Internet pornography destroying men's ability to perform?
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Legendary_Dollci wrote...
A fact is a permanent information that stays unchanged regardless of new findings..That's absolutely fucking ridiculous. Outside of pure logic, anything and everything changes upon new findings. That's what science is, what you're referring to is faith. You can have faith in your ideas all you want, but that doesn't make them right.
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
where your sources is about surveys and research that dates back to where they couldn't know all about human behaviorFirst off, we still know very little about human behaviour. Secondly, many of the links are very recently written. On top of that, the theories on psychology are neither proven or remain the same, they are, in fact, often changing and being debated. For example, many studies show that humans are not actually monogamous, yet, you're linking me to a wikipedia article on it. By those virtues alone, it's clear you have very little knowledge on the subject.
Oh and I didn't want to bring this up cause it's kinda dickish, but,
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
I learned about psychology so that's why I can fully understand these things.Cool story, even if it's true, you're not the only one.
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Stenta wrote...
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
A fact is a permanent information that stays unchanged regardless of new findings..That's absolutely fucking ridiculous. Outside of pure logic, anything and everything changes upon new findings. That's what science is, what you're referring to is faith. You can have faith in your ideas all you want, but that doesn't make them right.
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
where your sources is about surveys and research that dates back to where they couldn't know all about human behaviorFirst off, we still know very little about human behaviour. Secondly, many of the links are very recently written. On top of that, the theories on psychology are neither proven or remain the same, they are, in fact, often changing and being debated. For example, many studies show that humans are not actually monogamous, yet, you're linking me to a wikipedia article on it. By those virtues alone, it's clear you have very little knowledge on the subject.
Oh and I didn't want to bring this up cause it's kinda dickish, but,
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
I learned about psychology so that's why I can fully understand these things.Cool story, even if it's true, you're not the only one.

Ok since we both know about psychology and the effect it has on a humans mind...
( even though you mostly posted up your opinions )
How can you make such assumptions that I have little knowledge on psychology?
( That is your opinion and not fact that I possess little knowledge)
Just because I shown articles that are recently written?
(Does NOT mean they are unreliable)
My my my are we not getting ahead of ourselves?
( since you started getting off topic in the first place)
Im glad that there is someone else that knows a little bit about psychology but that doesn't make me wrong nor does that picture prove your right.
I can show you which school I study and who my teacher is and all but that DOESN'T prove that I actually study there since most of the pictures YOU assume is gonna be unbelievable anyways...
By showing off that picture you clearly are using visible arguments which indicates you are running out of words to counter my argument...
Have a nice day
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Legendary_Dollci wrote...
How can you make such assumptions that I have little knowledge on psychology?For the provided reasons, I won't repeat myself any longer. You even quoted the post where I showed you how.
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
but that doesn't make me wrong nor does that picture prove your right.The picture is merely a response to "I learned about psychology so that's why I can fully understand these things." which had clear implications that I don't. Just clearing the air.
But aside from that, you're absolutely hypocritical. First you imply your conclusion are valid because you've learned psychology (before you edited your post, and otherwise, why would you even bother mentioning it?) but the minute I say, "Yeah. Me too." It's "Oh, that doesn't mean anything." So why does it work in your favour but not mine? Oh, I know the answer to that already.
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
By showing off that picture you clearly are using visible arguments which indicates you are running out of words to counter my argument...I would say your posts are losing content as you go along, but considering they didn't have much content in the first place, the statement is void.
I mean really, when someone posts something, backs it up with reason and sources, and you reply by saying the exact opposite "because you learned about it so you understand," there's really not much you can actually say.
And yet, even after providing reasoning, sources, journals, articles, studies and surveys to someone who hasn't even provided his reasoning,
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
( even though you mostly posted up your opinions )Just. Wow.
To note even more of your hypocritical statements:
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
Surveys are not meant to prove anything except ask a question and normal civilians answer them....an answer cannot be proven fact by sheer numbers alone.. that is ridiculous.
and a snippet out of something you posted earlier in post # 2462868
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
this was proven by a survey done on the internetJust gave me a laugh is all.
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
Have a nice dayYou too, hun. Oh, and for the future, "you are running out of words to counter my argument..." you don't have an argument. An argument requires a logically valid premise, reasonable reasons, or evidence, along with reasoning (either deductive or inductive) and a conclusion. You have provided none of the above.
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Legendary_Dollci wrote...
SnipFact
Noun
1.
something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2.
something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3.
a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4.
something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
5.
Law. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law.
Noun
1.
something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2.
something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3.
a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4.
something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
5.
Law. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law.
See the part in italics? Facts are not always the 100% truth. Until someone disputed it the Earth was flat and that was a fact.
Wikipedia is not a source that any decent university would accept as an academic source. It's good to get an idea of a subject but not enough for you to build a solid argument.
You claim that you learnt about psychology from Wikipedia is as good as saying you have your Law degree from the University of Banana Republic.
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Stenta wrote...
The general point is that "porn will make men only want overly attractive women."
What you said right there, I believe in as well. If you ponder on it, it makes sense. I will give an example, but no one please take the offensively, I don't intend to be racist, but just citing an example that will support the fact that Stenta made.
An example, the people of Africa, you that they live on and on and have children. Obviously they would have sex right? But in our perspective, the fortunate ones, do we find the women of Africa "attractive"? Not in our eyes right? Cause of "porn" the women there are exceptionally beautiful. So we tend to have a mindset, that we want more attractive women to do it, other than women that's unattractive.
You see, the men and women of Africa, don't even have porn or the leisure to browse the internet for porn. So the women there are exceptionally beautiful to them. They don't know how far beauty goes, because there is a limitation to what they have there. Traveling out of Africa is hard, so exposure to different culture and people are limited.
Take note, I am talking about the rural areas of Africa, such as the people who live in tribes, and that are nomads as well.
That being said, I hope you don't take my example racist or offending. I respect the people from Africa, as well as everyone else. I would not offend them in anyway, just because I felt like it.
My answer to this posts original question is, Not really. It only depends on the Man himself. Either, hes just horrible at it and has terrible stamina. Or he just doesnt like it, which is highly unlikely.
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All I did was give out a logical argument about psychology and how it can affect a human mind...
http://www2.bupipedream.com/release/how-porn-influences-your-sexpectations-1.2017827#.TqQEpd4Uqso
Here is a link that relates something to this topic...
Like I said I gave out a logical answer and I am pretty sure that others in this Forum have written about it as well...
When someone says he understands this stuff very well and learned psychology on the way that that doesn't give the right for you guys to be criticizing someone because it is your assumption that he may not have knowledge about it...
Now once again here is my "theory" on this PORN affects a mans performance...
"Porn is something we see, hear, and "rub" off to every time we see it ... Yet while we enjoy watching it the people actually watching porn starts developing some sort of expectation they want from other girls and men started developing certain desires.. but when performing intercourse they see that the behavior of women in real life isn't great like those behavior from porn where they scream and shout" GIVE IT TO ME" thus turning them off and their performances decreases and then no sex..."
I am not implying to everybody just for your info....
there is so much to know about these yet you desire a solid answer from me?
That is my answer and if you can give a better explanation on how Porn can affect a mans performance then please do so...
You're just giving me the impression that you guys are just evading the argument by criticizing my knowledge based on sexual psychology which I don't understand why..
but I guess everybody has their own theory based on knowledge and/or experience..
How can my answer be so complicated when I gave a reasonable and logical answer?
If you have a better answer than mine about How porn can psychologically influence a mans mind then please do so and don't desire a source which supports my argument but show me your answers since that's what mature people do.
Otherwise I cannot explain any further about how Porn can influence a mans mind an how it can also influence a mans performance with a actual female...
I did my best in explaining simple things but if you have any thing else to write then write it....
I did what I can and wrote my answer and opinion about it....
I can't get any deeper than that.
http://www2.bupipedream.com/release/how-porn-influences-your-sexpectations-1.2017827#.TqQEpd4Uqso
Here is a link that relates something to this topic...
Like I said I gave out a logical answer and I am pretty sure that others in this Forum have written about it as well...
When someone says he understands this stuff very well and learned psychology on the way that that doesn't give the right for you guys to be criticizing someone because it is your assumption that he may not have knowledge about it...
Now once again here is my "theory" on this PORN affects a mans performance...
"Porn is something we see, hear, and "rub" off to every time we see it ... Yet while we enjoy watching it the people actually watching porn starts developing some sort of expectation they want from other girls and men started developing certain desires.. but when performing intercourse they see that the behavior of women in real life isn't great like those behavior from porn where they scream and shout" GIVE IT TO ME" thus turning them off and their performances decreases and then no sex..."
I am not implying to everybody just for your info....
there is so much to know about these yet you desire a solid answer from me?
That is my answer and if you can give a better explanation on how Porn can affect a mans performance then please do so...
You're just giving me the impression that you guys are just evading the argument by criticizing my knowledge based on sexual psychology which I don't understand why..
but I guess everybody has their own theory based on knowledge and/or experience..
How can my answer be so complicated when I gave a reasonable and logical answer?
If you have a better answer than mine about How porn can psychologically influence a mans mind then please do so and don't desire a source which supports my argument but show me your answers since that's what mature people do.
Otherwise I cannot explain any further about how Porn can influence a mans mind an how it can also influence a mans performance with a actual female...
I did my best in explaining simple things but if you have any thing else to write then write it....
I did what I can and wrote my answer and opinion about it....
I can't get any deeper than that.
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Dollci, you sound exactly like someone's that taken a few courses in psychology and have had a slight exposure to the subject and thus things that slight exposure makes you understand it all the more.
Yes, some of the information you provided is indeed backed by some studies, but not to the extreme that you seem to trying to take them. You haven't seemed to learn how to actually do studies of your own and what information actually means in them, which to mean says that you have never actually gone that much further into a psychology degree, you've only done a handful of the lower level introductory classes.
More than half of the "facts" you are spewing sounds like assumptions dumped onto assumptions.
Yes, some of the information you provided is indeed backed by some studies, but not to the extreme that you seem to trying to take them. You haven't seemed to learn how to actually do studies of your own and what information actually means in them, which to mean says that you have never actually gone that much further into a psychology degree, you've only done a handful of the lower level introductory classes.
More than half of the "facts" you are spewing sounds like assumptions dumped onto assumptions.
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Takerial wrote...
Dollci, you sound exactly like someone's that taken a few courses in psychology and have had a slight exposure to the subject and thus things that slight exposure makes you understand it all the more.Yes, some of the information you provided is indeed backed by some studies, but not to the extreme that you seem to trying to take them. You haven't seemed to learn how to actually do studies of your own and what information actually means in them, which to mean says that you have never actually gone that much further into a psychology degree, you've only done a handful of the lower level introductory classes.
More than half of the "facts" you are spewing sounds like assumptions dumped onto assumptions.
Im only pointing out the things that was proved in more ways than one.
I might not fully understand it since I still need to learn about it (agreed)
I haven't made my own studies since I am still learning psychology out there.. for my own personal opinion I am still not advanced in such fields to consider studying by myself since I indeed need to go deeper in those studies...
I indeed have experience in testing out my own psychological skills with people and how people work with it.... alot of people say I am good at it and I helped them make a positive breakthrough in life but since I cannot prove this it will come across to you and others as "not believable" ....
I know that I agree on some of these peoples arguments and know themselves that that our discussions can be agreed upon, but people still desire proof of such matter and I didn't post a reliable source and for that I apologize....
if this discussion will keep on going then I will post something up in a few weeks to clearly write my facts out and to have it backed up with a very reliable source....
I am not sure if I did assume anything regarding to this matter about pornography mixed in with psychology...
I find assuming something is the same as having an opinion...
Since I am educated to say that there is always a reason behind a person's behavior or thought.
People do what they do without noticing it and then years later finding themselves asking this question.. "Why DID I watch porn all these years?"
I know because I myself have experienced the psychological influence and ideas that the media has "Subconsciously" been giving me and I asked my self the same question... that's when I decided to study about it...
I understand psychology ( In a certain degree) and how the human brain works ( In a certain degree) because I been there and I had been living like these guys in the past.... I have experiences being the victim of these things and I have gained knowledge on how to protect my self from it and how to help others from it by understanding themselves......
I hope that this will give a better explanation....
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haha. in my case, i find porn useful in getting rid of stress. But i'm way MORE turned on by real life
contact with the opposite sex. For example,in the past, meeting girls at parties and dancing with them will cause erection much harder than erection i get from porn.
blag, food coma is making explaining harder than i thought...
contact with the opposite sex. For example,in the past, meeting girls at parties and dancing with them will cause erection much harder than erection i get from porn.
blag, food coma is making explaining harder than i thought...
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KrnSurferDude wrote...
haha. in my case, i find porn useful in getting rid of stress. But i'm way MORE turned on by real lifecontact with the opposite sex. For example,in the past, meeting girls at parties and dancing with them will cause erection much harder than erection i get from porn.
blag, food coma is making explaining harder than i thought...
That is clearly explainable....
Being close to a female while dancing leads to sweating ( because of the excitement level), and sweating is pretty much called body odor and in my term "Pheromones"..
and by releasing these pheromones there are multiple chemicals being set free and thus forces MORE blood flow in the penis than an average porn video...
since a woman's odor helps a man increase it's erection size
oh and based on experience, a real women does indeed bring out the best in men which is why I praise women for their existence :)
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Stenta wrote...
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
About sources?Pick one.. there are hundreds and thousands of articles and videos regarding to human psychology and how the environment can influence our minds....
A father is smoking a cigarette and his son looks at it,, more likely he will pick up the habit of smoking based on the actions his father took and that it "Subconsciously" influenced his son.... These sources date back in the 90s, so pick a timeline and read about it.. im not your agent who gathers infos for ya....
This makes some various presumptions. First, in this, it's a young lad being influenced by his father. Children are very influenced by their environment and even more so their parents. But that's hardly a good example, since we're talking about grown men. The required age is 18 after all.
Further more, when you're presenting an argument, you are required to show your facts. What you're doing is saying "I know more than you. I'm right and this is what I have to say" and calling that an argument.
There is no smoking age, in America.
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With the way this thread has been going, i feel i must direct some of you to this thread, before it gets any worse in here.
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Luke Piewalker wrote...
There is no smoking age, in America.Wouldn't know, I'm Canadian.
But I was talking about the legal age to view pornography, on average, by region.
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Luke Piewalker wrote...
There is no smoking age, in America.lol, actually there most certainly IS. They check ID, and we no longer have cig vending machines in the US to assure that age is checked.
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gizgal wrote...
Luke Piewalker wrote...
There is no smoking age, in America.lol, actually there most certainly IS. They check ID, and we no longer have cig vending machines in the US to assure that age is checked.
You're right, I just tried to give a cigar to my 5 year old cousin and the damn thing refused to light.
The man.
Getting me down.
Edit: My bad, Stenta.
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gizgal wrote...
Luke Piewalker wrote...
There is no smoking age, in America.lol, actually there most certainly IS. They check ID, and we no longer have cig vending machines in the US to assure that age is checked.
Eighteen in most states, nineteen in a few states and counties.
I think they were referring to the legality of smoking, and in that case, no there is no smoking age. It is not illegal to smoke at any age in the United States.
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
I read a little word on the first page, and read a few statements on the website on this page.. from what i can tell, I've been looking at porn/ reading porn for many years (some from when i was younger than the legal age.. but honestly, who didn't?) I still find sex to be a great thing. if anything, reading hentai has changed my expectations from sex... but only with like one or two things. i'd say movies have more of an influence than porn. movies give people the hope that the perfect relationship is out there, when in actual fact, there is no such thing as the perfect relationship. sure it may look that way now, but at some point in time, you'll get into a fight, and feel like it's all about to end. but anyway, back on topic.. I feel it really depends on the person and how much they used porn to entertain themselves. and i'll leave it at that, cause i'm going to have to edit this post a lot for it to actually be allowed to submit >
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A lot teens under 18 watch porn and experience some type of sexuality ( it's normal considering it's called puberty) and that they ignore the laws of porn on the net.
There is always a source to set someone off because if porn doesn't spark a humans interest in sex then a female will do it since the body of a male will be naturally attracted to it. ( Such as boys saying I have a tickling sensation in my body and so)
But the only case when a man lacks performance in bed with a real women because of porn is that:
1: He has been influenced to the point of no return
2: He is an idiot and has very high expectations
3:He spends very little or no time with females at all for the body to naturally attract each other
These are "some" of the cases which is completely normal...
There is always a source to set someone off because if porn doesn't spark a humans interest in sex then a female will do it since the body of a male will be naturally attracted to it. ( Such as boys saying I have a tickling sensation in my body and so)
But the only case when a man lacks performance in bed with a real women because of porn is that:
1: He has been influenced to the point of no return
2: He is an idiot and has very high expectations
3:He spends very little or no time with females at all for the body to naturally attract each other
These are "some" of the cases which is completely normal...
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
Oh, well in those cases, it makes sense.. but I'd find those to be very rare... except the middle one.. cause like what? half the country is fucking retarded? (by which i'm talking about my country, and by which i'm also referring to people my age... or a bit older)
actually, now that i think of it.. case 3 seems to be an interesting one. Usually you find people like that (we'll assume basement dwellers) pop boners easily when seeing a woman up close.. and naked.. sometimes not naked.. that's just weird. hmmm.
actually, now that i think of it.. case 3 seems to be an interesting one. Usually you find people like that (we'll assume basement dwellers) pop boners easily when seeing a woman up close.. and naked.. sometimes not naked.. that's just weird. hmmm.
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Drifter995 wrote...
Oh, well in those cases, it makes sense.. but I'd find those to be very rare... except the middle one.. cause like what? half the country is fucking retarded? (by which i'm talking about my country, and by which i'm also referring to people my age... or a bit older)actually, now that i think of it.. case 3 seems to be an interesting one. Usually you find people like that (we'll assume basement dwellers) pop boners easily when seeing a woman up close.. and naked.. sometimes not naked.. that's just weird. hmmm.
Case 3 is really a special case but also a common one who is addicted to porn...
No matter how much you watch porn.. it will NOT give you any advice's on how how to strike gold with women....
Case 2 can be an uncommon case making people believe they are better even though they have slept less with women than watching porn online...
I guess I consider porn to be DEEP stuff.... I have my fair share of experiences and problems with it....