Is the game worth winning if you're breaking all the rules?
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dragonsheart967 wrote...
On S4 League, there isn't a day you have to deal with hackers. They get annoying as fuck in that game, considering some hacks are worse than others. Cheating just takes the fun out of everything, for everyone. Today, people are more obsessed with WINNING, rather than PLAYING, that they get the mentality that they want to win and will do the gayest stuff to do so.I agree, and as shown, most hackers suck at aiming/dodging thus they rely on god mode/speed/HMG Mega bullet hacks to win. Why cheat in a PvP game? They are there to be challenging and its not like you get a reward for winning. I can understand hacking in games like Grand Chase because... grinding is boring and you're doing it alone. It doesn't hurt anyone, and maybe help some people.
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meltme wrote...
And to win this game, you need an edge. Either its extra practice time outside of what is permitted (Michigan football), secretly recording practices of opponents (New England Patriots, "spygate"), or having a near limitless payroll for the purpose of signing the best players all the time (The Yankees). All that matters at the professional level in sports is winning. Winning with integrity is a very very distant second.The other day, I was watching a rerun of South Park. It was the one where Cartman taught the inner-city kids how to cheat and kept bringing up the New England Patriots as an example. Whenever he did, I thought to myself, "How is that even cheating?" I mean, I can watch a football game at home and notice how a team acts, so how is a football doing it considered cheating?
Same with all the examples you mentioned - how can you prohibit practicing? If someone wants to spend all their free time practicing, it's their choice. It doesn't give them an edge because everyone else has the same option. As for having the money to get the best players, the players themselves decide who to play for. You can't restrict that.
I guess another difference between video games and sports is that there are inherently a lot of rules inside a video game, that you have to try hard to get past, whereas the only rules within sports pertain to the actual game (can't use your hands during soccer, for example), and all other rules are imposed but aren't really a part of the game.
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K-1 wrote...
Same with all the examples you mentioned - how can you prohibit practicing? If someone wants to spend all their free time practicing, it's their choice. It doesn't give them an edge because everyone else has the same option. As for having the money to get the best players, the players themselves decide who to play for. You can't restrict that.NFL has a salary cap. Even the richest teams like the Redskins or Dallas Cowboys can only spend so much money on players, letting smaller market teams like the Steelers or New Orleans Saints have a even playing field money wise.
Also, tv broadcast don't show hand signals. The coaches also cover their mouths when they call plays. Patriots were filming the play walkthroughs, hand signals, and play calls. That is cheating.
It is also being extremely idiotic. I can't understand why a team/person would cheat when they are already vastly better then their opponent.
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If a rule is not enforced, it might as well not exist; the only thing I request is consistency
this is how I view any rule, not just in games, but in life too. I will use 3 examples of how this is applied:
if the speed limit is 50, and I go 54, I probably won't get a ticket. because the rule isn't enforced at 54, the speed limit might as well be 54. the only problem is that there is an inconsistency with how it is enforced.
If Baseball players could get away with using steroids, they obviously would. because it is enforced that they can't, they usually don't. again, what's most important is that they're consistent with what they enforce, meaning either everyone is allowed to or no one is
in a multiplayer videogame, it's more complicated. in the above examples, there was a higher authority to govern the rules, this isn't the case here. The players themselves enforce what the rules are, so it's up to the majority to enforce them. If the majority cheated to have unlimited ammo, then it is not being enforced, and a rule against it might as well not exist. If a few people are using an invincibility cheat, then it's up to the majority to enforce them. again, the majority should be consistent with what is enforced.
I don't play multiplayer games, but I do speed, and I play Basketball. in both cases, I break every rule that's not enforced, but I get really annoyed with inconsistent enforcement, and I'm constantly screaming "you didn't call a foul on them but you called the same foul on us!"
this is how I view any rule, not just in games, but in life too. I will use 3 examples of how this is applied:
if the speed limit is 50, and I go 54, I probably won't get a ticket. because the rule isn't enforced at 54, the speed limit might as well be 54. the only problem is that there is an inconsistency with how it is enforced.
If Baseball players could get away with using steroids, they obviously would. because it is enforced that they can't, they usually don't. again, what's most important is that they're consistent with what they enforce, meaning either everyone is allowed to or no one is
in a multiplayer videogame, it's more complicated. in the above examples, there was a higher authority to govern the rules, this isn't the case here. The players themselves enforce what the rules are, so it's up to the majority to enforce them. If the majority cheated to have unlimited ammo, then it is not being enforced, and a rule against it might as well not exist. If a few people are using an invincibility cheat, then it's up to the majority to enforce them. again, the majority should be consistent with what is enforced.
I don't play multiplayer games, but I do speed, and I play Basketball. in both cases, I break every rule that's not enforced, but I get really annoyed with inconsistent enforcement, and I'm constantly screaming "you didn't call a foul on them but you called the same foul on us!"
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I say depends on the game.
For a game like Monster Hunter or Final Fantasy or such, I won't use cheats because it would ruin the whole fun of it. Oh, walkthroughs are fine tho, it's difficult to have 100% completion without them lol.
But for a game like yugioh or any other card game, there is one cheat that I always use, and that is HAVE ALL CARDS UNLOCKED. I mean, it's not fun to play unless you have the full combo right?
For a game like Monster Hunter or Final Fantasy or such, I won't use cheats because it would ruin the whole fun of it. Oh, walkthroughs are fine tho, it's difficult to have 100% completion without them lol.
But for a game like yugioh or any other card game, there is one cheat that I always use, and that is HAVE ALL CARDS UNLOCKED. I mean, it's not fun to play unless you have the full combo right?
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Depends. Like in medicine, were breaking the rules by extending lifespan. Some think this is good, some don't. In games, sure if you're gae. Etc, etc
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I use cheat code a lot, RPG mostly. but I only use it when harvesting and leveling becoming a hassle and don't have much time between my part-time works and study.
I consider cheating as a one way to enjoying a game.
I consider cheating as a one way to enjoying a game.
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Is there a reward for winning? Then it certainly is worth it.
I play quite a bit of Starcraft 2 and I'm quite good at it. One day a come across a well known player who usually streams all his play and gives a bit of commentary while doing it. And i decided to check if he was streaming which he was, and i decided to listen in. And not so surprisingly i won. It really didn't felt any fun winning that way and I regret it. But if there would have been some kind of reward for winning....
I play quite a bit of Starcraft 2 and I'm quite good at it. One day a come across a well known player who usually streams all his play and gives a bit of commentary while doing it. And i decided to check if he was streaming which he was, and i decided to listen in. And not so surprisingly i won. It really didn't felt any fun winning that way and I regret it. But if there would have been some kind of reward for winning....
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For me I don't mind breaking the rule as long as it has no bad effects to the people around me. As long as you're having fun and you're satisfy with your actions. People have different perspective, if you cannot endure the conscience of cheat don't do it and if you can go and win.
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Actually, it depends on the individual, whether or not one places integrity above results or vice versa.
In video games, cheating may seem harmless, especially when playing against the AI. Gamers may have tried means and ways to get pass a certain scenario but to no avail, so they resort to cheats. On the other hand, in online games, some people may resort to cheating in order to obtain those rare items, otherwise impossible, or extremely difficult to get.
In sports and other aspects, the huge amount of prize money which comes from winning may prompt individuals to cheat. To a certain extent, they may consider cheating a small risk to achieve their desired results.
In video games, cheating may seem harmless, especially when playing against the AI. Gamers may have tried means and ways to get pass a certain scenario but to no avail, so they resort to cheats. On the other hand, in online games, some people may resort to cheating in order to obtain those rare items, otherwise impossible, or extremely difficult to get.
In sports and other aspects, the huge amount of prize money which comes from winning may prompt individuals to cheat. To a certain extent, they may consider cheating a small risk to achieve their desired results.
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Hanasaku
i should just die
Cheating in a games turns the game (if competitive) to absolute for fun.
That said, I've cheated in games before, and after a while of cheating, say, 2-3 days, you'll feel bored and you'll most likely get bored playing the game properly again.
That said, I've cheated in games before, and after a while of cheating, say, 2-3 days, you'll feel bored and you'll most likely get bored playing the game properly again.
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Still don't know why some people opt for the instant win cheat. Why play the game besides seeing the victory screen?
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Answering this I will not lie.
I, can open heartedly say that I cheated when I was young.
But I didn't play the game for the fun of it back then.
I played because I wanted to win, now I never cheat.
Because I know that if I'm defeated then I'm defeated.
It's as simple as that and I'll just have to train to win.
I, can open heartedly say that I cheated when I was young.
But I didn't play the game for the fun of it back then.
I played because I wanted to win, now I never cheat.
Because I know that if I'm defeated then I'm defeated.
It's as simple as that and I'll just have to train to win.
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I don't think we really need to connect cheating in a game to something like Shakespeare's plagiarism.
If we're only talking about a game I guess cheating does take away the satisfaction of working to beat it legitimately. It's similar to setting goals in life and working hard to achieve them. You feel better about yourself and boost your self-confidence.
If we're only talking about a game I guess cheating does take away the satisfaction of working to beat it legitimately. It's similar to setting goals in life and working hard to achieve them. You feel better about yourself and boost your self-confidence.
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For me, cheating on games is something i do when i finish the game many times.
i cant play any physical games so i do indulge myself in this, sometimes it is fun, but use to much and you'll get bored
i cant play any physical games so i do indulge myself in this, sometimes it is fun, but use to much and you'll get bored
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Depends on the game and depends on the rules.
I mad cheat all the time in single player games. I have no problems entering the konami code and getting 30 lives, for example. I play video games to relax, and if something is frustrating me rather than me relaxing then something is wrong.
However, I try not to be a douchebag when it comes to competitive games. The thing with cheating in competitive games is that you're depriving someone else of his fun, which is just wrong.
This also applies to real life. If its something that only affects me, I have no problems cheating. If its something that affects someone else, I'll play by the rules.
I mad cheat all the time in single player games. I have no problems entering the konami code and getting 30 lives, for example. I play video games to relax, and if something is frustrating me rather than me relaxing then something is wrong.
However, I try not to be a douchebag when it comes to competitive games. The thing with cheating in competitive games is that you're depriving someone else of his fun, which is just wrong.
This also applies to real life. If its something that only affects me, I have no problems cheating. If its something that affects someone else, I'll play by the rules.
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Honestly? My feelinngs on the subject have changed throughout my life. Growing up I would use Game Shark or any other cheating method to get through a game, the important part wasn't the game itself, but winning.
As I've gotten older, I fid myself only referencing, say a strategy guide at the most, and even then only if I'm stuck on a puzzle, otherwise, it's just no fun to play a game anymore. I don't play a game to win, and for some games, I'll stop prior to winning, and start a whole new game, because it's the playing of the game that's fun now, not the winning. I think I developed that playing Oblivion. XD
As I've gotten older, I fid myself only referencing, say a strategy guide at the most, and even then only if I'm stuck on a puzzle, otherwise, it's just no fun to play a game anymore. I don't play a game to win, and for some games, I'll stop prior to winning, and start a whole new game, because it's the playing of the game that's fun now, not the winning. I think I developed that playing Oblivion. XD
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On a game level, depends on the type of game it is. If it's something like Saints Row or GTA, then the game is enhanced by cheats. Flying cars, raining pedestrians, and shot gun canes are cool as fuck. Running out of bullets is not fun! :) If it's a game like chess, cheating would be a mockery to the sport,ot to mention disrespect for your opponent. With competitive games it's wrong, unless you both have the same cheats. Fantasy games no cheating. In real life, it all depends on which rules are being enforced. If I'm in a class with a ton of cheating people and the teacher leaves and the smart kid decides to start telling answers then I'd be a fool not to copy them down. (this coming from the smart kid who would do that during French and Math to help people pass)
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Depends really on the nature of the game. If it is something more towards single player, then I wouldn't mind cheating if it doesn't get rid of the fun of the game. But majority of the time, I finish what I started and then I'll cheat. Online is a definite no. Sure, it's fun to watch people rage at you but if it involves friends I know online, bugger that.
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Life is an ever changing game. And if you don't cheat in some situations of this game, then you fall under or become a generic.
Know when to cheat and not to cheat, then you can win this game. If you simply do not cheat, you fall closer to losing this game. Simple.
Like Mohandas Gandhi, who used a cheat code called Peace and Diplomacy.
Know when to cheat and not to cheat, then you can win this game. If you simply do not cheat, you fall closer to losing this game. Simple.
Like Mohandas Gandhi, who used a cheat code called Peace and Diplomacy.