Sexuality - Either/Or?
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
opanihuya wrote...
oh man, it's like kalistean on a whole new level.
Going by that logic a straight sexual act can't be 100% straight (you get off your own junk penetraiting a woman). And wtf is with these sexuality calculations anyway?
yourself fucking a woman is no even gay unless you rather bang Ryan Seacrest. Now watching straight porn.. well you are looking at his cock, right?
Also
Gay-Test.com - Draftstreet Free Game
Meh i less querrosexual then i thought.
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animefreak_usa wrote...
opanihuya wrote...
oh man, it's like kalistean on a whole new level.
Going by that logic a straight sexual act can't be 100% straight (you get off your own junk penetraiting a woman). And wtf is with these sexuality calculations anyway?
yourself fucking a woman is no even gay unless you rather bang Ryan Seacrest. Now watching straight porn.. well you are looking at his cock, right?
How about touching myself while watching a tape where I fucks me some Scarlett Johansson, is that gay?
Or flappin to another one where a dick (which resembles mine, like many others) sticks out of a wall and some beauty starts working it out - gay right?
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FinalBoss
#levelupyourgrind
When I say gay, I don't mean blatantly gay. I just mean you are a heterosexual with homosexual tendencies. Its no different than saying the average person has at least one or two psychotic symptoms, but they won't be diagnosed with a mental disorder because they don't affect their everyday lives.
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FinalBoss wrote...
When I say gay, I don't mean blatantly gay. I just mean you are a heterosexual with homosexual tendencies. Its no different than saying the average person has at least one or two psychotic symptoms, but they won't be diagnosed with a mental disorder because they don't affect their everyday lives.well... that's like taking a word 'normal' and changing it to 'without any major abnormalities', ie. useless on practice.
Unless you use it for a justification of some kind.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
opanihuya wrote...
animefreak_usa wrote...
opanihuya wrote...
oh man, it's like kalistean on a whole new level.
Going by that logic a straight sexual act can't be 100% straight (you get off your own junk penetraiting a woman). And wtf is with these sexuality calculations anyway?
yourself fucking a woman is no even gay unless you rather bang Ryan Seacrest. Now watching straight porn.. well you are looking at his cock, right?
How about touching myself while watching a tape where I fucks me some Scarlett Johansson, is that gay?
Or flappin to another one where a dick (which resembles mine, like many others) sticks out of a wall and some beauty starts working it out - gay right?
How about touching myself while watching a tape where I fucks me some Scarlett Johansson, is that gay?
It still you so nope.
flappin to another one where a dick (which resembles mine, like many others) sticks out of a wall and some beauty starts working it out - gay right?
Less gay but still it's a cock of not your own.
I should video tape my friend andrew who mind fucked me with this theory.. me personally as long as the cock isn't in your ass, mouth or eye socket.. it just normal shit.
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Why do people feel such a need to label and classify everything?
Just be yourself and be happy with who you are. fuck(pun!) everyone else.
Just be yourself and be happy with who you are. fuck(pun!) everyone else.
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Sexuality tends to be a slider scale with Heterosexuality on one end and Homosexuality on the other end.
Does the act of watching guy on girl porn present a homosexuality tendency? Not necessarily. Primarily because of something called projection. As long as the thought process is based on wanting to experience that scenario with that woman or another woman, you are in fact not displaying a homosexual tendency.
Masturbation as an act is not homosexual either. It isn't heterosexual either.
No physical act is actually one way or the other. Sexuality is a psychological aspect and that alone is what determines how far your slider is on the scale.
Under normal conditions certain physical actions are a result from one intent or another. You mostly have sex with the other sex when you have heterosexual intentions, and the same sex with homosexual one.
But that doesn't mean it is always the case. Say you have anal, or even regular sex with a woman as a man. But if your thoughts and feelings are of wanting to have sex with men, and you have to project the woman being a man to have sex with her, then it is actually a homosexual act. Same in other respects. Often this is a result of social expectations and such.
Involve gender and transexual possibilities into the equations, and you make the issue even more of a clusterfuck.
Does the act of watching guy on girl porn present a homosexuality tendency? Not necessarily. Primarily because of something called projection. As long as the thought process is based on wanting to experience that scenario with that woman or another woman, you are in fact not displaying a homosexual tendency.
Masturbation as an act is not homosexual either. It isn't heterosexual either.
No physical act is actually one way or the other. Sexuality is a psychological aspect and that alone is what determines how far your slider is on the scale.
Under normal conditions certain physical actions are a result from one intent or another. You mostly have sex with the other sex when you have heterosexual intentions, and the same sex with homosexual one.
But that doesn't mean it is always the case. Say you have anal, or even regular sex with a woman as a man. But if your thoughts and feelings are of wanting to have sex with men, and you have to project the woman being a man to have sex with her, then it is actually a homosexual act. Same in other respects. Often this is a result of social expectations and such.
Involve gender and transexual possibilities into the equations, and you make the issue even more of a clusterfuck.
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@OP: The following is only what I personally think and feel.
I think sexuality is very complicated and cant be split into hetero, homo, and bi. I like the ideas of comparing it to the grayscale but I think that is still a little too simple. I think it could be represented as a plane with hetero, homo, bi, pan, (anything)-sexual being at the extremes. A persons sexuality would then be defined as some point on the plane and the distance between that point and an extreme would be a measure of their inclination towards that extreme.
Example: Mark's (a generic male on Fakku) sexuality is at a point the following distances from these extremes:
Hetero: 15
Homo: 40
Bi: 35
Objectum: 60
Futa: 20
"Trap": 20
This data would mean that Mark has a preference for women, futanari, and "trap" characters, which are effeminate men. However he would not check "bi" in a survey that listed "hetero/homo/bi" as options. The Bi number here is an interesting one. Lets say that Mark would not participate in a three-some with a man and woman but he would be in one with a woman and a "trap" character. He personally refers to the "trap" character as a woman and as far as he is concerned "trap" characters are women and a variation on futanari.
Personally I don't define myself as homo, hetero, bi, pan, etc. When someone asks me or a survey asks or when I don't want to have a long conversation I just say I am "bi". I don't say that just to get it over with or whatever, it's just the most common orientation that is closest to how I feel. (Note: I have thought about saying pansexual but I have yet to meet a 3rd gender and I'm not so great at explaining "its more about the person than the body").
I don't think fapping to yaoi makes you homo or bi. I think its more about whether you would react the same way if something similar happened to you. Like having sex with a "trap" character. For ass-play, I don't think wanting to take it from yourself or a woman makes you homo or bi in the same way that a woman who likes to 69 a man isnt homo or bi. (69 is a bit of a crude comparison but humor me)
Question: I've fapped to every tag on fakku. Which sexual-orientation does that make me?
I think sexuality is very complicated and cant be split into hetero, homo, and bi. I like the ideas of comparing it to the grayscale but I think that is still a little too simple. I think it could be represented as a plane with hetero, homo, bi, pan, (anything)-sexual being at the extremes. A persons sexuality would then be defined as some point on the plane and the distance between that point and an extreme would be a measure of their inclination towards that extreme.
Example: Mark's (a generic male on Fakku) sexuality is at a point the following distances from these extremes:
Hetero: 15
Homo: 40
Bi: 35
Objectum: 60
Futa: 20
"Trap": 20
This data would mean that Mark has a preference for women, futanari, and "trap" characters, which are effeminate men. However he would not check "bi" in a survey that listed "hetero/homo/bi" as options. The Bi number here is an interesting one. Lets say that Mark would not participate in a three-some with a man and woman but he would be in one with a woman and a "trap" character. He personally refers to the "trap" character as a woman and as far as he is concerned "trap" characters are women and a variation on futanari.
Personally I don't define myself as homo, hetero, bi, pan, etc. When someone asks me or a survey asks or when I don't want to have a long conversation I just say I am "bi". I don't say that just to get it over with or whatever, it's just the most common orientation that is closest to how I feel. (Note: I have thought about saying pansexual but I have yet to meet a 3rd gender and I'm not so great at explaining "its more about the person than the body").
I don't think fapping to yaoi makes you homo or bi. I think its more about whether you would react the same way if something similar happened to you. Like having sex with a "trap" character. For ass-play, I don't think wanting to take it from yourself or a woman makes you homo or bi in the same way that a woman who likes to 69 a man isnt homo or bi. (69 is a bit of a crude comparison but humor me)
Question: I've fapped to every tag on fakku. Which sexual-orientation does that make me?
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I honestly have no idea how someone would even bother thinking up the concept of "If you masturbate, you're kind of gay for touching the same sex's genitals."
That makes no sense whatsoever and is completely ludicrous. Even moreso ludicrous is the notion that watching straight porn also makes you kind of gay because you're looking at a male's junk. I figure as long as you don't look at it and think "Gosh I wish he was ramming me like that", then you're in no way gay. If simply looking at any penis made you more or less gay, then as a female, would looking at another girl's cleavage make you somewhat a lesbian? I can't even fathom the types of insecurities a person must have been going through to try to put together such a nonsensical claim.
I also agree with Takerial and Mr.Shaggnificent. For the former, I feel that when you masturbate, you're generally thinking about 1.) Whatever you're watching/reading, generally trying to simulate whatever sexual feelings the people are having in whatever the viewed content is(i.e. "God, that must be tight!) or 2.) What they'd do in the case of real intercourse, and who with (i.e. If (Insertnamehere) was here right now I'd do this and that and other things too!". Not necessarily "Fuck what's on the screen right now, I'm jacking off right now and am totally in love with my penis! I wonder how other penis' feel!" Or something to that effect.
For the latter, I feel that people need to stop trying to label everything as straight/gay/bi, and stop trying to convince other people that that person is straight/gay/bi due to their own insecurities. i.e. Saying that people are all gay for admiring any other member of the same sex simply because that person is being made fun of. I mean, if that's what you need to tell yourself in order to keep from going on a homicidal/suicidal rampage, then go for it. But trying to convince other people of these things is a quick way to get shot down by those around you. I mean, I'm still completely flabbergasted that anyone would say that someone else is also gay for looking at straight porn in an effort to feel more comfortable with their sexuality with the notion in their mind that everyone is gay for various remedial reasons, so as to eliminate the feeling of isolation.
We shouldn't have to slap sexuality labels on ourselves or others simply because of what we look at online, as many people are nearly 100% different online than offline. Especially when viewing hentai, where the parameters are nearly impossible to meet in the real world (i.e. Guys that look better than the majority of girls when pretending to be girls). Someone already said the whole deal about sexual likes/dislikes in 2D and sexual likes/dislikes in 3D, so I won't go into that.
"Masturbation makes you kind of gay." Complete hogwash.
That makes no sense whatsoever and is completely ludicrous. Even moreso ludicrous is the notion that watching straight porn also makes you kind of gay because you're looking at a male's junk. I figure as long as you don't look at it and think "Gosh I wish he was ramming me like that", then you're in no way gay. If simply looking at any penis made you more or less gay, then as a female, would looking at another girl's cleavage make you somewhat a lesbian? I can't even fathom the types of insecurities a person must have been going through to try to put together such a nonsensical claim.
I also agree with Takerial and Mr.Shaggnificent. For the former, I feel that when you masturbate, you're generally thinking about 1.) Whatever you're watching/reading, generally trying to simulate whatever sexual feelings the people are having in whatever the viewed content is(i.e. "God, that must be tight!) or 2.) What they'd do in the case of real intercourse, and who with (i.e. If (Insertnamehere) was here right now I'd do this and that and other things too!". Not necessarily "Fuck what's on the screen right now, I'm jacking off right now and am totally in love with my penis! I wonder how other penis' feel!" Or something to that effect.
For the latter, I feel that people need to stop trying to label everything as straight/gay/bi, and stop trying to convince other people that that person is straight/gay/bi due to their own insecurities. i.e. Saying that people are all gay for admiring any other member of the same sex simply because that person is being made fun of. I mean, if that's what you need to tell yourself in order to keep from going on a homicidal/suicidal rampage, then go for it. But trying to convince other people of these things is a quick way to get shot down by those around you. I mean, I'm still completely flabbergasted that anyone would say that someone else is also gay for looking at straight porn in an effort to feel more comfortable with their sexuality with the notion in their mind that everyone is gay for various remedial reasons, so as to eliminate the feeling of isolation.
We shouldn't have to slap sexuality labels on ourselves or others simply because of what we look at online, as many people are nearly 100% different online than offline. Especially when viewing hentai, where the parameters are nearly impossible to meet in the real world (i.e. Guys that look better than the majority of girls when pretending to be girls). Someone already said the whole deal about sexual likes/dislikes in 2D and sexual likes/dislikes in 3D, so I won't go into that.
"Masturbation makes you kind of gay." Complete hogwash.
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FinalBoss
#levelupyourgrind
I'm not saying masturbation or watching straight porn makes you gay. I'm just saying those things prevent you from being completely 100% straight. Maybe 99.9%, but certainly not 100%.
If you believe pleasuring yourself doesn't have some homosexual tendencies, then you also have to believe that letting the same sex jerk you off while you watch straight porn doesn't have homosexual tendencies either. But despite logic, you would still say that action is gay.
I'm not insecure about jack shit, otherwise I wouldn't have told that story about my preference to voyeurism. I can just as easily say that people who claim they are 100% straight are just homophobes who are in denial that they have some homosexual tendencies. However, I won't go that far because in the end, its just a matter of opinion.
If you believe pleasuring yourself doesn't have some homosexual tendencies, then you also have to believe that letting the same sex jerk you off while you watch straight porn doesn't have homosexual tendencies either. But despite logic, you would still say that action is gay.
I'm not insecure about jack shit, otherwise I wouldn't have told that story about my preference to voyeurism. I can just as easily say that people who claim they are 100% straight are just homophobes who are in denial that they have some homosexual tendencies. However, I won't go that far because in the end, its just a matter of opinion.
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I believe pleasuring yourself doesn't have homosexual tendencies because more likely than not, you're not going to lean any closer to males nor any closer to females simply from masturbating. If someone were to jack you off while you watched straight porn, the difference between that and the other is that there are two members being sexual rather than one, the one being yourself. I don't believe in percentiles seeing as though you really shouldn't have to go much further than "I'm gay/straight/bi" once you label yourself. Just leave it at that. Not "Oh I'm 24.6% gay, 46.4% straight, and 29% bi". I just don't really feel the need to get anymore specific than the basics because all in all, it's just a label. Why give a simple label even more power?
Also, I didn't mean you're insecure, I was assuming you got that notion from some other source, and I'd say that person is insecure just like I'd say someone who plays the "If you're adamant about being straight then you're just homophobic and don't want to admit you have gay thoughts" is insecure. Do we ~all~ have to be more or less gay? Is there absolutely no way for someone to be fully straight, but not homophobic and not in denial?
I'm not going to bash you or anything, because this forum is for people who'd rather talk it out than swear and l33tspeak at everyone, but I'd like to know who/what you originally got these, in my opinion, completely absurd statements from. And if you came to these conclusions yourself, then I can't help but ask what were the circumstances for such a topic to have to be thought about on such a grand scale? I mean, I've already heard the "If you keep saying you're straight then you're just in denial" line many times already, and I still don't quite understand why ~EVERYONE~ absolutely ~HAS~ to be ~SOME~ form of gay.
Alas, as you said, they're all opinions and we're all entitled to having them. I'm just genuinely stupefied at the moment.
Also, I didn't mean you're insecure, I was assuming you got that notion from some other source, and I'd say that person is insecure just like I'd say someone who plays the "If you're adamant about being straight then you're just homophobic and don't want to admit you have gay thoughts" is insecure. Do we ~all~ have to be more or less gay? Is there absolutely no way for someone to be fully straight, but not homophobic and not in denial?
I'm not going to bash you or anything, because this forum is for people who'd rather talk it out than swear and l33tspeak at everyone, but I'd like to know who/what you originally got these, in my opinion, completely absurd statements from. And if you came to these conclusions yourself, then I can't help but ask what were the circumstances for such a topic to have to be thought about on such a grand scale? I mean, I've already heard the "If you keep saying you're straight then you're just in denial" line many times already, and I still don't quite understand why ~EVERYONE~ absolutely ~HAS~ to be ~SOME~ form of gay.
Alas, as you said, they're all opinions and we're all entitled to having them. I'm just genuinely stupefied at the moment.
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
FinalBoss wrote...
I'm not saying masturbation or watching straight porn makes you gay. I'm just saying those things prevent you from being completely 100% straight. Maybe 99.9%, but certainly not 100%.If you believe pleasuring yourself doesn't have some homosexual tendencies, then you also have to believe that letting the same sex jerk you off while you watch straight porn doesn't have homosexual tendencies either. But despite logic, you would still say that action is gay.
I'm not insecure about jack shit, otherwise I wouldn't have told that story about my preference to voyeurism. I can just as easily say that people who claim they are 100% straight are just homophobes who are in denial that they have some homosexual tendencies. However, I won't go that far because in the end, its just a matter of opinion.
The fuck?
"I'm not saying it makes you gay, just not straight."
Do you honestly not realize how ridiculous that statement sounds? Anyways, moving on.
Masturbation and a Handjob are entirely different sexual actions. Saying that they are the same is beyond nonsense. All because one actually involves a partner.
If we used your logic that would mean that just cleaning myself would make myself gay because I'm doing the action of going out of my way to see a guy's naked body in the shower.
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FinalBoss
#levelupyourgrind
Kensouke wrote...
Spoiler:
Using percentages to analyze things became a habit of mine after taking a couple statistics courses in college. I started adopting the mindset that very rarely are things 100% in this world, especially things viewed from a subjective perspective. No one is completely democratic/republican, no one is completely moral/immoral, bacteria can't be eliminated 100%, water can't be 100% purified, no one is completely heterosexual/homosexual, etc.
I respect your right to only want to call yourself straight, but you should also respect my opinion that you are not 100% straight, no one alive is. I'm not saying you should call yourself straight with homosexual tendencies from now on. I just wanted to point out that everyone in this world has some traces of both homosexual and heterosexual tendencies (Just not enough to call that person blatantly bi-sexual).
With that said, I fail to see your reasoning. I'm basically making this generalization:
a) Performing a sexual act with same sex genitalia has homosexual tendencies.
b) An individual jerks off
c) One individual jerks off another of the same gender's junk.
In my analysis: a = b&c
In your analysis: a =/= b, a = c
While masturbation doesn't get you closer to a male or female in general, it does make you more reliant on the act itself to get erect. More often than not, you're desensitized by all the fap material you're exposed to. You can't just look at a naked picture of a girl and get hard anymore, so you need a little help from beating your meat to get you to that point. In many cases still, you can't fap at all to just a solo naked picture. You need sausages plowing the woman to get you erect. Without a sausage in the picture, you'd be limper than soggy ramen noodles. In that regard I also don't recognize the real difference between fapping to futa/trap and fapping to straight porn. In both cases, you're attracted to the feminine aspect of the character, and a male's junk is still involved in the material.
Anyways, I set the standards for what it means to be 100% straight/gay myself. I didn't get it from any other source. This type of reasoning makes sense to me, so I stick by it. I just don't like the thought of being just gay/straight/bi, so I took a more specific approach. If you prefer the more simplistic answer to one's sexual orientation, then keep thinking in those terms. No one is stopping you or telling you that you're wrong for thinking that way. However, if someone tells me that my way of thinking about it is wrong or absurd, then I'm gonna defend my perspective to the death. You can count on that.
"I'm not saying it makes you gay, just not straight."
You're twisting my statements to your own convenience. Thats not what I meant at all.
If we used your logic that would mean that just cleaning myself would make myself gay because I'm doing the action of going out of my way to see a guy's naked body in the shower.
Doesn't count, cleaning yourself is not a sexual act.
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
I didn't twist your words. That is exactly what you said simplified down.
Physical acts alone cannot determine sexuality. Sexuality is a psychological concept and thus cannot be determined by a physical act by itself.
Masturbation isn't a homosexual act because you are not touching the same sex genitals, you are touching YOUR genitals. If you want to go by the purely physical aspects of it, it would be a narcissistic action. You are touching yourself to pleasure yourself, not because you are wanting to pleasure the same sex or have the same sex pleasure you, no it is to purely pleasure yourself.
But again, you cannot view things from a purely physical concept like you are doing. Like I said before, sexuality is largely based on intention and desire. That's why you can be a virgin without any sexual experience but still be heterosexual or homosexual.
And again, when you throw in concepts of gender and transexuality into the picture, it gets even more complex.
If someone is male sex, but gender female, then what would they be sexually if they have sex with a male, have sex with a female?
Physical acts alone cannot determine sexuality. Sexuality is a psychological concept and thus cannot be determined by a physical act by itself.
Masturbation isn't a homosexual act because you are not touching the same sex genitals, you are touching YOUR genitals. If you want to go by the purely physical aspects of it, it would be a narcissistic action. You are touching yourself to pleasure yourself, not because you are wanting to pleasure the same sex or have the same sex pleasure you, no it is to purely pleasure yourself.
But again, you cannot view things from a purely physical concept like you are doing. Like I said before, sexuality is largely based on intention and desire. That's why you can be a virgin without any sexual experience but still be heterosexual or homosexual.
And again, when you throw in concepts of gender and transexuality into the picture, it gets even more complex.
If someone is male sex, but gender female, then what would they be sexually if they have sex with a male, have sex with a female?
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I still don't understand the necessity of percentages. Such as, what's the real point of having percentages and going so in depth about something that people find it much easier to just say:
"Oh hey, I'm gay."
"Oh. Okay."
In a way, I'm actually greatly relieved that you created this concept yourself instead of this being some sort of widely talked about and generally accepted notion. Unfortunately, when things don't make sense to me, I have to question whatever it is until I get an answer that satisfies me. I'd recommend doing more studies, so to speak. Because at this stage, it seems like this is just something that you're using to cope with your own sexuality, and not really a thesis with any backbone. For the people that strongly disagree with you, what sounds the most ludicrous is the idea that you cannot be 100% straight due to masturbation or watching straight porn.
I can tell you this though, I can get erect simply on the desire to get erect. I could look at something that didn't provoke any reaction the last three times, but make it work out whenever I decide too. That is, I don't require any "meat sausages" or hand stimulation to stay erect nor get erect, hence why I didn't understand that part of your explanation either. And the "no one alive is 100% straight" most definitely needs more backbone before you can reasonably come to that conclusion and stand by it to the grave, Logically, anyway. We have to realize that there are ~MANY~ different cultures and groups of people out there who have different values and beliefs than us, so their society doesn't really work in the same way ours does.
Saying something like "If you have straight sex you're still not 100% straight" just puts the icing on the ridiculous cake. I tried my best to explain the results of your "research" to a few of my companions, and most of them laughed so long that I hung up, while another said "Wow. That is. Fucking retarded. With absolutely no facts involved". I'd blame myself, as you're probably the only one who can explain it clearly, but my sincere recommendation is to do more studying and improve upon it, if you're the type of person who'd say this to anyone who brings the topic of sexuality up.
Water cannot be completely purified because we lack the technology. Bacteria cannot be 100% eliminated, because they're always evolving so new chemicals have to be created to remove the newer versions, while more evolve. And some types of bacteria are even good for you. Democrats/Republicans are just two different groups with different idea. I wouldn't say anything is specifically Democrat or anything is specifically Republican. There are people who are ruthless and completely immoral,considering it's actually a mental condition. Those people are generally killed or put in insane asylums. In fact, moral/immoral are just ideas as well, considering everyone has their own social norms, depending on their social circle. Throwing all those to compare to something as controversial as sexuality just seems rather foolish, if you don't mind me being honest.
In my reasoning, as you'll find in many people's reasoning, (a) doesn't exist, while (c) would be considered homosexual. It's not self pleasure if someone else is doing it. Also, there's a reason I never said I was 100% Straight, because I don't really care for having sex, as I can't stand the women of today, and I'd never have sex with a male simply because it doesn't appeal to me. With that said, I didn't label myself because labels in general are just nonsensical, especially if it's something people make a big deal out of. I don't look specifically for straight hentai or any other type of specific hentai. If I'm bored enough and the art style is passable, then I'll read it. 90% of the time, I don't get an erection nor remotely aroused, which is part of the reason people call me a generally monotone and boring person. It's not that I'm specifically telling my body "Hey, don't be aroused by this", I just generally don't find many things eventful, though I will admit I'm more or less enjoying this discussion.
You'll have to excuse me for being annoying, but I still only see this as a way of saying "If I'm not straight then nobody can be!" I do respect that you created some theory in order to cope (in my opinion), but with the evidence given, I'm really not convinced. I don't mind at all if you choose not to care about my doubts or concerns, but I assure you I'm not trying to be rude or shoot you down. In fact you've actually got me quite intrigued.
"Oh hey, I'm gay."
"Oh. Okay."
In a way, I'm actually greatly relieved that you created this concept yourself instead of this being some sort of widely talked about and generally accepted notion. Unfortunately, when things don't make sense to me, I have to question whatever it is until I get an answer that satisfies me. I'd recommend doing more studies, so to speak. Because at this stage, it seems like this is just something that you're using to cope with your own sexuality, and not really a thesis with any backbone. For the people that strongly disagree with you, what sounds the most ludicrous is the idea that you cannot be 100% straight due to masturbation or watching straight porn.
I can tell you this though, I can get erect simply on the desire to get erect. I could look at something that didn't provoke any reaction the last three times, but make it work out whenever I decide too. That is, I don't require any "meat sausages" or hand stimulation to stay erect nor get erect, hence why I didn't understand that part of your explanation either. And the "no one alive is 100% straight" most definitely needs more backbone before you can reasonably come to that conclusion and stand by it to the grave, Logically, anyway. We have to realize that there are ~MANY~ different cultures and groups of people out there who have different values and beliefs than us, so their society doesn't really work in the same way ours does.
Saying something like "If you have straight sex you're still not 100% straight" just puts the icing on the ridiculous cake. I tried my best to explain the results of your "research" to a few of my companions, and most of them laughed so long that I hung up, while another said "Wow. That is. Fucking retarded. With absolutely no facts involved". I'd blame myself, as you're probably the only one who can explain it clearly, but my sincere recommendation is to do more studying and improve upon it, if you're the type of person who'd say this to anyone who brings the topic of sexuality up.
Water cannot be completely purified because we lack the technology. Bacteria cannot be 100% eliminated, because they're always evolving so new chemicals have to be created to remove the newer versions, while more evolve. And some types of bacteria are even good for you. Democrats/Republicans are just two different groups with different idea. I wouldn't say anything is specifically Democrat or anything is specifically Republican. There are people who are ruthless and completely immoral,considering it's actually a mental condition. Those people are generally killed or put in insane asylums. In fact, moral/immoral are just ideas as well, considering everyone has their own social norms, depending on their social circle. Throwing all those to compare to something as controversial as sexuality just seems rather foolish, if you don't mind me being honest.
In my reasoning, as you'll find in many people's reasoning, (a) doesn't exist, while (c) would be considered homosexual. It's not self pleasure if someone else is doing it. Also, there's a reason I never said I was 100% Straight, because I don't really care for having sex, as I can't stand the women of today, and I'd never have sex with a male simply because it doesn't appeal to me. With that said, I didn't label myself because labels in general are just nonsensical, especially if it's something people make a big deal out of. I don't look specifically for straight hentai or any other type of specific hentai. If I'm bored enough and the art style is passable, then I'll read it. 90% of the time, I don't get an erection nor remotely aroused, which is part of the reason people call me a generally monotone and boring person. It's not that I'm specifically telling my body "Hey, don't be aroused by this", I just generally don't find many things eventful, though I will admit I'm more or less enjoying this discussion.
You'll have to excuse me for being annoying, but I still only see this as a way of saying "If I'm not straight then nobody can be!" I do respect that you created some theory in order to cope (in my opinion), but with the evidence given, I'm really not convinced. I don't mind at all if you choose not to care about my doubts or concerns, but I assure you I'm not trying to be rude or shoot you down. In fact you've actually got me quite intrigued.
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I think FinalBoss's theory has merit. If you say that there is absolutely nothing homosexual about jerking off, then how far can you take that? If you could suck your dick, would that not be gay in the least either? What if you could somehow have butt sex with yourself? Wouldn't that be a little gay?
What if you had a clone of yourself that was you in every way - it looked exactly like you, was the same age as you, and even had the same thoughts. If you had sex with your clone, would that make you gay, or would you still be straight?
Granted, that's a very slippery slope, but it's still fun to think about.
What if you had a clone of yourself that was you in every way - it looked exactly like you, was the same age as you, and even had the same thoughts. If you had sex with your clone, would that make you gay, or would you still be straight?
Granted, that's a very slippery slope, but it's still fun to think about.
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K-1 wrote...
I think FinalBoss's theory has merit. If you say that there is absolutely nothing homosexual about jerking off, then how far can you take that? If you could suck your dick, would that not be gay in the least either? What if you could somehow have butt sex with yourself? Wouldn't that be a little gay?What if you had a clone of yourself that was you in every way - it looked exactly like you, was the same age as you, and even had the same thoughts. If you had sex with your clone, would that make you gay, or would you still be straight?
Granted, that's a very slippery slope, but it's still fun to think about.
Jerking off =/= Sucking yourself off =/= Having sex with yourself.
If you could roll into a tightly compacted ball and have sex with yourself, or suck yourself off, then kudos to you. It's just one of those things that are so uncommonly done that it almost can't be used as a valid example. I'm not going to get into clones, as that defies reason entirely, but I would say that the overall message of self stimulation, is well, ~self~. Mind you, this would be the kind of debate you'd bring to someone who says their 100% clean, crisp, clear Straight. I more than highly doubt they've even tried either of those methods, or would try them.
About the clones, I'll try to find that link of that "Clone: Fight or Fuck" debate that makes a lot of sense in both areas.
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Takerial
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K-1 wrote...
I think FinalBoss's theory has merit. If you say that there is absolutely nothing homosexual about jerking off, then how far can you take that? If you could suck your dick, would that not be gay in the least either? What if you could somehow have butt sex with yourself? Wouldn't that be a little gay?What if you had a clone of yourself that was you in every way - it looked exactly like you, was the same age as you, and even had the same thoughts. If you had sex with your clone, would that make you gay, or would you still be straight?
Granted, that's a very slippery slope, but it's still fun to think about.
Again sir, getting sexually aroused and seeking sexually pleasure about yourself is Narcissistic. So it wouldn't be inherently gay because the purpose of doing it is to seek pleasure for yourself solely from yourself.
Just like if you are blindfolded and someone is sucking your cock, it doesn't automatically make you gay or straight. It doesn't matter WHO is sucking your cock, it matters who you imagine it to be.
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FinalBoss
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Let me add a little statement from your precious wikipedia (I personally try not to get sauce from here, but since this is an informal discussion its okay) since we all seem to have our own definitions of what human sexuality means:
Pay close attention to what was underlined. Human sexuality covers more than just "I'm attracted to males/females". Human sexuality is related to an individual's behavior, lifestyle and culture. This leaves room to many possibilities in regard to whether you are straight or gay. Its never a simple black and white response when you look at it from an objective perspective.
My response to indivual members:
Human sexuality is how people experience the erotic and express themselves as sexual beings; the awareness of themselves as males or females; the capacity they have for erotic experiences and responses.[1] Human sexuality can be described as the way someone is sexually attracted to another person of the opposite sex (heterosexuality), to the same sex (homosexuality), to both sexes (bisexuality), or attracted to no sexes in a sexual way (asexuality).[2]
It used to be believed that human sexual behavior was different from the sexual behavior of most other animals, in that it was practiced for reasons besides copulation. Current understanding is that many species that were formerly believed monogamous have now been proven to be promiscuous or opportunistic in nature; a wide range of species appear both to masturbate and to use objects as tools to help them do so, where procreation is not the aim. See animal sexual behaviour.
The term human sexuality can also cover cultural, political, legal and philosophical aspects. It may also refer to issues of morality, ethics, theology, spirituality or religion and how they relate to all things sexual.
It used to be believed that human sexual behavior was different from the sexual behavior of most other animals, in that it was practiced for reasons besides copulation. Current understanding is that many species that were formerly believed monogamous have now been proven to be promiscuous or opportunistic in nature; a wide range of species appear both to masturbate and to use objects as tools to help them do so, where procreation is not the aim. See animal sexual behaviour.
The term human sexuality can also cover cultural, political, legal and philosophical aspects. It may also refer to issues of morality, ethics, theology, spirituality or religion and how they relate to all things sexual.
Pay close attention to what was underlined. Human sexuality covers more than just "I'm attracted to males/females". Human sexuality is related to an individual's behavior, lifestyle and culture. This leaves room to many possibilities in regard to whether you are straight or gay. Its never a simple black and white response when you look at it from an objective perspective.
My response to indivual members:
Spoiler: