Illegal downloading

Uh, no?

I'm _against_ doing immoral acts against immoral people.



Hyperbole and was attempting to get an idea across with few words as possible -- that doing immoral acts against the immoral is, surprise, immoral.

Give me a few hours, I'll resolve the -rep dispute.

Agreed, pretty much my opinion.
I have a brother, whom when in college pirated a lot of games(because he was poor). Now that he is out and actually working, he is following his favorite game dev.s and purchasing their new releases, because he enjoyed the ones he used to 'steal'.

Now, be this right or wrong all depends on personal opinion. However, the simple fact of the matter is: It's going to happen. You cannot stop it. So why try even harder to protect your music with harsher copyright laws, to punish the few you catch? Why force customers to authenticate constantly via an internet connection, when it'll be cracked in a week? Thus far, what has any of that accomplished?


But, hey. Big companies are still making big bucks. Artists are still living in mansions. Consumers are still generally broke, but always find a way to buy things they want.
I think everything in moderation, and most problems are solved.

Well I do it regularly and I don't find it unethical nor it is illegal where I live. However downloading something and then making profit out of it is(without any need for discussion) both unethical, illegal and seems to happen quite frequently.

I don't consider unethical downloading for example a book and reading it because then I would have to consider unethical to get a book from a friend or lend him one so he can read it and then give it back...

Oh wow. You still believe that actions can be generalized as moral or immoral without specific detail? In essence, that the very act of theft, regardless of circumstance is immoral? Ohboythismorality...

So if lying is wrong, then it was wrong for people to lie about harboring Jews during the holocaust?

If violence is wrong, then self defense is immoral?

Do you see how ignorant that line of reasoning becomes? That is what Salaryman was trying to get across in his hitler example: That the morality of an action changes in certain circumstances.

I pirate quite frequently.

However, I do find that the things I pirate are often unique in the sense that they aren't well known, mainstream, items. Then again, I don't delude myself into thinking that because that it is the case it is some kind of justification for piracy.

I simply don't care. I don't have money, and if I want something badly enough, I pirate it. End of story. I'm not going to try to defend the "morality" (which by the way you guys need to stop throwing that word around like you have idea what you are talking about) of the situation one way or another, or defend myself with some half-assed attempt to make it seem like I'm going through some loophole to make it better for myself. I am a pirate.

Lying is wrong. So, yeah. Saving people from death is not, but lying _still_ is, even if the ends is not.

Killing is still wrong, even if it to save someone or in self defense. Probably killing someone is the only action possible to save yourself, but it still doesn't make killing people ok and avoiding death is preferable.



Yes. It is still immoral. Stealing to feed the hungry is still stealing. Sure, feeding the hungry is an admirable act, even moral act, but that doesn't make stealing moral.



Better than yours or Salaryman's, which is apparently, "I can steal from people I dislike".



And you don't see the difference in what I'm saying. While it is true that the morality of an action changes in certain circumstances, I do not get to say "Well, I don't like/disagree what this guy is doing, so I get to fuck him up and its AWLRIGHT." I know that's the morality of most thugs, but its not mine.

There's a difference between means and ends. Just because the means is moral doesn't make the ends immoral, and vice-versa. So, yeah, lying to save people is immoral. I'd be a violation of my moral code, but i'd do it because saving people is more important. That doesn't make lying moral, even if saving people is.

But stealing someone's car? Just because you you think someone is douchebag? How is that defensible? Its not even "would you steal hitler's car to save lives" no "its would you steal hitler's car?" Period. The undertext here is "would you steal hitler's car because he's an evil person"? And so, the answer is a definite no to that question.

Fatman, wow. You don't seem to understand a word I am saying. The very first sentence of your post is exactly the thing I was referring to. "Lying is wrong." I honestly can't see how a statement that generalizes so much can be made by a person who has given two seconds of thought to the subject of right and wrong. Also please stop contradicting yourself if you want to be understood:





So is the act of stealing to feed the hungry moral? You can't separate the actions like that, and say it is moral or immoral, since one must outweigh the other, thus making the action in this circumstance either moral or immoral.

TL;DR: Stop using black and white generalizations to define morality, as that is not how the world works.

And with that:

Yeah, and plus, most countries dont have a law that's strict enough to wrap up these illegal downloader.

Well the problem is how to diferenciate from a person who downloads a game/book play/read it then delete from someone who gets it from a friend and does the same. Or people who get together and buy together what they want and share between them. Or for a book I can go to a store and read it there.

Frankly the real problem is people who download and sell it, not sure how it is on other countries(though I from what I have seen it is not that different) but here on Brazil it is very common. I mean come on, getting something it is not even yours and make profit out of it, that is both illegal and unethical, I don't think anyone disagrees with me there. The worst part is that people with internet which can easily download actually buy them and suport those kind of people.

Regardless I have yet to find anything which I would have bought if I didn't find on the web for free but I have lots of things which I bought because I downloaded and liked it. So I find the discussion on making laws to regulate downloads on the web pretty, there is a lot of things far more important that could have used the time instead.