Vaccination - It SAVES Lifes - Get Vacced TODAY!
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Wasn't sure whether to necrobump or to make a new thread, but...eh, whatever. I'll post it here.
It's kinda depressing to hear that more and more parents are not giving their kids the proper vaccines needed. I was just reading on Orac's blog about how in certain parts of California, 51% of kids are unvaccinated. I am supremely disappointed with these idiots in my state. As Orac says:
So there we have it. Unvaccinated children are a danger to other unvaccinated kids and vaccinated kids alike. There is a very real danger that the big bad diseases of the pre-vaccine era--polio, measles, smallpox, pertussis, etc.--are making a comeback because of the lack of vaccinations. There have been incidences of schools being shut down because of pertussis and measles already, and honestly, this is scary shit.
What are the reasons parents refuse to vaccinate? Orac mentions fear of vaccines causing autism, asthma and other diseases even if it has already been proven over and over again that vaccines do not cause these diseases. Another reason he mentions is that parents think that "natural" is better and that if you just live healthily, but honestly, it doesn't matter how much you exercise and how much raw organic natural vegan whatever shit food you eat--if the disease gets you and you're not immunized, you are screwed. Maybe screwed less than a person who isn't healthy to begin with, but still screwed.
The only reason to avoid vaccinations is if your doctor is absolutely sure that they will be harmful; for example, if the kid has had a bad reaction to a certain vaccine, then they shouldn't continue with that particular vaccine but still should be immunized against everything else. Any other reason to refuse is, frankly, stupid and dangerous.
It's kinda depressing to hear that more and more parents are not giving their kids the proper vaccines needed. I was just reading on Orac's blog about how in certain parts of California, 51% of kids are unvaccinated. I am supremely disappointed with these idiots in my state. As Orac says:
Spoiler:
So there we have it. Unvaccinated children are a danger to other unvaccinated kids and vaccinated kids alike. There is a very real danger that the big bad diseases of the pre-vaccine era--polio, measles, smallpox, pertussis, etc.--are making a comeback because of the lack of vaccinations. There have been incidences of schools being shut down because of pertussis and measles already, and honestly, this is scary shit.
What are the reasons parents refuse to vaccinate? Orac mentions fear of vaccines causing autism, asthma and other diseases even if it has already been proven over and over again that vaccines do not cause these diseases. Another reason he mentions is that parents think that "natural" is better and that if you just live healthily, but honestly, it doesn't matter how much you exercise and how much raw organic natural vegan whatever shit food you eat--if the disease gets you and you're not immunized, you are screwed. Maybe screwed less than a person who isn't healthy to begin with, but still screwed.
The only reason to avoid vaccinations is if your doctor is absolutely sure that they will be harmful; for example, if the kid has had a bad reaction to a certain vaccine, then they shouldn't continue with that particular vaccine but still should be immunized against everything else. Any other reason to refuse is, frankly, stupid and dangerous.
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shinji_ikari
Mustn't Run Away...
I approve of vaccination , but I don't approve of the scientific community just pushing stuff out ,without sufficient testing..though to be fair I apply this logic to ALL forms of medicine...it's all good ,and dandy until your dicking around in viral studies makes a strain immune to all available medication...*cough* SUPER E COLI *cough*
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some employers here requires you to have immunization, maybe because they don't want to spend those insurance accounts that they had.......
'im pro-vacc cause it's a standard practice here, an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.....my parents just wanna make sure about it so i was vaccinated back then....
'im pro-vacc cause it's a standard practice here, an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.....my parents just wanna make sure about it so i was vaccinated back then....
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
I believe there certain vaccinations that you need to do, some are just crap you don't need unless your immune system sucks... flu shot is one of them.
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Flaser
OCD Hentai Collector
animefreak_usa wrote...
I believe there certain vaccinations that you need to do, some are just crap you don't need unless your immune system sucks... flu shot is one of them.Wrong. Just because your own immune system is good enough, doesn't mean everyone else's is. You have a point though:
Should we push vaccines onto everyone, even if they can't afford them? No.
Should we allow dumb idiots to endangers those who're unfortunate to be at risk, for refusing to take a 10$ vaccine, that has been proven to drastically reduce the chance of the ailment (not deadly disease, not bad infection, just an ailment that could endanger a wide number of people) from spreading? Hell no.
We spend money in various ways to protect people spending a couple of bucks on a vaccine, so you protect others is well within my ethos of reasonable duty.
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animefreak_usa wrote...
I believe there certain vaccinations that you need to do, some are just crap you don't need unless your immune system sucks... flu shot is one of them.If you have a good immune system, it's more for the protection of other people. Herd immunity and all that. You wouldn't want to spread the flu to your sickly grandma, leading to her death, right? Or to a baby whose immune system isn't fully developed...
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Nekohime wrote...
animefreak_usa wrote...
I believe there certain vaccinations that you need to do, some are just crap you don't need unless your immune system sucks... flu shot is one of them.If you have a good immune system, it's more for the protection of other people. Herd immunity and all that. You wouldn't want to spread the flu to your sickly grandma, leading to her death, right? Or to a baby whose immune system isn't fully developed...
Flaser wrote...
animefreak_usa wrote...
I believe there certain vaccinations that you need to do, some are just crap you don't need unless your immune system sucks... flu shot is one of them.Wrong. Just because your own immune system is good enough, doesn't mean everyone else's is. You have a point though:
Should we push vaccines onto everyone, even if they can't afford them? No.
Should we allow dumb idiots to endangers those who're unfortunate to be at risk, for refusing to take a 10$ vaccine, that has been proven to drastically reduce the chance of the ailment (not deadly disease, not bad infection, just an ailment that could endanger a wide number of people) from spreading? Hell no.
We spend money in various ways to protect people spending a couple of bucks on a vaccine, so you protect others is well within my ethos of reasonable duty.
And i don't disagree. Some people need it because their bodies can't fight the simple stuff but not everybody need it. That one of the problem with people today are too germphobic. Stuff like antibiotics for a cold or hand sanitizers. Nature is the best medicine, your bodies make the stuff to fight the flu and bacteria. Should you vaccinate your kids, yes if it a problem get it. I'm a diabetic i'm suppose to get the flu shot but i make me get sicker that if i had the flu and only been sick three time in my life. My kid had her Rubella vaccination and had to be hospitalize because she had a bad reaction to it, but it was better than get it and dying. I got a small pox and hep b vaccination when i was in the army i lived, a guy in my unit died. Some stuff we don't need but yes children need their vacs.
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And this is why I'm glad that certain vaccines are compulsory and medicine is subsided here in NZ.
Its a good thing to have compulsory vaccines, it should be pushed onto everyone.
Its a good thing to have compulsory vaccines, it should be pushed onto everyone.
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Vaccines are all nice, but if everyone gets them, then the virus often adjusts to the current one and becomes even more powerful.
This also applies to antibiotics. The more used, the more likely something is to become resistant to and evolve above.
You should get vaccines if you're going to need them, and the more frail constitution type people should definitely get the ones for the flu and such.
But you shouldn't have everyone push to get them. Because while it might create herd immunity, it will also create stronger viruses, faster.
And the H1N1 was pure hype. It killed less people than the regular flu which we actively had vaccines for.
This also applies to antibiotics. The more used, the more likely something is to become resistant to and evolve above.
You should get vaccines if you're going to need them, and the more frail constitution type people should definitely get the ones for the flu and such.
But you shouldn't have everyone push to get them. Because while it might create herd immunity, it will also create stronger viruses, faster.
And the H1N1 was pure hype. It killed less people than the regular flu which we actively had vaccines for.
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Vaccinations killed my wife and raped my daughter.
I get vaccinated every year and look how I turned out. If you wanna end up like me then go get vaccinated.
I get vaccinated every year and look how I turned out. If you wanna end up like me then go get vaccinated.
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The last time I got vaccinated was about 7 years ago.
I got a small flu last year, but apart from that, I haven't caught anything.
I do urge to take a vaccine if available, for safe measure.
I got a small flu last year, but apart from that, I haven't caught anything.
I do urge to take a vaccine if available, for safe measure.
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With certain diseases the risk of natural infection is lower than the risk of getting it by vaccine, so unless it's a zombie virus you should think about whether it's worth it. And the other shit that comes in the vaccine isn't good for you ether. You guys can trust me on this; I'm a cop.