North Korea
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Man, those bloody NK are literally asking for getting wiped off the freakning map.
Oh and yeah, they launched their missile and, you guessed it, once again NK has failed.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/04/04/north.korea.rocket/index.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_17165_6-reasons-north-korea-funniest-evil-dictatorship-ever.html
Lulz were had. Nice find.
Oh and yeah, they launched their missile and, you guessed it, once again NK has failed.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/04/04/north.korea.rocket/index.html
Aclafire wrote...
On a seperate matter, I'm not sure if this is relevant, but i find it too funny to ignore.http://www.cracked.com/article_17165_6-reasons-north-korea-funniest-evil-dictatorship-ever.html
Lulz were had. Nice find.
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exterminatus wrote...
Pffft...North Korea has been doing this for a while and most of the time it fails drmatically. Though i do wonder about the underground nuclear experiment thing they did a while ago. Anyway, North korea has too much to risk since they no longer have the support of the Soviet Union, due to its dissoloution, and China practically shoved them off. Plus, as mentioned above, their natural resources aint worth shit and most of their people are so malnourished to the point that theyre practically midgets.
The only reason we keep em around is because theyre armed with nuclear warheads and maybe to entertain us due to their frickin hilarious comedy they call a country.
Yes, you are correct. They are weak, they don't have many resources and they've got a lot to lose if they screw up once. But they can cause a hell of a lot of collatoral damage before they go. THAT is the true reason we keep them around. You may say otherwise, but they've got the money and there are suppliers out there who will sell nukes to them and they can cause a hellova lot of hurt before they go. They might even use terrorist tactics with nukes for negotiations. The other nations are too afraid for another World War to want to intervene as well.
I really hope it's only a satellite as they claim, which I doubt like most of you here. This could be a beginning to something big, and hopefully it doesn't come down to anything drastic as my homeland is South Korea... >_>
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PersonDude wrote...
exterminatus wrote...
Pffft...North Korea has been doing this for a while and most of the time it fails drmatically. Though i do wonder about the underground nuclear experiment thing they did a while ago. Anyway, North korea has too much to risk since they no longer have the support of the Soviet Union, due to its dissoloution, and China practically shoved them off. Plus, as mentioned above, their natural resources aint worth shit and most of their people are so malnourished to the point that theyre practically midgets.
The only reason we keep em around is because theyre armed with nuclear warheads and maybe to entertain us due to their frickin hilarious comedy they call a country.
Yes, you are correct. They are weak, they don't have many resources and they've got a lot to lose if they screw up once. But they can cause a hell of a lot of collatoral damage before they go. THAT is the true reason we keep them around. You may say otherwise, but they've got the money and there are suppliers out there who will sell nukes to them and they can cause a hellova lot of hurt before they go. They might even use terrorist tactics with nukes for negotiations. The other nations are too afraid for another World War to want to intervene as well.
I really hope it's only a satellite as they claim, which I doubt like most of you here. This could be a beginning to something big, and hopefully it doesn't come down to anything drastic as my homeland is South Korea... >_>
I think it's been confirmed already that it was no satellite but a missile. A "test" missile.
But you're right. They could cause a lot of havoc before someone wipes the floor with them.
Time will tell. Until then, let's make fun of NK, shall we?
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North Korea's launching of a satellite under the pretext of enhancing its space program is an insult to anyone remotely intelligent. Learn to feed your people before launching satellites into orbit. Better yet, redo the country's budget so you can feed 10,000 malnourished babies.
Being a native South Korean with my entire extended family living in South Korea, North Korea has always been a cause of concern. I haven't been keeping up with what is going on (I blame college), but I thought they agreed to close down all their plutonium plants in exchange for oil and food.
Sadly, North Korea is not a pushover. Their standing army is huge, smaller only to China and India's military. It's greater than one million men, and they're probably armed with Kalashnikov's supplied to them from the Soviet Union before it dissolved. South Korea's army is a little greater than half that, consisting of around 600,000 men, with the US sending an additional 25,000 men at the DMZ as political and military support.
What bothers me most is the mindset of the famous midget dictator, Kim Jong Il. I don't understand how the leader of a country can be so apathetic with the well-being of his people. He has to be aware of it, but he doesn't do anything to solve it. He allocates his country's funds almost exclusively to the military. When his people get to the starving point, they're going to be desperate, and at that point, I hope cooler heads can prevail. Otherwise, southeast asia won't be hospitable for fifty+ years.
Being a native South Korean with my entire extended family living in South Korea, North Korea has always been a cause of concern. I haven't been keeping up with what is going on (I blame college), but I thought they agreed to close down all their plutonium plants in exchange for oil and food.
Sadly, North Korea is not a pushover. Their standing army is huge, smaller only to China and India's military. It's greater than one million men, and they're probably armed with Kalashnikov's supplied to them from the Soviet Union before it dissolved. South Korea's army is a little greater than half that, consisting of around 600,000 men, with the US sending an additional 25,000 men at the DMZ as political and military support.
What bothers me most is the mindset of the famous midget dictator, Kim Jong Il. I don't understand how the leader of a country can be so apathetic with the well-being of his people. He has to be aware of it, but he doesn't do anything to solve it. He allocates his country's funds almost exclusively to the military. When his people get to the starving point, they're going to be desperate, and at that point, I hope cooler heads can prevail. Otherwise, southeast asia won't be hospitable for fifty+ years.
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jmason
Curious and Wondering
beeza wrote...
North Korea's launching of a satellite under the pretext of enhancing its space program is an insult to anyone remotely intelligent. Learn to feed your people before launching satellites into orbit. Better yet, redo the country's budget so you can feed 10,000 malnourished babies.Being a native South Korean with my entire extended family living in South Korea, North Korea has always been a cause of concern. I haven't been keeping up with what is going on (I blame college), but I thought they agreed to close down all their plutonium plants in exchange for oil and food.
Sadly, North Korea is not a pushover. Their standing army is huge, smaller only to China and India's military. It's greater than one million men, and they're probably armed with Kalashnikov's supplied to them from the Soviet Union before it dissolved. South Korea's army is a little greater than half that, consisting of around 600,000 men, with the US sending an additional 25,000 men at the DMZ as political and military support.
What bothers me most is the mindset of the famous midget dictator, Kim Jong Il. I don't understand how the leader of a country can be so apathetic with the well-being of his people. He has to be aware of it, but he doesn't do anything to solve it. He allocates his country's funds almost exclusively to the military. When his people get to the starving point, they're going to be desperate, and at that point, I hope cooler heads can prevail. Otherwise, southeast asia won't be hospitable for fifty+ years.
Yep, definitely true. But what's behind this missile launch by NK, more simply, is just a means of getting food and dough. If some recall a few years ago, NK already played this same card during the Bush administration, and NK simply "dismantled" their nuclear facilities in exchange for international aid. The sad thing is, "dismantled" is not the same as "destroyed". They can just rebuild it and use it as a convenient means of easy money.
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You know it's gotta be serious when even China is at arms and threatening North Korea as well. Personally I don't find it to be a big deal. I've never liked that the U.S. and the U.N. sanctions can dictate who and who is not allowed to undergo nuclear testing and the development of nuclear energy or nuclear weapons. I mean who the hell do we think we are? (saying that as a U.S. citizen, that is) It just seems so dictatorial that we think we can decide who is allowed to have it when have such a huge stockpile of weapons.
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Tsurayu wrote...
You know it's gotta be serious when even China is at arms and threatening North Korea as well. Personally I don't find it to be a big deal. I've never liked that the U.S. and the U.N. sanctions can dictate who and who is not allowed to undergo nuclear testing and the development of nuclear energy or nuclear weapons. I mean who the hell do we think we are? (saying that as a U.S. citizen, that is) It just seems so dictatorial that we think we can decide who is allowed to have it when have such a huge stockpile of weapons.You forgot to mention the fact that there is an agreement between all the nations who have nuclear bombs. It's not the fact that they have it, it's the fact that they're violating the terms of the agreement that make us spazz out. Though, with a past like theirs, it's no wonder we're afraid anyway...
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PersonDude wrote...
Tsurayu wrote...
You know it's gotta be serious when even China is at arms and threatening North Korea as well. Personally I don't find it to be a big deal. I've never liked that the U.S. and the U.N. sanctions can dictate who and who is not allowed to undergo nuclear testing and the development of nuclear energy or nuclear weapons. I mean who the hell do we think we are? (saying that as a U.S. citizen, that is) It just seems so dictatorial that we think we can decide who is allowed to have it when have such a huge stockpile of weapons.You forgot to mention the fact that there is an agreement between all the nations who have nuclear bombs. It's not the fact that they have it, it's the fact that they're violating the terms of the agreement that make us spazz out. Though, with a past like theirs, it's no wonder we're afraid anyway...
Yeah, but that doesn't reflect on how I feel about the situation. But don't mind me I'm a pretty extreme political activist and VERY anti-United Nations. I'm not going to delve any farther or I probably end up making a lot of people hate me on here. I've got how I feel about international politics and the global economy squared away, so no reason to make me people hate me just to reiterate how I feel. ^_^;;
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I'm no proponent of US-American hegemony, nor nuclear weapons, but I'd rather have the U.S. have nukes than, say, the DPRK, or Pakistan, or India.
Why? Because nations like the U.S. and Russia are a) stable enough to (barely) not push the button out of despair, or regime-internal strife b) bound by and adhering to SALT and START I+II.
From the DPRK's view, however, it makes sense to have nukes and test them now: The aging Kim Jong Il can show his cronies he's still the head honcho and gets to choose his heir; and DPRK is unlikely to be attacked as long as they have nukes.
Why? Because nations like the U.S. and Russia are a) stable enough to (barely) not push the button out of despair, or regime-internal strife b) bound by and adhering to SALT and START I+II.
From the DPRK's view, however, it makes sense to have nukes and test them now: The aging Kim Jong Il can show his cronies he's still the head honcho and gets to choose his heir; and DPRK is unlikely to be attacked as long as they have nukes.
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Just give NK a few sacks of Rice and they'll calm down, Im not at all panicked by the situation, They wont do shit anyway.
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Well what now? Since North Korea has begun nuclear testing underground.
Does there really have to be a international disaster before the UN and the superpowers of the world take some action?
Does there really have to be a international disaster before the UN and the superpowers of the world take some action?
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What some of you are missing is that China will be reluctant to put any significant pressure on north Korea as China deals 2 billions dollars in trade annually with North Korea.
Link here
and here
Plus, the logic of not only pissing off a trading partner but, an erratic crackpot next door whose armed with nuclear missiles isn't exactly a bright move on china's behalf. They will if anything, try to play this down so they can calm the North Koreans down without any real force.
I personally believe this is just a show of domestic force in order to show the elite in the government that he still holds power while at the same time showing his poorer countrymen that his iron fist is still clenched.
On an international scale. I believe this is just a show of force to try and intimidate what he perceives as spineless cowards who won't actually do anything outside of harsh words to stop him.
Related Note; north Korea has been working on a nuclear program going all the way back to the 80's
Link here
Also for those of you who haven't paid attention to the news today North Korea claims it is no longer bound by the truce that was sign in the 1950's with South Korea. This is just another example of the temperament that China has to deal with next door which further explains the reason why china will want this to settle down as quietly and peacefully as possible.
Last one here
Link here
and here
Plus, the logic of not only pissing off a trading partner but, an erratic crackpot next door whose armed with nuclear missiles isn't exactly a bright move on china's behalf. They will if anything, try to play this down so they can calm the North Koreans down without any real force.
I personally believe this is just a show of domestic force in order to show the elite in the government that he still holds power while at the same time showing his poorer countrymen that his iron fist is still clenched.
On an international scale. I believe this is just a show of force to try and intimidate what he perceives as spineless cowards who won't actually do anything outside of harsh words to stop him.
Related Note; north Korea has been working on a nuclear program going all the way back to the 80's
The Agreed Framework signed by the United States and North Korea on October 21, 1994 in Geneva agreed that:
* North Korea would freeze its existing nuclear program and agree to enhanced International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards
* Both sides would cooperate to replace the D.P.R.K.'s graphite-moderated reactors for related facilities with light-water (LWR) power plants.
* Both countries would move toward full normalization of political and economic relations.
* Both sides will work together for peace and security on a nuclear-free Korean peninsula.
* And that both sides would work to strengthen the international nuclear non-proliferation regime.
* North Korea would freeze its existing nuclear program and agree to enhanced International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards
* Both sides would cooperate to replace the D.P.R.K.'s graphite-moderated reactors for related facilities with light-water (LWR) power plants.
* Both countries would move toward full normalization of political and economic relations.
* Both sides will work together for peace and security on a nuclear-free Korean peninsula.
* And that both sides would work to strengthen the international nuclear non-proliferation regime.
Link here
Also for those of you who haven't paid attention to the news today North Korea claims it is no longer bound by the truce that was sign in the 1950's with South Korea. This is just another example of the temperament that China has to deal with next door which further explains the reason why china will want this to settle down as quietly and peacefully as possible.
Last one here
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North Korea is kinda scaring me now but if they do launch nuclear warheads at any country there's gonna probably be a war soon after
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i probably have the worst luck cause im gonna be caught in the middle of this mess when it finally kicks off( hoping that it doesnt)
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@nimegeek wrote...
North Korea is kinda scaring me now but if they do launch nuclear warheads at any country there's gonna probably be a war soon after
The big question is whether or not China would back N. Korea up if it came to that.
I'm inclined to say no, given that China has steadily been growing as a world power, I doubt they'd want to risk war with the U.S. just to save a few billion dollars of business when they've got a good thing going. I'm sure a good war would be fairly costly. If there ISN'T war though, then China will no doubt support N. Korea against any diplomatic measures we or the U.N. try to take against them.
But, anything could happen. With the tiny number of people in N. Korea (Kim and whoever he trusts enough to spend more than an hour a day with) who hold any real power, all it could take is Kim getting a nosebleed one day and blaming it on S. Korean assassins, then the whole of east Asia could go straight into cluster-fuck mode.