Legalizing Marijuana in California (Proposition 19)
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rueaku wrote...
Spoiler:
One day, when all those old biddy's who voted against it are dying of cancer, and wish they had something to alleviate their pain, their doctor will tell them that the best way to make them comfortable is illegal.
And then they'll be sorry.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
You realize that you can just get the med care for anything now. I got it for my pains from diabetic peripheral neuropathy and my Simple partial seizures and epileptic seizures. My brother got it for his headaches.
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The weed's effect as a psychoactive drug is still a subject of debate, since it's effects can be changed by the user's perception to it. Back in the old days when it was first used, it was thought as a depressant, and so those who used it report feeling drowsy and slowed. Now, however, it is more often thought of as a stimulant, and more people reply feeling high from it. So until we understand more about what it actually does to the human body, we can't argue it's legalization based on medical terms.
But legalizing it is more than just looking at health issues. We're also looking at the overall impact it has on society. I'm sure there's plenty here who has seen or even know people that had their lives destroyed directly or indirectly by marijuana, and people who benefit from this destruction. But what allows for this to happen isn't so much the drug in question, but its users.
So this is more a question of responsibilities and control. Of course, people are going to respond differently to marijuana, but overall it does exert control over people with its addictiveness. However, the difference between those who use it recreationally and those who are addicts are the way they decide to use it. If they feel that the drug should not control their actions, then they won't allow it to. They'll limit their use and stop when they had enough. This difference in control is what makes marijuana a possible candidate for legalization, as other psychoactive drugs leaves their users with only one ending: hopeless addiction.
So legalization is questionable at this point, because we all know people aren't all perfectly responsible for their own actions, and so the freedom to use it can't not apply to them, much in the same way as children can't decide for themselves to have sex or use a gun: they can't handle the responsibilities over the possible destruction it can cause to themselves or others.
Of course, banned substances will have a niche market of the illegal variety, but that's something we'll have to deal with, as with all things illegal. Unbanning alcohol may have stopped the bootlegging, but it sure hasn't stopped the drinking. So you can't really say that the appeal of smoking joints will decrease due to legalization. If anything, they'll smoke more and can now do so in public.
But legalizing it is more than just looking at health issues. We're also looking at the overall impact it has on society. I'm sure there's plenty here who has seen or even know people that had their lives destroyed directly or indirectly by marijuana, and people who benefit from this destruction. But what allows for this to happen isn't so much the drug in question, but its users.
So this is more a question of responsibilities and control. Of course, people are going to respond differently to marijuana, but overall it does exert control over people with its addictiveness. However, the difference between those who use it recreationally and those who are addicts are the way they decide to use it. If they feel that the drug should not control their actions, then they won't allow it to. They'll limit their use and stop when they had enough. This difference in control is what makes marijuana a possible candidate for legalization, as other psychoactive drugs leaves their users with only one ending: hopeless addiction.
So legalization is questionable at this point, because we all know people aren't all perfectly responsible for their own actions, and so the freedom to use it can't not apply to them, much in the same way as children can't decide for themselves to have sex or use a gun: they can't handle the responsibilities over the possible destruction it can cause to themselves or others.
Of course, banned substances will have a niche market of the illegal variety, but that's something we'll have to deal with, as with all things illegal. Unbanning alcohol may have stopped the bootlegging, but it sure hasn't stopped the drinking. So you can't really say that the appeal of smoking joints will decrease due to legalization. If anything, they'll smoke more and can now do so in public.
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x-gen wrote...
Spoiler:
i disagree. i direct you to some reputable sources:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html
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I don't particularly care one way or another, but I find it unlikely since their is no precedent for making an illegal drug via the Controlled Substance Act of 1970 (particularly a drug that is listed in Schedule 1) as a legal drug somewhere down the tenure. A Schedule 1 drug is listed because:
Nixon drafted that act to specifically make it very difficult for a Schedule 1 drug to ever be moved to another Schedule, nevertheless legalize laboratory testing or worse to remove it in it's entirety.
(A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
Nixon drafted that act to specifically make it very difficult for a Schedule 1 drug to ever be moved to another Schedule, nevertheless legalize laboratory testing or worse to remove it in it's entirety.
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animefreak_usa wrote...
You realize that you can just get the med care for anything now. I got it for my pains from diabetic peripheral neuropathy and my Simple partial seizures and epileptic seizures. My brother got it for his headaches.True, friend of mine just got one a month ago for "headaches".
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@ Mr. Shag
Thank you for the interesting articles. It's nice to see a plan working for a change. However, I just want to draw your attention to a small detail from the article.
Notice how it is mentioned that the law is changed only for the users of the drug, but not for the dealers? This is an important distinction between Portugal's project and total legalization. In the manner they went about it, they're effectively treating the users as a victim, rather than accomplice of the dealers and makers. This is important, as the small fine, medical treatments, and education will discourage drug use, allowing for the users to break their addiction, or at the very least, keep them and others safe from dieases and crimes. It does not reward the dealers in any way and does not allow for the creation and distribution of the drugs. This meant that drug rings are still restricted in volume and sales, keeping the amount of banned substances low.
On the other hand, total legalization means that there will also be nothing to stop the dealers from making the drugs or selling them on the streets. No doubt that if legalization does occur there will be regulations controlling the making and selling of the drug, but that still means the drug will be freely available to do harm on the healthcare system. One thing that is good though, would be the lowered crime rate, due to freely available drugs that will be produced with oversight, rather than the meth laced shit people usually get. And legalizing a drug does not change it's addictiveness, so it can still destroy people's lives in much the same way it does to addicts now.
But hey, again, lower crime rate, which I'm sure is what the people pushing for legalization is after, right...? (cough)
Thank you for the interesting articles. It's nice to see a plan working for a change. However, I just want to draw your attention to a small detail from the article.
Notice how it is mentioned that the law is changed only for the users of the drug, but not for the dealers? This is an important distinction between Portugal's project and total legalization. In the manner they went about it, they're effectively treating the users as a victim, rather than accomplice of the dealers and makers. This is important, as the small fine, medical treatments, and education will discourage drug use, allowing for the users to break their addiction, or at the very least, keep them and others safe from dieases and crimes. It does not reward the dealers in any way and does not allow for the creation and distribution of the drugs. This meant that drug rings are still restricted in volume and sales, keeping the amount of banned substances low.
On the other hand, total legalization means that there will also be nothing to stop the dealers from making the drugs or selling them on the streets. No doubt that if legalization does occur there will be regulations controlling the making and selling of the drug, but that still means the drug will be freely available to do harm on the healthcare system. One thing that is good though, would be the lowered crime rate, due to freely available drugs that will be produced with oversight, rather than the meth laced shit people usually get. And legalizing a drug does not change it's addictiveness, so it can still destroy people's lives in much the same way it does to addicts now.
But hey, again, lower crime rate, which I'm sure is what the people pushing for legalization is after, right...? (cough)
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I don't smoke it or want to, but go for it. I agree with most people here, there should be no issue with it. Besides just the fact that we have better shit to worry about (as far as lawmaking and bettering the country) ;)
Of course, I know it's not as simple as that. Something like this would change the country a lot, either for good or for bad (probably good). But still. Really? Pot?
Just do it, at least try out legalizing it. Then let's move on for now :)
Of course, I know it's not as simple as that. Something like this would change the country a lot, either for good or for bad (probably good). But still. Really? Pot?
Just do it, at least try out legalizing it. Then let's move on for now :)
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Read this and heard of this...
The anti- pot ads and blogs are all payed by the growers in the north(emerald triangle) because if they did legalize it, the farms would be in the central valley where 85% of the farming is and where 60% of the food is grown for the nation and some stuff for the world. Anything to keep wetbacks and dirt farmers poor ah?
The anti- pot ads and blogs are all payed by the growers in the north(emerald triangle) because if they did legalize it, the farms would be in the central valley where 85% of the farming is and where 60% of the food is grown for the nation and some stuff for the world. Anything to keep wetbacks and dirt farmers poor ah?
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I don’t care if they legalize marijuana in California because most Californians grow their own so legalizing it won’t make a difference in the War on illegal drugs. The Mexican drug lords make only 3% of their profits in California; it’s the other states that bring in the gold. I know that most of you guys know that Marijuana is healthier than alcohol and safer, but I personally hate the smell and will avoid anyone I meet that smokes often.
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Well I didn't care to read the other replys so sorry if I repeat XP Legalizing pot will have many benifits lol. Two of which I see will be certain. One thing would be a decrease in gang business associated with weed. Why deal weed when there's a pot store around the corner? Also the illegal imports from mexico will diminish. Why risk getting weed across the border when they're selling it in stores? You don't see people jumping the border with a crate full of beer do you? And lasty there will be a chill... Hip.... Loving California after words XP
Well that's all I got lol....
Well that's all I got lol....