the seven deadly sins
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Raze wrote...
Ugh, seems like I went ahead and wrote an essay on FAKKU. What a way to start the New Year eh. >_>
it seems like you can aim to become a preacher raze ^^
and in my opinion, this is called the seven deadly sins coz' all of them is linkd to one another
for example
pride-------envy(coz' you're pride affecting you)-------lust(you lust for it)------gluttony(you feel like you can't lose your thing)------greed(you start wanting it all)------sloth(apathy or disconcern for others after getting what you want)---------wrath(if you lose your thing)------pride again(coz' you feel so damn pride of beating the hell out of those who take your thing)
oh and Raze,
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Damn Raze, you'll get an A+ for that.
In my opinion, simple lack of self control is the cause of manifestations of those seven sins.
If someone couldn't control his temper, he could easily get angry over the most trivial things.
If someone never feel satisfied with his life, he often get jealous with other people, and will end up wanting everything that his neighbors have.
If someone doesn't want to get out from his comfort zone to do his duty, he'll become a lazy ass.
If someone couldn't control his dirty thoughts every time he sees the opposite (or same) gender, he'll eventually give in to his desires.
If someone couldn't acknowledge or afraid of people better than him, he'll become an arrogant bastard.
I wouldn't call them deadly sins, because all seven of them are naturally inside each one of us, with different proportions and different potential to grow worse in every person. For example, some people are more hot-headed than the others, some people are lazier than the others,etc. What makes them deadly is when we can't control them, resulting to wrongdoings, crimes, degradation, murders, and so on. Those are what I call sins.
In fact, a proper dose of those 'sins' can make positive results. For example, your pride won't allow you to lose to another people, so you strive to be the best. And TV remote control? It's because people were too lazy to get up from the couch to change the channel so the invented it. And it's the greatest invention I've ever know. Just remember that too much of those 'sins' resulting into real sins. Everything is good, but too much of everything is bad.
The key to avoid doing sinful things is to know them. That's why religions are born, laws are made by authorities, norms and social rules are made. You already know that rape is sinful and leads you to jail, so don't rape. At least fap :P.
In my opinion, simple lack of self control is the cause of manifestations of those seven sins.
If someone couldn't control his temper, he could easily get angry over the most trivial things.
If someone never feel satisfied with his life, he often get jealous with other people, and will end up wanting everything that his neighbors have.
If someone doesn't want to get out from his comfort zone to do his duty, he'll become a lazy ass.
If someone couldn't control his dirty thoughts every time he sees the opposite (or same) gender, he'll eventually give in to his desires.
If someone couldn't acknowledge or afraid of people better than him, he'll become an arrogant bastard.
I wouldn't call them deadly sins, because all seven of them are naturally inside each one of us, with different proportions and different potential to grow worse in every person. For example, some people are more hot-headed than the others, some people are lazier than the others,etc. What makes them deadly is when we can't control them, resulting to wrongdoings, crimes, degradation, murders, and so on. Those are what I call sins.
In fact, a proper dose of those 'sins' can make positive results. For example, your pride won't allow you to lose to another people, so you strive to be the best. And TV remote control? It's because people were too lazy to get up from the couch to change the channel so the invented it. And it's the greatest invention I've ever know. Just remember that too much of those 'sins' resulting into real sins. Everything is good, but too much of everything is bad.
The key to avoid doing sinful things is to know them. That's why religions are born, laws are made by authorities, norms and social rules are made. You already know that rape is sinful and leads you to jail, so don't rape. At least fap :P.
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Interesting. Let me criticize (as in evaluate, not diss the shit out of) some of your points.
Now, if any of you have done any Biblical study and understand what sin really is, it is because they naturally reside within us that makes them sin. St. Paul taught that all of Earth as we know it is under the dominion of Satan, who rules with the power of death. Death IS sin, and manifests itself in our flesh. It is precisely because our bodies will one day fail us and we will die that causes us to sin. In other words, what you call the seven deadly sins are merely manifestations of death and our desire to avoid it.
St. Paul taught that, although we will all die, there is a way to save oneself (salvation). Jesus came down to earth and put on a flesh body so he could take all of humanity's sins onto himself. Baptism is a holy ritual that basically makes your body one with Jesus. Because Jesus is God, he cannot truly die, and thus if one is baptised and lives a sinless life, his flesh body will die, but his spirit will live on with Jesus and God in heaven, liberated from sin/death.
With that said, yes, the capacity to sin is within us. Each and every one of us is an amalgamation of our body (flesh/sin/death) and our spirit (mind/salvation/life), which is constantly battling against each other.
We also need to remember that, at the time when Christianity dominated all thought (the Middle Ages, which is also when Spice and Wolf was set! XD), the only thing people cared about was to escape sin and go to heaven. Everything was about God and joining him in heaven. To even think of delving into nature's secrets and thus God's work was unforgivable. Reason was exercised, but was restricted to Theology under Thomistic Synthesis. Therefore, for example, exercising reason to invent the remote control would fall under Sloth (for being lazy) and Pride (for thinking you are worthy of delving into God's secrets to invent the remote control), and would definitely be condemned.
But of course it's impossible to avoid all sin since, according to Christianity, sin is a part of us. St. Paul did say that if you couldn't restrain your incontinency you could appease it a bit. For example, without food, you'll die, obviously, and delaying the satisfaction of lust will result in its buildup with potentially dire consequences; thus, St. Paul allowed marriage, even though marriage (when reduced to its basic values) is all about sex (and therefore lust). Interesting that you bring up Aristotle's Theory of the Mean, where virtue of everything is to know where the middle is. Too much gluttony is bad, but too little will result in starvation. Too much anime/manga/hentai turns you into an otaku, but too little, well, you're missing out big time, pal.
Now, you yourself pointed something out. Laws and maybe even religion are manmade. It's not like they were written in nature. We invented them. For example, who said rape is wrong? For example, one could dismiss all moral values and argue it's conducive to procreation of our species.
In fact, let's take it a step further. Who said reason is inherent in human beings? Reason was simply invented by the Ancient Greeks and eventually adapted by the whole world. And, who said civilization was inherent in human beings either? Again, it was simply created by human beings. If the Ancient Greeks or ancient Sumeria did not exist, who knows what we would be like now? We could even say that we humans are only superior to animals because we invented reason and they didn't, but that's going off topic.
By the way, just to establish something. I am not Christian, I just happen to know too much for my own good. I'm more of a reason-orientated person, and thus I'm going straight to hell, if it exists. But I'm glad you guys like it.
somesome wrote...
I wouldn't call them deadly sins, because all seven of them are naturally inside each one of us, with different proportions and different potential to grow worse in every person. For example, some people are more hot-headed than the others, some people are lazier than the others,etc. What makes them deadly is when we can't control them, resulting to wrongdoings, crimes, degradation, murders, and so on. Those are what I call sins.Now, if any of you have done any Biblical study and understand what sin really is, it is because they naturally reside within us that makes them sin. St. Paul taught that all of Earth as we know it is under the dominion of Satan, who rules with the power of death. Death IS sin, and manifests itself in our flesh. It is precisely because our bodies will one day fail us and we will die that causes us to sin. In other words, what you call the seven deadly sins are merely manifestations of death and our desire to avoid it.
St. Paul taught that, although we will all die, there is a way to save oneself (salvation). Jesus came down to earth and put on a flesh body so he could take all of humanity's sins onto himself. Baptism is a holy ritual that basically makes your body one with Jesus. Because Jesus is God, he cannot truly die, and thus if one is baptised and lives a sinless life, his flesh body will die, but his spirit will live on with Jesus and God in heaven, liberated from sin/death.
With that said, yes, the capacity to sin is within us. Each and every one of us is an amalgamation of our body (flesh/sin/death) and our spirit (mind/salvation/life), which is constantly battling against each other.
somesome wrote...
In fact, a proper dose of those 'sins' can make positive results. For example, your pride won't allow you to lose to another people, so you strive to be the best. And TV remote control? It's because people were too lazy to get up from the couch to change the channel so the invented it. And it's the greatest invention I've ever know. Just remember that too much of those 'sins' resulting into real sins. Everything is good, but too much of everything is bad.We also need to remember that, at the time when Christianity dominated all thought (the Middle Ages, which is also when Spice and Wolf was set! XD), the only thing people cared about was to escape sin and go to heaven. Everything was about God and joining him in heaven. To even think of delving into nature's secrets and thus God's work was unforgivable. Reason was exercised, but was restricted to Theology under Thomistic Synthesis. Therefore, for example, exercising reason to invent the remote control would fall under Sloth (for being lazy) and Pride (for thinking you are worthy of delving into God's secrets to invent the remote control), and would definitely be condemned.
But of course it's impossible to avoid all sin since, according to Christianity, sin is a part of us. St. Paul did say that if you couldn't restrain your incontinency you could appease it a bit. For example, without food, you'll die, obviously, and delaying the satisfaction of lust will result in its buildup with potentially dire consequences; thus, St. Paul allowed marriage, even though marriage (when reduced to its basic values) is all about sex (and therefore lust). Interesting that you bring up Aristotle's Theory of the Mean, where virtue of everything is to know where the middle is. Too much gluttony is bad, but too little will result in starvation. Too much anime/manga/hentai turns you into an otaku, but too little, well, you're missing out big time, pal.
somesome wrote...
The key to avoid doing sinful things is to know them. That's why religions are born, laws are made by authorities, norms and social rules are made. You already know that rape is sinful and leads you to jail, so don't rape. At least fap :P.Now, you yourself pointed something out. Laws and maybe even religion are manmade. It's not like they were written in nature. We invented them. For example, who said rape is wrong? For example, one could dismiss all moral values and argue it's conducive to procreation of our species.
In fact, let's take it a step further. Who said reason is inherent in human beings? Reason was simply invented by the Ancient Greeks and eventually adapted by the whole world. And, who said civilization was inherent in human beings either? Again, it was simply created by human beings. If the Ancient Greeks or ancient Sumeria did not exist, who knows what we would be like now? We could even say that we humans are only superior to animals because we invented reason and they didn't, but that's going off topic.
By the way, just to establish something. I am not Christian, I just happen to know too much for my own good. I'm more of a reason-orientated person, and thus I'm going straight to hell, if it exists. But I'm glad you guys like it.
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Raze wrote...
Interesting. Let me criticize (as in evaluate, not diss the shit out of) some of your points.somesome wrote...
I wouldn't call them deadly sins, because all seven of them are naturally inside each one of us, with different proportions and different potential to grow worse in every person. For example, some people are more hot-headed than the others, some people are lazier than the others,etc. What makes them deadly is when we can't control them, resulting to wrongdoings, crimes, degradation, murders, and so on. Those are what I call sins.Now, if any of you have done any Biblical study and understand what sin really is, it is because they naturally reside within us that makes them sin. St. Paul taught that all of Earth as we know it is under the dominion of Satan, who rules with the power of death. Death IS sin, and manifests itself in our flesh. It is precisely because our bodies will one day fail us and we will die that causes us to sin. In other words, what you call the seven deadly sins are merely manifestations of death and our desire to avoid it.
St. Paul taught that, although we will all die, there is a way to save oneself (salvation). Jesus came down to earth and put on a flesh body so he could take all of humanity's sins onto himself. Baptism is a holy ritual that basically makes your body one with Jesus. Because Jesus is God, he cannot truly die, and thus if one is baptised and lives a sinless life, his flesh body will die, but his spirit will live on with Jesus and God in heaven, liberated from sin/death.
With that said, yes, the capacity to sin is within us. Each and every one of us is an amalgamation of our body (flesh/sin/death) and our spirit (mind/salvation/life), which is constantly battling against each other.
somesome wrote...
In fact, a proper dose of those 'sins' can make positive results. For example, your pride won't allow you to lose to another people, so you strive to be the best. And TV remote control? It's because people were too lazy to get up from the couch to change the channel so the invented it. And it's the greatest invention I've ever know. Just remember that too much of those 'sins' resulting into real sins. Everything is good, but too much of everything is bad.We also need to remember that, at the time when Christianity dominated all thought (the Middle Ages, which is also when Spice and Wolf was set! XD), the only thing people cared about was to escape sin and go to heaven. Everything was about God and joining him in heaven. To even think of delving into nature's secrets and thus God's work was unforgivable. Reason was exercised, but was restricted to Theology under Thomistic Synthesis. Therefore, for example, exercising reason to invent the remote control would fall under Sloth (for being lazy) and Pride (for thinking you are worthy of delving into God's secrets to invent the remote control), and would definitely be condemned.
But of course it's impossible to avoid all sin since, according to Christianity, sin is a part of us. St. Paul did say that if you couldn't restrain your incontinency you could appease it a bit. For example, without food, you'll die, obviously, and delaying the satisfaction of lust will result in its buildup with potentially dire consequences; thus, St. Paul allowed marriage, even though marriage (when reduced to its basic values) is all about sex (and therefore lust). Interesting that you bring up Aristotle's Theory of the Mean, where virtue of everything is to know where the middle is. Too much gluttony is bad, but too little will result in starvation. Too much anime/manga/hentai turns you into an otaku, but too little, well, you're missing out big time, pal.
somesome wrote...
The key to avoid doing sinful things is to know them. That's why religions are born, laws are made by authorities, norms and social rules are made. You already know that rape is sinful and leads you to jail, so don't rape. At least fap :P.Now, you yourself pointed something out. Laws and maybe even religion are manmade. It's not like they were written in nature. We invented them. For example, who said rape is wrong? For example, one could dismiss all moral values and argue it's conducive to procreation of our species.
In fact, let's take it a step further. Who said reason is inherent in human beings? Reason was simply invented by the Ancient Greeks and eventually adapted by the whole world. And, who said civilization was inherent in human beings either? Again, it was simply created by human beings. If the Ancient Greeks or ancient Sumeria did not exist, who knows what we would be like now? We could even say that we humans are only superior to animals because we invented reason and they didn't, but that's going off topic.
By the way, just to establish something. I am not Christian, I just happen to know too much for my own good. I'm more of a reason-orientated person, and thus I'm going straight to hell, if it exists. But I'm glad you guys like it.
Looking forward to more of such posts from you, they were very insightful. Who knew you can learn new things from a hentai site? But well, this is Fakku, expect the unexpected. Rep you when I can. :D
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[quote]You got this idea from the History Channel's series didn't you?[quote]
well the series did spark the initial flame that is this thread. i didnt watch it, i was just looking at how they spoke about envy, and how it can be good, so i decided to get everyone elses opinion about the sins. plus i dont think christianity is a rational religion. i dont hate christianity, but it just doesnt seem logical to me, so that was another reason for doing this thread.
well the series did spark the initial flame that is this thread. i didnt watch it, i was just looking at how they spoke about envy, and how it can be good, so i decided to get everyone elses opinion about the sins. plus i dont think christianity is a rational religion. i dont hate christianity, but it just doesnt seem logical to me, so that was another reason for doing this thread.
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Ugh, I wish I learned more English. I want to share more of my thoughts, but I had a hard time translating them to english, so I stopped halfway. Anyway thanks for your evaluation Raze :)
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Every religion has its own rational and irrational teachings. I found some other religions are more illogical than christianity(no offense, just my thought), but in the end that's up to yourself to believe. Religion is something personal, if a man truly believe in it with his heart, it's hard to be converted no matter what kind of argument you have.
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nzephier wrote...
i dont hate christianity, but it just doesnt seem logical to me, so that was another reason for doing this thread.Every religion has its own rational and irrational teachings. I found some other religions are more illogical than christianity(no offense, just my thought), but in the end that's up to yourself to believe. Religion is something personal, if a man truly believe in it with his heart, it's hard to be converted no matter what kind of argument you have.
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Raze wrote...
Before I venture into discussion, I want to establish one thing. Sin, in the Christian sense, basically damns one to hell. To commit sin is to get oneself to hell, and forgo divine salvation in favor of the influences of the flesh and death.Has anyone read Dante's Divine Comedy? It provides a lot of insight into the nature of Christian sin. In part one, Inferno, he splits Hell into nine concentric circles, each catering for a different type of sin under three broad groups: Incontinence, Violence, and Fraud. All those who are punished outside the City of Dis have sinned on Incontinence. Out of the seven deadly sins, this would clearly include three of them (Lust, Gluttony, and Greed), but Dante also punishes the slovenly and the wrathful outside Dis.
According to Dante, Incontinence, while still a sin, results from our inability to control the desires of the flesh (which, if you know anything about Christianity, is where sin acts on all through death). Thus, the incontinent turn away from God and succumb to Satan, and are punished in hell for this. A non-religious explanation as to why incontinence is bad is the lack of self-restraint, allowing our base desires to dominate our reason. This is bad for two reasons. One, it is evidence of a flawed personality. Two, it breaks down social order and stability if uncontrolled. For example, lust can cause adultery and rape, and greed causes disputes and can lead to worse things, such as envy from another person. Gluttony I'm not too sure, because you can't really say it harms anyone else (let's assume the glutton has more than enough food, and this food doesn't need to be fed to anyone else; is gluttony really that bad now?). I'll settle for the fact that gluttony is a sign of a flawed personality, an inability to control one's appetite.
The sin of Sloth is more than just laziness. It is a serious form of apathy, one that turns you away from God. The slovenly basically lose hope for everything and don't care about what is happening in their own world or in heaven. You don't have to be lazy to be a sloth; you qualify as one if you just don't give a shit about anything, including getting to heaven, which qualifies it as a sin. On a non-religious standpoint, the slothful are bad because they don't contribute to society. However, again, it is not clear whether a sloth would really affect anyone else, as with gluttony.
Wrath is more serious. It refers to uncontrolled anger and/or hate, and can lead to violence. Dante punishes the simply wrathful outside the City of Dis, but within Dis, in the seventh bolga, God punishes the violent. In other words, anger by itself is not that serious (probably because anger by itself can have nothing to do with self-interest), but the violence that results from anger is very serious indeed. It is interesting that Dante punishes the suicidal very, very severely, because he sees suicide as violence towards oneself.
And we have the last two deadly sins, envy and pride. These two have been regarded as the most serious of the seven because, unlike incontinence, it does not involve the succumbing of the spirit (reason) to the flesh (desires, apathy, anger): it also involves corruption of the spirit. In other words, envy and pride is voluntary: the envious and the proud were not simply overpowered by something, but chose to sin.
Envy is an enhanced form of jealousy. It does not overlap with greed because greed is concerned with what you already have and is thus incontinence, while envy is concerned with what someone else has and you do not. Thus, envy can be interpreted as hatred against God for being unfair. Envy results in violence and fraud: for example, a jealous husband may murder his wife and her lover. People may swindle money and property away from the rich. Robbery can result. The detrimental quality of envy can be seen from the fact that the earliest civilizations on Earth made laws against jealousy. For example, one of the Ten Commandments prohibits the coveting of property of one's neighbors.
Pride can be described as irrational belief in one's own superiority. What makes pride so serious is not only the fact that it is voluntary, but also it is wholly concerned with oneself. Christian doctrine teaches strongly against pride. The religious explanation of why pride is bad is because by elevating yourself you, at the same time, devalue God's position as the omnipotent creator. Satan himself was punished for his pride, his belief that he could defeat God, his own creator. However, pride, when examined in non-religious terms, is not really that serious. Pride in moderation, confidence, can be conducive to success, and a certain amount of pride in humanity is definitely required for us to delve into the secrets of nature and advance science and technology. For example, there existed absolute humility to God during the Early Middle Ages, resulting an absolute standstill in the advancement of science and technology. Excessive pride (for example, cocky bastards) can be annoying, but in the end it's nothing serious. Hurt pride can result in violence or fraud, but, when taken in perspective of the possible consequences of the effect of the other deadly sins on humanity, it definitely does not deserve the position as the most serious of the seven deadly sins.
Ugh, seems like I went ahead and wrote an essay on FAKKU. What a way to start the New Year eh. >_>
You just got an award for longest non-fic post I've ever seen written here on FAKKU. Good job, Raze. xD
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nzephier wrote...
basically i want your guys' intake on the seven deadly sins. the only one i think that is "sin-like" is pride. pride is the only one that can cloud judgment, and is probably (more so than likely) the reason why hitler did what he did with the whole holocaust thing.Hitler had a serious case of Parkinson's disease that made him incredibly stubborn. Whatever else drove him to his final solution, that was a significant factor in keeping him on his path; at least certainly after the point where Germany started losing.
In regards to the sins, they're primarily just things that lead to the breaking of the Commandments and straying from God. Like almost everything in the world, there's a threshold level of safety before they actually warrant fixing. Everyone is lazy at times. We all have pride. We all have desires. For moderates, the sins are a tool to keep yourself in check. For extremists they're a tool for control and fear mongering. Particularly the "new sins" that, while they're well meaning for the most part, are useless and fucking stupid.
I'm atheist so "sin" in itself means nothing to me.
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Raze, I love you for that 'essay'.
Platonically, of course. Sort of a brotherly 'holy-shit-you-rule' kinda way.
It doesn't make much sense - I know that.
I am also more atheist than religious. What pisses me off is I am only hanging onto that thread of religion due to fear of death.
Of course, I also believe religion is histories most elusive mass-murderer, so I'm totally leaning towards atheism.
*shrugs*
I've not much to say right now.
Platonically, of course. Sort of a brotherly 'holy-shit-you-rule' kinda way.
It doesn't make much sense - I know that.
I am also more atheist than religious. What pisses me off is I am only hanging onto that thread of religion due to fear of death.
Of course, I also believe religion is histories most elusive mass-murderer, so I'm totally leaning towards atheism.
*shrugs*
I've not much to say right now.
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Raze wrote...
Before I venture into discussion, I want to establish one thing. Sin, in the Christian sense, basically damns one to hell. To commit sin is to get oneself to hell, and forgo divine salvation in favor of the influences of the flesh and death.Has anyone read Dante's Divine Comedy?
I LOVE Dante's Inferno though I never had the chance to read the rest such as purgatory or Paradiso
Not only do you get my rep for my essay you also gained a lot of respect from me.
P.S. You need to post more!
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I'm only 80% sure of this so if I'm wrong dont be afraid to lay into me.
The one problem with comparing the seven deadly sins to christian beliefs which it is tied to is that the seven deadly sins were established by Dante an Italian author not the bible. It was later adapted into christian belief when it got popular enough like so many other things which christianity has taken over to help spread the faith.
Christmas which was a pagan celebration (90% sure) and the image of god which is Zeus from Greek mythology (100% sure) are just a few other things christianity took over to spread its faith in the early days.
P.S.
I don't have a problem with Jesus just the group that was formed from it.
The one problem with comparing the seven deadly sins to christian beliefs which it is tied to is that the seven deadly sins were established by Dante an Italian author not the bible. It was later adapted into christian belief when it got popular enough like so many other things which christianity has taken over to help spread the faith.
Christmas which was a pagan celebration (90% sure) and the image of god which is Zeus from Greek mythology (100% sure) are just a few other things christianity took over to spread its faith in the early days.
P.S.
I don't have a problem with Jesus just the group that was formed from it.
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pumpkin king wrote...
The one problem with comparing the seven deadly sins to christian beliefs which it is tied to is that the seven deadly sins were established by Dante an Italian author not the bible. The modern concept of the Seven Deadly Sins is linked to the works of the 4th century monk Evagrius Ponticus, who listed eight "evil thoughts" as follows:
Gluttony; fornication; avarice; sorrow; anger; discouragement; vainglory; pride.
Pope Gregory I changed the "evil thoughts" into sins and and shortened the list from eight to seven. It was commonly accepted since it's the freakin pope.
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Raze wrote...
Ugh, seems like I went ahead and wrote an essay on FAKKU. What a way to start the New Year eh. >_>
I think you deserve a Cookie.
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Raze wrote...
Interesting. Let me criticize (as in evaluate, not diss the shit out of) some of your points.somesome wrote...
I wouldn't call them deadly sins, because all seven of them are naturally inside each one of us, with different proportions and different potential to grow worse in every person. For example, some people are more hot-headed than the others, some people are lazier than the others,etc. What makes them deadly is when we can't control them, resulting to wrongdoings, crimes, degradation, murders, and so on. Those are what I call sins.Now, if any of you have done any Biblical study and understand what sin really is, it is because they naturally reside within us that makes them sin. St. Paul taught that all of Earth as we know it is under the dominion of Satan, who rules with the power of death. Death IS sin, and manifests itself in our flesh. It is precisely because our bodies will one day fail us and we will die that causes us to sin. In other words, what you call the seven deadly sins are merely manifestations of death and our desire to avoid it.
St. Paul taught that, although we will all die, there is a way to save oneself (salvation). Jesus came down to earth and put on a flesh body so he could take all of humanity's sins onto himself. Baptism is a holy ritual that basically makes your body one with Jesus. Because Jesus is God, he cannot truly die, and thus if one is baptised and lives a sinless life, his flesh body will die, but his spirit will live on with Jesus and God in heaven, liberated from sin/death.
With that said, yes, the capacity to sin is within us. Each and every one of us is an amalgamation of our body (flesh/sin/death) and our spirit (mind/salvation/life), which is constantly battling against each other.
somesome wrote...
In fact, a proper dose of those 'sins' can make positive results. For example, your pride won't allow you to lose to another people, so you strive to be the best. And TV remote control? It's because people were too lazy to get up from the couch to change the channel so the invented it. And it's the greatest invention I've ever know. Just remember that too much of those 'sins' resulting into real sins. Everything is good, but too much of everything is bad.We also need to remember that, at the time when Christianity dominated all thought (the Middle Ages, which is also when Spice and Wolf was set! XD), the only thing people cared about was to escape sin and go to heaven. Everything was about God and joining him in heaven. To even think of delving into nature's secrets and thus God's work was unforgivable. Reason was exercised, but was restricted to Theology under Thomistic Synthesis. Therefore, for example, exercising reason to invent the remote control would fall under Sloth (for being lazy) and Pride (for thinking you are worthy of delving into God's secrets to invent the remote control), and would definitely be condemned.
But of course it's impossible to avoid all sin since, according to Christianity, sin is a part of us. St. Paul did say that if you couldn't restrain your incontinency you could appease it a bit. For example, without food, you'll die, obviously, and delaying the satisfaction of lust will result in its buildup with potentially dire consequences; thus, St. Paul allowed marriage, even though marriage (when reduced to its basic values) is all about sex (and therefore lust). Interesting that you bring up Aristotle's Theory of the Mean, where virtue of everything is to know where the middle is. Too much gluttony is bad, but too little will result in starvation. Too much anime/manga/hentai turns you into an otaku, but too little, well, you're missing out big time, pal.
somesome wrote...
The key to avoid doing sinful things is to know them. That's why religions are born, laws are made by authorities, norms and social rules are made. You already know that rape is sinful and leads you to jail, so don't rape. At least fap :P.Now, you yourself pointed something out. Laws and maybe even religion are manmade. It's not like they were written in nature. We invented them. For example, who said rape is wrong? For example, one could dismiss all moral values and argue it's conducive to procreation of our species.
In fact, let's take it a step further. Who said reason is inherent in human beings? Reason was simply invented by the Ancient Greeks and eventually adapted by the whole world. And, who said civilization was inherent in human beings either? Again, it was simply created by human beings. If the Ancient Greeks or ancient Sumeria did not exist, who knows what we would be like now? We could even say that we humans are only superior to animals because we invented reason and they didn't, but that's going off topic.
By the way, just to establish something. I am not Christian, I just happen to know too much for my own good. I'm more of a reason-orientated person, and thus I'm going straight to hell, if it exists. But I'm glad you guys like it.
Now that's interesting...for a non-Christian guy, you know as much as a Theology College Student Know....and yes...you're absolutely right...And I just want to add something...
When someone is baptized and live a sinless life??...that was absurd...baptized or not, we are Human anyway...and as you said..Human is made of flesh themselves, so living without sin is not possible even for Paus himself... what it means by baptized is, to truly Accept Christ in us, so we have Christ in us so when the time Our SOul separated from our Flesh, we got our soul purified by Him...In the other words, The Only way To Heaven...
If you're asking what if a baptized Christian that have a Hard heavy Sin with a Non-Christian with a Good Life and heart... It's simple...The Baptized Christian into heaven while the rest to hell...why??..
Think of it like this...if we think Sin as the DEADLIEST Poison, does drinking a water with a little of this poison or with a lot of poison makes difference??...No matter How Little the Poison is in the water, it's all DEADLY... that's where Baptize is the purifier that will totally Neutralize the poison no matter How Much it is...
And I dont said that Christian can live a SINFUL life for the rest of their life after they're baptized.... Accepting Christ in your heart means taht you're vow to do the very best you can to Live like Him..thus, if a baptized guy is still as sinful as ever after he got baptized, then it's all no use...Baptize is a symbol...What counts is what really inside your heart....
and same with somesome..I had a hard time to share my thoughts because of my lack of English...
And, before someone will start arguing, I humbly ask to Keep in mind that We're talking about religion, so please Respect each other and their beliefs