Muhammad and the 1st Amendment
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Tsk tsk indeed 7stars. I guess somebody got their panties in a knot. Who knows how many truly offensive posts were aimed towards Christians on this site.
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I even got a -rep on it too.
but i also got a +rep so it balanced out...
at least one person realized the point of my post.
but i also got a +rep so it balanced out...
at least one person realized the point of my post.
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loosehead99 wrote...
Muhammad is just a prophet not the God, Allah. I have read and seen more controversies about Jesus Christ. The Muslims beleive Jesus Christ was just a prophet.How come the Muslims did not go after the man who wrote the Da Vinci Code?
Insulting JC is just as blasphemous but are the Muslims their usual discriminating selves?
Jesus Versus Muhammed
The Koran teaches that Jesus Christ performed Miracles (Koran 3:49, 5: ... The Koran teaches that Jesus was righteous and without sin {Koran 3:45) ...
www.babylonforsaken.com/jesusvsmuhammed
I would be able answer that if I studied their text and spent a lot of time learning why they chose one over the other.
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Kaimax
Best Master-San
loosehead99 wrote...
Muhammad is just a prophet not the God, Allah. I have read and seen more controversies about Jesus Christ. The Muslims beleive Jesus Christ was just a prophet.How come the Muslims did not go after the man who wrote the Da Vinci Code?
Insulting JC is just as blasphemous but are the Muslims their usual discriminating selves?
Jesus Versus Muhammed
The Koran teaches that Jesus Christ performed Miracles (Koran 3:49, 5: ... The Koran teaches that Jesus was righteous and without sin {Koran 3:45) ...
www.babylonforsaken.com/jesusvsmuhammed
-Yes, Muhammad is a Prophet, but he's also the last of the prophets that "supposedly" to perfect the religion. He's also the one who receives the revelations and made it into the Koran. The Koran was also supposed to be a perfection of all holy books that came before it, the Torah and the Bible. Muslims believe that those texts were neglected, corrupted (tahrif) or altered in time by the Jews and Christians and have been replaced by God's final and perfect revelation, which is the Qur'an.
-muslims didn't go for the Da vinci code, because it focuses on the Christian's religion, and the muslims didn't see it as a blasphemy, because the modern human man, since the death oh Muhammad as the last prophet are supposed to follow Muhammad's Teaching, therefore doesn't really care what happen to the previous prophet.
-Yes, Jesus is also stated in the Koran as a prophet, who can revive a dead being, and make food and water from nowhere. The Koran also stated that he's a muslim, and is not the son of god. He was also given the Injil (gospel) when he was appointed as a prophet.
-All Prophets are great and I don't see why people must make Jesus more favorable just because he was miraculous, they don't even bother to read out about the miracles of the other 23 appointed prophets that was before Jesus and Muhammad.
Point is, Muslims cares more about Muhammad, because like I said, the modern man we are now (muslims) are all Muhammad's followers, therefor they "care" more about what happens to Muhammad. Followers of the "muslim version" of Jesus is not around anymore, since they have all followed Muhammad's teachings after he was appointed as prophet.
one thing, I'm speaking as a neutral muslim.
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I think this incident is a testament to how hilarious the statement, "Islam is a religion of peace" really is.
Not really, but I'm guessing this is a "troll".
How is Harmonian's statement a troll? You been keeping up on the news lately?
HentaiElder wrote...
Harmonian wrote...
While every Muslims isn't a terrorists, most terrorists are Muslim.Not really, but I'm guessing this is a "troll".
How is Harmonian's statement a troll? You been keeping up on the news lately?
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Kaimax
Best Master-San
PersonDude wrote...
I think this incident is a testament to how hilarious the statement, "Islam is a religion of peace" really is.This peace does not apply to the traditional teachings... >_>
The bad part is, the moderate modern muslims is getting grouped together with these radicals, and they can do anything about it, since it will get them killed also...
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Speaking from the point of view of an atheist that lives in a Muslim country, born in a Buddha family, and studied in a Christian school - Don't mock each other...that's stupid...and don't play with others belief if you don't want bloodshed...
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Kaimax
Best Master-San
willy191 wrote...
Don't mock each other...that's stupid...and don't play with others belief if you don't want bloodshed...All human beings should adopt this way of thinking.
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
Kaimax wrote...
willy191 wrote...
Don't mock each other...that's stupid...and don't play with others belief if you don't want bloodshed...All human beings should adopt this way of thinking.
https://www.fakku.net/viewtopic.php?t=19680
If I can't bring myself to even respect such a belief, how do you expect me to respect them getting overzealous about things I deem stupid at best? To me it's not that people are hiding behind the Freedom of Speech. The religious lot are the ones who're too easily offended.
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Kaimax
Best Master-San
mibuchiha wrote...
Kaimax wrote...
willy191 wrote...
Don't mock each other...that's stupid...and don't play with others belief if you don't want bloodshed...All human beings should adopt this way of thinking.
https://www.fakku.net/viewtopic.php?t=19680
If I can't bring myself to even respect such a belief, how do you expect me to respect them getting overzealous about things I deem stupid at best? To me it's not that people are hiding behind the Freedom of Speech. The religious lot are the ones who're too easily offended.
That's why I want all the rules about killing/blasphemy/whatever makes them roughneck erased from the "qu'ran".... >_>
well, it's a simple action-reaction situation. If they didn't make something that will "offend" them in some way, this won't happen. and If the Muslims didn't have that "you cannot criticize me" attitude, then people will not get motivated to go pick a fight with them.. >_>
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Kaimax wrote...
That's why I want all the rules about killing/blasphemy/whatever makes them roughneck erased from the "qu'ran".... >_>Doesn't that mean you don't really agree with your religion...? Although I would be able to like Islam more if violence was erased from their roots, I just think it odd that anyone would follow a religious text only if it is convenient for them. If you believe your religious deity had a part in writing your religious text, and if you find anything you disagree with within it, I don't think you're a true believer. And please, this is not to offend, I just think it odd that Muslims who proclaim they only follow a part of the Koran can think they're really Muslims.
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Kaimax wrote...
well, it's a simple action-reaction situation. If they didn't make something that will "offend" them in some way, this won't happen.Problem: The fact that I am a middle-aged white male living a moderately good life in a first-world country offends some people. The fact that I am free to speak my mind without fear of legal recrimination* offends many more.
Many of those people thus offended are the violent nutjob type. Given the chance, I have no doubt they would kill me and everyone like me.
Some people will be offended no matter what you say and do. Trying to placate the lunatic fringe is a futile effort (and might even be taken as an insult), so it's best to just be at least moderately civil to people you actually interact with on a regular basis, and don't bother with trying to please everyone else.
and If the Muslims didn't have that "you cannot criticize me" attitude, then people will not get motivated to go pick a fight with them.. >_>
That does have some truth to it, yes. That attitude comes off as quite arrogant, and just makes others want to knock them down a peg or two.
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PersonDude wrote...
I think this incident is a testament to how hilarious the statement, "Islam is a religion of peace" really is.Well Christianity preaches peace and understanding as well, but nobody can say that the christian religion is absent of violence.
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lemiel wrote...
PersonDude wrote...
I think this incident is a testament to how hilarious the statement, "Islam is a religion of peace" really is.Well Christianity preaches peace and understanding as well, but nobody can say that the christian religion is absent of violence.
Although I do not disagree, you're digressing from the point. The point was that out of all the religions that filed complaints, only this incident caused South Park creators to pull Muhammad from their show because of a threat. Why? Because they knew that the creators were in danger of serious injury or death from this "religion of peace". Which is ironic as no other religion featured in South Park indecently went this far, while the religion that proclaimed to be all about peace got something done through violent threats.
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Well, there was quite a bit of shitstorming when South Park lampooned Scientology. Lawsuits threatened, Tom Cruise up in arms, etc.
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PersonDude wrote...
HentaiElder wrote...
Harmonian wrote...
While every Muslims isn't a terrorists, most terrorists are Muslim.Not really, but I'm guessing this is a "troll".
How is Harmonian's statement a troll?
Key word "Guessing"
I was assuming it was troll, seeing how he tends to make troll posts quite often. Haven't been on as often as I once was, so he may have stopped with the troll posts, but that's how I remember him to be and so I take caution before taking his posts seriously.
strangegreycat wrote...
HentaiElder wrote...
This is so true, in more cases than few. People say whatever they want (even if they know that their words are offensive and may provoke a harsh response) and then they hide behind the first amendment, saying they deserve to say it and shouldn't be punished. It's like calling a black a "nigger", a jew a "kike", a white a "honkey", or a hispanic a "spic" and then screaming "FREEDOM OF SPEECHS! FIRST AMENDMUNT. YOU CAN'T HIT ME OR GET MAD."
I sincerely doubt Parker and Stone are going "you can't hit me or get mad".
I wasn't talking about Parker or Stone.
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HentaiElder wrote...
strangegreycat wrote...
HentaiElder wrote...
This is so true, in more cases than few. People say whatever they want (even if they know that their words are offensive and may provoke a harsh response) and then they hide behind the first amendment, saying they deserve to say it and shouldn't be punished. It's like calling a black a "nigger", a jew a "kike", a white a "honkey", or a hispanic a "spic" and then screaming "FREEDOM OF SPEECHS! FIRST AMENDMUNT. YOU CAN'T HIT ME OR GET MAD."
I sincerely doubt Parker and Stone are going "you can't hit me or get mad".
I wasn't talking about Parker or Stone.
That was me, segueing back to the thread topic. :D
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Kaimax
Best Master-San
PersonDude wrote...
Kaimax wrote...
That's why I want all the rules about killing/blasphemy/whatever makes them roughneck erased from the "qu'ran".... >_>I just think it odd that anyone would follow a religious text only if it is convenient for them. If you believe your religious deity had a part in writing your religious text, and if you find anything you disagree with within it, I don't think you're a true believer.
IF I was a true believer I won't be in fakku in the first place >_>, all the pacifist muslims are in someway not true believers too, since they don't "stand-up" in unity and try to kill anything that criticize their religion....
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Kaimax wrote...
well, it's a simple action-reaction situation. If they didn't make something that will "offend" them in some way, this won't happen. and If the Muslims didn't have that "you cannot criticize me" attitude, then people will not get motivated to go pick a fight with them.. >_>Well, most of western civilization does something that offend fundimental Muslims, like not forcing our women to wear Burqa, we allow them to receive an education, to work, etc. So we should stop offending them? So if we shouldn't produce things that offend them in some way, like pornography, or letting south park do it's thing, then we should subjugate our women as to not offend Muslims. Then we should stop abortions, criticism of Jesus or negative depictions of the Virgin Mary so we don't offend Christians. Then we should stop criticism of Obama so Liberals aren't offended by the so called racism. Then we should stop criticism of the Tea party because they're offended by being falsely called racists. See how ridiculous it gets when we cater to one group by not offending them? Then everybody wants in on the act and try to tell everyone what they can say or do.
If we start censoring everything we say then the radicals wins. If we allowed Radical Muslims to tear down our liberty because it offends them then we are slaves to their ideology.
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ITT: So much PC faggotry.
This offending bullshit is fucking ridiculous (see post above for details), it's as if the implication is that people have the right to not be offended.
Yea, from shit like litigation. Whether or not they want it, the beauty of the right to free speech is that people are allowed to call people/matt and trey fucking assholes. Public ridicule/(non-violent/threatening)censure, nigga, have you tried it? Islamfags haven't. Frankly, that paragraph you wrote is PC faggotry at it's best.
This offending bullshit is fucking ridiculous (see post above for details), it's as if the implication is that people have the right to not be offended.
HentaiElder wrote...
then they hide behind the first amendment, saying they deserve to say it and shouldn't be punishedYea, from shit like litigation. Whether or not they want it, the beauty of the right to free speech is that people are allowed to call people/matt and trey fucking assholes. Public ridicule/(non-violent/threatening)censure, nigga, have you tried it? Islamfags haven't. Frankly, that paragraph you wrote is PC faggotry at it's best.