Money Or God?
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I stumbled upon this question in my sociology class last week and my collage class of close to 75 people debated for close to two hours on which thing has had a more measurable impact on the world at large. And considering that Fakku! has such a large fan base. I decided to ask you guys your opinion on it. So please give me your insight.
[size=12]Please no heated religious debates people. I can start a topic for that if i see that is what is happening in this topic. This is not a bash on religion in the least, i just hope we can all be adults here :3 [/h]
[size=12]Please no heated religious debates people. I can start a topic for that if i see that is what is happening in this topic. This is not a bash on religion in the least, i just hope we can all be adults here :3 [/h]
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God
more likely than not, it kept people in moral way of life
could make people "thankful for what they have" rather than "cursing what they don't have"
simply said, pillar of sanity
more likely than not, it kept people in moral way of life
could make people "thankful for what they have" rather than "cursing what they don't have"
simply said, pillar of sanity
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That is a valid point but money has literary destroyed nations and kingdoms and Brought about the rise of nations and kingdoms as well.
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And what brought the remnant of the destroyed and newly formed one to control?
money? it could, but won't last long enough
one need something to keep them from create chaos
law won't be enough, fear too would someday burst into madness
should one not morally enough to know importance of harmony
money? it could, but won't last long enough
one need something to keep them from create chaos
law won't be enough, fear too would someday burst into madness
should one not morally enough to know importance of harmony
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Neither of these can be encapsulated to measure their impact. Neither is really a defined thing. Even if you look at them as greed and morality, they are still not separable.
No offense, but the discrete perspective is a little naive.
No offense, but the discrete perspective is a little naive.
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hamsterman wrote...
Neither of these can be encapsulated to measure their impact. Neither is really a defined thing. Even if you look at them as greed and morality, they are still not separable.No offense, but the discrete perspective is a little naive.
Well i didn't want to focus on the catholic god or any specific type of deity, so that this stays as a fair discussion and not just a giant cluster fuck. Same with money, I generalize it to make it show that from the beginning of the monetary unit to present day.
I do believe they can be encapsulated to measure their impact. Look at past events. Then look at the driving force behind said events. The force that cause such events can defiantly be measured.
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Mr.TifaLockhart wrote...
Money can't buy happiness.I'll go with my lord and savior Jesus Christ.I just want you to know that this has enlightened me.
On topic: Faith does influence things, such as the al-Queda and years of art and architecture based on religion. But money is ultimately what paid for all of those things. I go with money.
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NeoStriker wrote...
Mr.TifaLockhart wrote...
Money can't buy happiness.I'll go with my lord and savior Jesus Christ.I just want you to know that this has enlightened me.
On topic: Faith does influence things, such as the al-Queda and years of art and architecture based on religion. But money is ultimately what paid for all of those things. I go with money.
You love taunting me don't you?
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NeoStriker wrote...
Mr.TifaLockhart wrote...
Money can't buy happiness.I'll go with my lord and savior Jesus Christ.I just want you to know that this has enlightened me.
On topic: Faith does influence things, such as the al-Queda and years of art and architecture based on religion. But money is ultimately what paid for all of those things. I go with money.
I actually used close to this same argument in class. And it did make people think.
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Which god you're talking about is not the issue.
The question needs rephrasing. Now it is not clear whether you are talking about organized religion, faith, morale, economy, greed or etc. They are all quite different things. It's hard to say something when I literally don't know what I'm talking about.
Though I suppose that one could argue about ambiguity indefinitely..
The question needs rephrasing. Now it is not clear whether you are talking about organized religion, faith, morale, economy, greed or etc. They are all quite different things. It's hard to say something when I literally don't know what I'm talking about.
Though I suppose that one could argue about ambiguity indefinitely..
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I think the question is pretty simple. Like others have said, its very clear cut in favor of money. I don't think modern religion would even have developed without the foundation of society created by currency.
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hamsterman wrote...
Which god you're talking about is not the issue.The question needs rephrasing. Now it is not clear whether you are talking about organized religion, faith, morale, economy, greed or etc. They are all quite different things. It's hard to say something when I literally don't know what I'm talking about.
Though I suppose that one could argue about ambiguity indefinitely..
I speak of god as a very broad topic. I could if you wish nail it down to one god or deity. And the monetary system really doesn't have to be classified, I speak of money as a whole, bartering included. And it really doesn't matter if its organized or not. If the god is still present it falls under the classification of a religion. Faith and morals are set down by every religion so there already noted. Economy and greed are natural with money so they are also noted. i also put the question open to interruption, that's what makes the question unique. How someone views the question and how the respond. But i do like the fact that you are taking an interest in this question.
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I'm going with money, I think it affects people more than religion since everybody uses money while some people do not believe in a god (like me).
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Keirova_47 wrote...
I'm going with money, I think it affects people more than religion since everybody uses money while some people do not believe in a god (like me).Ah cool a fellow atheist :D
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Religion has often been used to gain power and, in our society and most others, money equals power. So it is fair to say that religion is used as a means to attain greater wealth. Which would mean that money is more important that a god. I'll stop here so I don't dwell into the controlling aspects of religion.
Ah cool a fellow atheist :D
Hooray, more friends. I'm feeling the love here, I really am.
BlueRoux wrote...
Keirova_47 wrote...
I'm going with money, I think it affects people more than religion since everybody uses money while some people do not believe in a god (like me).Ah cool a fellow atheist :D
Hooray, more friends. I'm feeling the love here, I really am.
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What impacto are you talking about? I mean, like an impact in society or an impact in your own self? which is more important? I mean all society almost goes to hell with the aconomical crisis in 2008, but would you have cared about it if you were happy with your own self knowing that your father is with you on those difficult moments, would you jump off a building if you know He's there and can listen to you whenever you want. by saying this I'm not saying I believe in God, I in fact don't know what to believe, but if you're happy by believing in God, I think no amount of money will be enough to exchange that
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halahsv wrote...
What impacto are you talking about? I mean, like an impact in society or an impact in your own self? which is more important? I mean all society almost goes to hell with the aconomical crisis in 2008, but would you have cared about it if you were happy with your own self knowing that your father is with you on those difficult moments, would you jump off a building if you know He's there and can listen to you whenever you want. by saying this I'm not saying I believe in God, I in fact don't know what to believe, but if you're happy by believing in God, I think no amount of money will be enough to exchange that