the seven deadly sins

now when you read the title im sure your wondering what im getting at here. but lets look at the deadly sins:
envy
gluttony
lust
wrath
pride
sloth
and greed

what is so bad about lust? its something we all feel naturally as humans. its only bad because we try to conceal it with society and politics. we try to claim it as improper, and it leads to sex. but sex is healthy for you, so why would we say its unnatural? envy in some cases is a good thing. in judaism the belief on envy is that if you are a scholar, or a philosopher, and envious of another philosopher, then it shows you desire to learn. wrath can save people in some cases, it gives some people a desire to live, and isnt that what "god" wants for all of us? sloth is something your gonna do when you get to heaven, i mean havent we all built up this idea that in heaven you will "rest"? so sloth is resting, but of course sloth is also over-resting to the point of laziness.

basically i want your guys' intake on the seven deadly sins. the only one i think that is "sin-like" is pride. pride is the only one that can cloud judgment, and is probably (more so than likely) the reason why hitler did what he did with the whole holocaust thing.

It's obviously just a load of shit. Lust, greed, envy, and wrath are all natural. I do at least one of them every day

You put a very good perspective on things. Pride though can be a good thing, I gives you satisfaction in doing something. Anything past it is in the wrong though and will probably cloud your judgment.

Weighing your current rep status and this post you deserve an up rep.

You got this idea from the History Channel's series didn't you?

Sloth was originally apathy or laziness, putting off what God asks you to do, or not doing it or anything at all. Nowadays, we think of sloth as just laziness. I can't really see what is positive about being lazy but, I'll keep an open mind.

Wrath or Avarice I can't find a positive to. Sure, passion is a good thing to have but, I don't believe it goes along with Wrath. I see Wrath as the ultimate form of anger. The desire for revenge, murder or assault are things I link with Wrath but, not passion.

Greed is good (in moderation). Greed means wanting something. It'll drive you to do things. Greed for money will lead people to start companies,etc.

Envy is the same as greed but, with non-material things. Though envy can lead to greed.

Lust, is also good (also in moderation) it promotes the growth of a species. While the puritans and other Christian groups try to stamp Adultery out. Our brains are just hardwired for lust.

Pride (the original sin) is also good. To be happy about your accomplishments. Though in extremes it leads to arrogance, vanity or even narcissism.

Gluttony. I can't think of anything good about gluttony. Sure, having a lot of food in areas that food is scarce may have people perceive you as being powerful, rich,etc. Gluttony still is a disgusting sin in my opinion since it shows a lack of self respect or self restraint.

If I had to admit my sins I would admit Wrath and Pride.

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Gold and lumber don't got shit on my pylons.

well according 2 the bible (im paraphraising here) that all these are desires of the flesh which means yes all these are natural desires that are wired n2 our brains @ birth, which we will all experience @ 1 time or another. but as christians. (this only applies 2 myself & and all others here who are christians) that we should find power n are spirits 2 resists these desires of the flesh or some such shit.

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I always thought that it was weird that murder wasn't one of the seven deadly sins. I understand the seven deadly sins have kind of a motif, they're all internal things, but isn't the desire to kill another person really fucking bad? And murder is a sin, just not one of the big "deadly" sins. What's the deal?

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You can't construct additional pylons then, I'll continue to do that by myself then, buddy.

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actually all of this 7 sins lead to other greater sins.... such as murder, robbery, war and etc.

ps : it's just my opinion though....

All the other deadly sins is a way of thinking or a state of being. One can be a sloth, and one can be a murderer, but being a murderer (if you want to twist words) is not whats wrong, unless you are one who actively murders. If it is, and you are capable of rational thought, you most likely fall into one of the previous categories (and if you argue to do it for merely it in itself, then I say you are a glutton).

I'm Buddhist.

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gluttony often lead to sloth coz' for example
gluttony is the form of greed when you don't want to lose or share something yours so when someone need your thing you won't help him that lead to sloth which is apathy or jst saving your ass and not care for other (it can be interpreted as not doing anything for the sake of other)

and serious discussion on hentai site?
that's just how we are ^^

Before I venture into discussion, I want to establish one thing. Sin, in the Christian sense, basically damns one to hell. To commit sin is to get oneself to hell, and forgo divine salvation in favor of the influences of the flesh and death.

Has anyone read Dante's Divine Comedy? It provides a lot of insight into the nature of Christian sin. In part one, Inferno, he splits Hell into nine concentric circles, each catering for a different type of sin under three broad groups: Incontinence, Violence, and Fraud. All those who are punished outside the City of Dis have sinned on Incontinence. Out of the seven deadly sins, this would clearly include three of them (Lust, Gluttony, and Greed), but Dante also punishes the slovenly and the wrathful outside Dis.

According to Dante, Incontinence, while still a sin, results from our inability to control the desires of the flesh (which, if you know anything about Christianity, is where sin acts on all through death). Thus, the incontinent turn away from God and succumb to Satan, and are punished in hell for this. A non-religious explanation as to why incontinence is bad is the lack of self-restraint, allowing our base desires to dominate our reason. This is bad for two reasons. One, it is evidence of a flawed personality. Two, it breaks down social order and stability if uncontrolled. For example, lust can cause adultery and rape, and greed causes disputes and can lead to worse things, such as envy from another person. Gluttony I'm not too sure, because you can't really say it harms anyone else (let's assume the glutton has more than enough food, and this food doesn't need to be fed to anyone else; is gluttony really that bad now?). I'll settle for the fact that gluttony is a sign of a flawed personality, an inability to control one's appetite.

The sin of Sloth is more than just laziness. It is a serious form of apathy, one that turns you away from God. The slovenly basically lose hope for everything and don't care about what is happening in their own world or in heaven. You don't have to be lazy to be a sloth; you qualify as one if you just don't give a shit about anything, including getting to heaven, which qualifies it as a sin. On a non-religious standpoint, the slothful are bad because they don't contribute to society. However, again, it is not clear whether a sloth would really affect anyone else, as with gluttony.

Wrath is more serious. It refers to uncontrolled anger and/or hate, and can lead to violence. Dante punishes the simply wrathful outside the City of Dis, but within Dis, in the seventh bolga, God punishes the violent. In other words, anger by itself is not that serious (probably because anger by itself can have nothing to do with self-interest), but the violence that results from anger is very serious indeed. It is interesting that Dante punishes the suicidal very, very severely, because he sees suicide as violence towards oneself.

And we have the last two deadly sins, envy and pride. These two have been regarded as the most serious of the seven because, unlike incontinence, it does not involve the succumbing of the spirit (reason) to the flesh (desires, apathy, anger): it also involves corruption of the spirit. In other words, envy and pride is voluntary: the envious and the proud were not simply overpowered by something, but chose to sin.

Envy is an enhanced form of jealousy. It does not overlap with greed because greed is concerned with what you already have and is thus incontinence, while envy is concerned with what someone else has and you do not. Thus, envy can be interpreted as hatred against God for being unfair. Envy results in violence and fraud: for example, a jealous husband may murder his wife and her lover. People may swindle money and property away from the rich. Robbery can result. The detrimental quality of envy can be seen from the fact that the earliest civilizations on Earth made laws against jealousy. For example, one of the Ten Commandments prohibits the coveting of property of one's neighbors.

Pride can be described as irrational belief in one's own superiority. What makes pride so serious is not only the fact that it is voluntary, but also it is wholly concerned with oneself. Christian doctrine teaches strongly against pride. The religious explanation of why pride is bad is because by elevating yourself you, at the same time, devalue God's position as the omnipotent creator. Satan himself was punished for his pride, his belief that he could defeat God, his own creator. However, pride, when examined in non-religious terms, is not really that serious. Pride in moderation, confidence, can be conducive to success, and a certain amount of pride in humanity is definitely required for us to delve into the secrets of nature and advance science and technology. For example, there existed absolute humility to God during the Early Middle Ages, resulting an absolute standstill in the advancement of science and technology. Excessive pride (for example, cocky bastards) can be annoying, but in the end it's nothing serious. Hurt pride can result in violence or fraud, but, when taken in perspective of the possible consequences of the effect of the other deadly sins on humanity, it definitely does not deserve the position as the most serious of the seven deadly sins.

Ugh, seems like I went ahead and wrote an essay on FAKKU. What a way to start the New Year eh. >_>