, many clans.
So the problem comes is how do you split that land for the different clans?
Who takes over?
Chances are, there won't be democracy. Just another civil war in Africa. Then just another dictator.
But the rebels are actually split, there are many, many clans.
So the problem comes is how do you split that land for the different clans?
Who takes over?
Chances are, there won't be democracy. Just another civil war in Africa. Then just another dictator.
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Stenta wrote...
Before Gidaffi, you had two groups of people: People who support him and the rebels.But the rebels are actually split, there are many, many clans.
So the problem comes is how do you split that land for the different clans?
Who takes over?
Chances are, there won't be democracy. Just another civil war in Africa. Then just another dictator.
What will most likely happen is very different from what western countries want to happen.
I agree with you that another dictator is extremely likely. One of the strongest reasons why is because of Lybia's economy which is based on oil.
Basically, dictators gain power by seizing the economy of the nation. If a dictator attempts to seize control of an economy based on something like textile mills or agriculture (i guess but maybe not), the citizens can simply disinvest and/or move their businesses elsewhere. In thies picture of an industrialized economy, the government depends on their citizens, giving the people of the country a credible "exit threat"(but I won't get into political games).
Lybia's economy is of course not industrialized, and instead relies on the exportation of natural resources. Being "in the ground" means that the industry cannot be moved elsewhere. You cannot extract oil in Lybia when you are not in Lybia. The citizens cannot disinvest in the economy and take their business elsewhere. Therefore, the government of a nation such as Lybia relies on its citizens a whole lot less, allowing the government to do essentially whatever it wants. In other words, whatever the dictator wants.
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I really don't want to get into conspiracy theories, but after reading some of this...
http://www.gagnauga.is/index.php?Fl=Greinar&ID=169
... I don't give a fuck any more. It's probably the biggest wall of text I've ever seen, but if you're no stranger to the longer kind of essays, it's very readworthy. I'm going to read it, that's for sure. I've since long been extremely sceptical towards everything media likes and/or promotes, as I've mentioned before, and I've had this weird feeling about the Libyan crisis since the very beginning--even when I didn't know why. Which is why I welcome some proper information which isn't from mainstream media.
So yeah, I guess I'm a conspiracy theorist now... Yay!
http://www.gagnauga.is/index.php?Fl=Greinar&ID=169
... I don't give a fuck any more. It's probably the biggest wall of text I've ever seen, but if you're no stranger to the longer kind of essays, it's very readworthy. I'm going to read it, that's for sure. I've since long been extremely sceptical towards everything media likes and/or promotes, as I've mentioned before, and I've had this weird feeling about the Libyan crisis since the very beginning--even when I didn't know why. Which is why I welcome some proper information which isn't from mainstream media.
So yeah, I guess I'm a conspiracy theorist now... Yay!
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Salaryman Man wrote...
I really don't want to get into conspiracy theories, but after reading some of this...http://www.gagnauga.is/index.php?Fl=Greinar&ID=169
... I don't give a fuck any more. It's probably the biggest wall of text I've ever seen, but if you're no stranger to the longer kind of essays, it's very readworthy. I'm going to read it, that's for sure. I've since long been extremely sceptical towards everything media likes and/or promotes, as I've mentioned before, and I've had this weird feeling about the Libyan crisis since the very beginning--even when I didn't know why. Which is why I welcome some proper information which isn't from mainstream media.
So yeah, I guess I'm a conspiracy theorist now... Yay!
Well I don't know what to say about the article. However there is one ex-soldier who was working as a bodyguard for Fidel Castro, and he said he have seen Gadafis' double. The articles is in Spanish so is better not put it here. But about the lies, and lies and lies, and more lies that is practically how the politic is made.
Lies that justifies lies that make up more lies.
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I think it's pretty hard to find an unbiased approach to what actually happened.
But despite Gadaffi contributing greatly to Libya with the waterway, I still want an explanation for the censorship prior to the rebels taking over, the massive grave containing over 1000 dead bodies found, and him saying that we were supplying the protesters with drugs in their water. We also need an explanation for when he bombed his own citizens as well. (And don't point me to RT because they lie more than FOX news and capitalize on Conspiracy Theorists.)
Still, I don't approve of the NTC taking over either. Ever since the civil war they've been leading a genocide against blacks, shooting "celebratory" gunfire like maniacs, and shouting "ALLAHU AKBAR!" while looting buildings.
Now they have Sharia law? The CIA better not be just dicking around here. Whatever their strategy, I hope their end goals are worth it in the end for the world, because a LOT of people are dying over it. The sooner these ridiculous middle eastern Proxy Wars end, the better.
But despite Gadaffi contributing greatly to Libya with the waterway, I still want an explanation for the censorship prior to the rebels taking over, the massive grave containing over 1000 dead bodies found, and him saying that we were supplying the protesters with drugs in their water. We also need an explanation for when he bombed his own citizens as well. (And don't point me to RT because they lie more than FOX news and capitalize on Conspiracy Theorists.)
Still, I don't approve of the NTC taking over either. Ever since the civil war they've been leading a genocide against blacks, shooting "celebratory" gunfire like maniacs, and shouting "ALLAHU AKBAR!" while looting buildings.
Now they have Sharia law? The CIA better not be just dicking around here. Whatever their strategy, I hope their end goals are worth it in the end for the world, because a LOT of people are dying over it. The sooner these ridiculous middle eastern Proxy Wars end, the better.
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Salaryman Man wrote...
I really don't want to get into conspiracy theories, but after reading some of this...http://www.gagnauga.is/index.php?Fl=Greinar&ID=169
... I don't give a fuck any more. It's probably the biggest wall of text I've ever seen, but if you're no stranger to the longer kind of essays, it's very readworthy. I'm going to read it, that's for sure. I've since long been extremely sceptical towards everything media likes and/or promotes, as I've mentioned before, and I've had this weird feeling about the Libyan crisis since the very beginning--even when I didn't know why. Which is why I welcome some proper information which isn't from mainstream media.
So yeah, I guess I'm a conspiracy theorist now... Yay!
Well you should be wary if anything mainstream media says especially in America because it is all run by one political party and they spin and censor stories that either don't interest them or don't fit their agenda
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chriton wrote...
Well you should be wary if anything mainstream media says especially in America because it is all run by one political party and they spin and censor stories that either don't interest them or don't fit their agenda
I completely agree on this one....the media is a controlled corporation only allowing to show on television that is "appropriate" to watch and keep the public "mentally" busy and at bay from what is really going on.
It's not that the politics wanna censor "normal" information on television or the internet, it's just that they don't want people to get heavily involved in this because if the people did, then there would be massive votes against their ideas or agenda.
The last thing they want is for the people to get involved in something that could destroy the politics themselves and they will do everything to stay in power.