Is obama really a good Pres? US topic

[color=#2e1a6b]well, In the US constitution:


[color=#2e1a6b]I'm claiming I was claiming that because Obama released a forged birth certificate, he hasn't proved that he was a natural born citizen, thus ineligible for president. But to be honest, It really doesn't matter that much, since the 2 candidates in the upcoming election are pretty much identical.

I would much rather have had Obama impeached under Mr. Jones' house resolution 107

Doing the best he can, however there is simply a lot going wrong in the wake of the stock market crash and housing bubble collapse. You will hear a lot of negativity with any president to be honest, people tend to blame the government and the president when things go wrong. And yet if you study government the President isn't in charge of everything imaginable. He simply has a few jobs, to be the commander in chief of the military, and to sign bills or veto them. These bills come from congress obviously...and they haven't exactly been getting along in recent history.

I simply cannot put the blame on a single person when there are so many more factors in place such as the stock market, large companies, housing market, arguments in congress, and so on. And the government CANNOT control them/their decisions realistically.

All in all, I think he is doing a good enough job considering the mess he was left to clean up. He was able to catch one of the most wanted men in recent history, the healthcare act is going to provide a lot of help to families in need and generally is good for the public, he deals with a congress that simply cannot agree on anything regardless of how big or small the issue is, and he has taken a few good moral stances that I agree on.

As for that "birther" conspiracy, he already released his birth certificate. He was born in Hawaii. Its on one of the govt webpages. If that isn't proof enough then I dunno what to say. Falsifying this document would put him in a "disadvantageous" situation. No reason to lie period.

And as for me being "biased" in some way, I have all types of friends from different political standpoints. I tend to take the middle road and listen to what people have to say then judge based on what I consider to be my values. Don't discriminate, try to be fair to most ppl, look at facts(no not fox or msnbc, actual facts pls).

Although I will say this, Politics is an iffy subject. Keep in mind that not everybody will agree with you and you will just have to accept that. I've had a few friends who were of the type that simply couldn't keep their views to themselves and it just was bad for everybody. He was for the Arizona immigration act, my other friend is of Mexican descent+here legally and didn't like the act, they got into a fight/had a falling out. Bad for everybody, they refuse to talk to each other now. So everybody chill out and think. And please don't downvote/be mature.

He supports the drug war and renewed the patriot act. Plus he BSed his opposition to the NDAA by not even putting up a fight.

He's definitely not better than many other politicians.

The job of the American president is to protect the liberties of his people. I don't care how he justifies his actions, because he hasn't been doing his job properly. Who cares if it's overblown? He's not doing his job. End of story.

Of course, I have the same criticism to most presidents.

Also, why must a budget (NDAA) need to grant new military-police powers?

I don't have time to address all these, so I'll just hope someone else in the thread does it for me.

Though to be fair, I do agree on equal rights for gays... The real question is why marriage is a federal issue instead of civil? Why is the government involved at all?

The man is obviously trying. If you have an issue with that, then elect someone who doesn't give a shit and see where we go from there. Besides, the president has to deal with congress to actually accomplish anything, and if they in any way oppose the president then nothing gets accomplished,

[color=#2e1a6b]I never understood how gay marriage is such an issue. From what I understand, a civil union grants all the privileges that a marriage does, it just uses a different word. I never hear any outcry against civil unions, so... it seems like the whole "gay marriage" issue is just a fight over a name. Seems pretty mundane to me, and completely unnecessary for the government to be involved in.


[color=#2e1a6b]That's the same guy that said

[color=#2e1a6b]I'm not wasting my time with him

I learned this from one of my classes:

In a marriage, the significant other can be considered as family and can be considered for the fate of another in a coma or in grave condition. I was told that there are many other laws that NEED a family member and thus why marriage is needed for some, I only remember this one. One of the big reasons why gay couples want to be allowed to get married.


As for the government and the people making outcries of "injustice" and "prejudice", I have seen it as a distraction from the government and as a "feel better for supporting gay marriage and to feel like a "shining knight" in this world" from a ton of people. The problem with the people it's that a lot don't really care about the gay couples and just want to feel "special" for making it legal for them to get married. But I have seen the people become too extreme for trying to make this possible and gotten to the point where it feels like little kids crying over something they never cared for and/or never will.

I can't really say for now, all we have to do is to wait for the result for all his decision have been executed. If it's fail then that's when we can say that B Obama have fail. But he did manage to bring back our boys from the battlefield at Iraqi.

what do you guys think of our president?? Give me every thought. like do you think he is making the CHANGE?? or is he too laided back and hip

I don't think he has really done much, just whatever gets him more votes (which is what almost every politician does anyway or anyone needing votes for power), but his true side did come out once the Sandy Hook shooting happened. Think about it, just why is he along the lines of anti-gun? It's already in the Constitution that one has the right to bear arms, everyone knows the Jefferson quote of how guns hold well against tyranny and people have the guts to say it's outdated? If one day, the government takes away all the firearms, then only the authorities have it THEN the government can control the land. This is what the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid.

One thing that is surprising is how the Latinos and Gays rally for Obama, even though he never did anything concerning their ideas. He was against gay marriage and is now for it? Immigration reform? He needs to back up his own words there. Then, if any criticism comes his way, supporters call those people racist? Why? People badmouthed all the past presidents before hand and some had good opinions and others bad and no one cared.

My biggest problem is how thanks to all sorts of biased media, people have painted the Republican party as just pure evil and Democrat party as pure good. There really isn't any good nor evil in politics, it's mostly self-gain for them. Fanatics from all sides don't bother looking at all issues and only ones that help THEIR OWN agendas, which is hypocritical.

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Hmm...I don't think much about him personally. Care more about the issues.

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Perhaps you should use the search function clairefarron198.

We all know what went down in that 2008 election, you're a decent politition with a winning complexion. You're all Barak and no bite, been no change and we're all still hoping, that you'll shut your mouth, but like guantamano bay they're both open. - EpicLloyd

But seriously, If you want to be the man in charge, don't make promises you can't keep. You'll gain some respect that way. Well at least that's how it works here. Is the rule there majoity vote in a senate? That's what I was taught. If that's correct then the problem is him not getting the votes for change. Again, that's just how I was told it works. I'm going to go look that up now, but if that's correct, maybe you should fixate all this towards them.

Don't hate the player, hate the game... And every politician that plays it, so... Yeah, hate the player.

Also, do what cruz said.

What the president is doing is besides me. The main point of my disapproval though, goes to the fact that he isn't keeping his promises (not that anybody does). My main point of anger at the government right now is the U.S. Senate. It's not getting ANYTHING done; many of their proposals and bills are not pragmatic at all.

I will have to say that im a democrat as in so far no republican so far has appealed to me and bush sucked so bad pigeons literally took a crap on him but thats beside the point.I have been watching this whole race and well for some people it was a choice of two "lesser evils" the lesser of them at this time being obama even with the blantant gerry mandering but some republicans.They lost for Several reasons(fi you want to know from my view what they are ask away) and everyone forgets that promises cant be made if not carried out by the house of reps none and the "estate"senate so i would say for right now he is trying but literally what can be done in 3 minutes?because if you watch a house in session thats how long the sessions are until they adjourn it a week after.If you think about it both the house of reps and the senate members are traitors who committing treason by doing war with the american people for being unable to do their job and doing what is necessary for the country its a shame so is obama better yes hes a hell of alot better than romney who is just a horrible mess and wanting to send a representative an email he wont reply until 4 months later with even a paragraph

Basically, I'll never be content with a president, unless our country becomes socialist/ we get a president who won't conform the wills of the people (In a good way)



Basically, at this point where a vast majority of Americans are idiots, the only way for our presidents to stop being so moderate/conservative is to have an elective monarchy for a few generations, with each one being socialist.

As a non-American,some may argue on my opinion(s) but overall I think he is not doing as good as he promised.True, he inherited a very economically & financially damaged USA from the previous administration but after 4+ years things are still pear-shaped.Saying that, he can't be blamed on everything.The people he has with and under him along with the lobbyist he has to tend to are not helping much.My 2 cents worth is all. :)

I give him points for effort.