prolife vs prochoice

Excuse me, but there's no "one position" to get raped in...

While I understand some people's disbelief stems from those highly-publicized cases in which a person falsely accuses someone of rape, one should NEVER deny the fact that a rape victim is INDEED a victim of a crime unless there is anything of hard evidence to prove otherwise.

You misunderstand me don't you.

But it's cool.

that's the kind of talk that makes my say this >.>
if everyone just thinks that a man (or woman in some cases) who is accused of rape is a rapist until proven innocent it would be really easy for false accusations to occur. I mean, sometimes it's easy to see that it's rape, but the truth can sometimes be very obscure.

I suppose. But if someone close to you told you they were raped, would you beleive them? We don't always see the real inside story in those cases made public, or the ones we hear about through friends. Rape is the lack of consent by either party, and unless one is present while the act occurs, one can never know the truth.
It is at the victim's discretion.
However, it is unfortunate that many cases are false or falsified for personal gain. Still, these are just a tiny percentage of real statistics, so I'd say err on the side of safety and beleive victims.

Back on topic, I'd say pro-choice: a woman has the right to her own body and should not be disallowed from preventing a child to be born that she has no ability, vested interest, or consent to bear.

eeehhh this is such a tricky topic.

Well i believe the women has the right to do what she want's to do with the baby, however i believe that the husband (or future husband w/e) should also have a say in it.

The stories I know about friends getting knocked up with a guy are pretty sad. Hell the guy will just high tail it and leave the girl all to herself. I just wish guys would be more mature and take responsibility.

Don't get me wrong, if this ever happened to me i would be scared shitless, and the thought of running away would probably occur to me. I LIKE TO BELIEVE that i would come to the decision to stick by her side and take responsibility. Have a talk about whether to keep it or get ride of it.

Considering i donated 50% of my genetic material, i would like a say in it.

Pro-choice.

Taking care of a child is a huge responsibility. The parent(s) need to be able to support all of the child's needs if they plan to keep it. Looking at just the child's sake, choosing to bring a child into a world where you can not take care of it is more irresponsible than getting pregnant in the first place.

Also, the woman may simply not want to have a child. Maybe she's too young and wants to live her life. Maybe she's selfish and doesn't want to worry about a child and what the pregnancy will do to her body.

Men, you donated 50% of your genetic material, but the woman carries it around, having the baby literally attached to her body, for about 10 months. She has more of say in the matter than you do. Granted, it sucks if you want to keep it and she doesn't, but it's her body and her child, too. You can't force her.

However, when women use abortion as a form of birth control and abort even in the late second or third trimester, that's when I have a problem. Also, I hate when people say that the thing is a human being from the time the egg is fertilized, therefore it's murder. That's such bullshit. It hasn't developed nerve cells, a heart, etc. You're not killing a human being when it's so early in the pregnancy.

Nah~Im just not gonna fuck till Im ready~

@Chlor Im not saying dont give the option. I DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA. AT ALL. But its your body. Whatever choices you make are none of my concern. Im just shedding light on the effects of the choices your making. I know my mom didnt want me. But no one told her to her face "Well then let her go". She contemplated, and made the decision to keep me. The decision was there. If A. they were just really young to point where its just wrong then I agree to get an abortion.
B. You know what your doing. After the age of 18 your not considered a kid anymore and whatever crap you get yourself into is your own damn fault and the only thing you can do that is the "right decision" is to "Man up" The idiots that agree are probably mostly guys because they dont want the responsibility to take care of the problem they created for themselves. Either tell her you love her and "MEAN IT" OR GO FUCK YOUR HAND.

OKAY! IM DONE! DX *sigh* =o=;;

Although Koko7, It feels like you're missing out on the fact that shit go wrong, if we take situation B as you described it, both parents are well above 18, perhaps even using contraceptives but something goes wrong and they wind up with a pregnant mother, this is not their fault, you can't tell people to not have sex at all until they're ready to have a child, that's just plain stupid.
In any case; They realize that becoming parents at this time is out of the question for some reason, perhaps they're both in some sort of higher education or have time-consuming jobs just in order to support themselves, maybe they just feel themselves that they aren't ready. In these cases I don't find taking having an abortion to be shameful or wrong in any way.

Same goes even if they didn't use contraceptives and were just plainly stupid, they made a mistake, and instead of perhaps ruining their lives brining a child into the world that they can't support, they have an abortion, learn their lesson and goes on with their lives. If there is a way to avoid the consequences without someone getting hurt, it's the best way to go.

And just as you said, it's her body and whatever choices she makes is none of our concern so we should have no problem with people getting abortions. Now as I said in my first post, I don't think abortion should be the first option to pop into someones head when they wind up with an unwanted pregnancy as there are better ways to go(Adoption for example), but there should be no need to feel ashamed of getting an abortion.

*sigh* I'll say the same thing I always say in a time like this.

I don't condone the act of aborting an unborn life (after a certain point of pregnancy, let's say after 4 months into it), but there are uses for this procedure. Think of Abortion as a gun you keep around for self-defense, using it for every little thing is going to bring more problems than it'll solve, but you don't want to be caught in a situation where you'll need it and it's not there.

And for those of you too lazy to read my thoughts in short-save it for when you need it, but don't abuse it when you don't.

Your post pretty much sums up my own opinion on pro-choice. This pro-responsibility is bullcrap.

Some points for the pro-choice side that I believe in:
- It's the woman carrying the fetus, and therefore it's her body; what she does with it is her choice.
- Being pregnant from rape or after having sex with preventative measures should be able to be aborted.
- If the mother's health is at risk due to health complications from carrying the baby, an abortion should be allowed.
- If there is some sort of congenital defect detected in the fetus where there is a high probability of stillborn, an abortion should be allowed.
- If the financial situation of the mother is not suitable for raising a child, (running debt), a abortion should be allowed.

I am pro-life, except in cases where the pregnancy is a danger to the mother.

I believe that abortions should be available from medical professionals and be done discretely regardless of age. This stance is not morally based but empirically from my own connections.
My grandmother at the age of 28 died of bleeding when my grandfather made her get a back-alley abortion. My niece died in a similar manner at the age of 15 because her state mandates at least one parent must be present when meeting with the doctor. One of my classmates was being raped by her father and he would take his daughter to get abortions fulfilling the requirement of having at least one parent present, she committed murder-suicide.
While I do not agree with abortion I see it as necessary to be available to those that need them.

wow... just wow. i don't remember why i made this tread but that was the best put idea anyone wrote and my thought perfectly

Dr. Tiller (may he rest in peace), gave the best reason for being pro-choice: trust women.

I trust each woman to know what her situation is. I trust that women know whether or not they can raise a child or not. I trust that women know their choices, and if the woman decides she cannot have a child and needs an abortion, I trust in her choice.

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This. Even if you don't necessarily agree with abortion, the fact remains that in countries without legal, safe, and accessible abortion, women DIE from unsafe abortions and/or unsafe pregnancies, and children DIE because of birth defects, lack of care, etc. Some pro-life stance that is.

this quote. amen. Pro choice.
This is a huge moral issue, but this pretty much sums it up. I agree with abortion as a necessity, what needs to be done is work on prevention so that people don't use abortion as a birth control method, cuz that's dumb. just, ridiculous.

Most insane story i heard in class was this:
A 9-10 year old girl (African, catholic) was raped and became pregnant. The parents proceeded to write to the Pope to ask if getting an abortion was legit in her case. To this he replied "no, this child must see the light of day and he will be cared for. all children are equal in the eye of god" and all that stuff. Yeah... 9 year old giving birth to a rape child, order of the pope? delicious stuff...

I was also appalled to learn that, in the same class, the pope announced that condoms weren't to be used, but also that they didn't even work at all. You heard the pope, condoms don't do shit, so don't use them. And some doctors proceeded to back up his words. Religion, sometimes, can be totally awesome, i know.

To me this is the only bad thing there can be about abortion. However, I don't think there are people that would actually do this. Abortions are still painful and can do damage to the female reproduction system.

Other than that, abortion is the way to prevent child birth when contraception fails, which is something that can happen. There is no 100% safe contraception method, so shit can happen. :\

You'd actually be surprised by the amount of girls that think "oh its fine ill just get aborted if". That also includes women that already had an abortion. Its crazy.

I'm Pro-Life...cause it brings more loli's into the world for me to rape (pedobear salute)....ok in all seriousness Pro-Choice , and I feel no need to elaborate as most of the reasons I would state have already been posted by other users

I trust that every woman and man is different. Not every woman or man knows what their situation is or what the right decision is. I mean, I see women popping out kids like crazy and not having a stable income to take care of them. So, I don't trust her decision.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pro-choice, but I just don't agree with those statements.

OT: I already stated my opinion on the page before this one.