When are you going to get an Xbox One or PS4?

Sorry to shut you down but the only thing I am arguing is that RPG players can't be considered hardcore gamers, everything else I've written is statement of fact. Also, please educate yourself on when and where commas should be used.

You're generalizing way too much. You seem to think every console game is easy and therefore casual? Casual games are like Farmville and the shit people play on smartphones. You're coming across as an elitist douche right now. The only thing that matters are games. For example, I play a lot of Japanese RPGs and the large majority of them are on consoles only. Therefore, I buy a console if I want to play them. It's that simple. It has nothing to do with whoring myself out or being an ignorant sheep. I'm not sure why you seem to hate consoles so much.

Also, I still find your view of "hardcore" and "casual" to be very odd. Give me some examples of games you find "hardcore". Not that it matters either way. I play games because I enjoy them and not so that I can stroke my dick to how "hardcore" I am.

Oh and Demons Souls

• RPG

• Console only

• Not a game for 6 year olds or soccer moms

• Sure as hell not casual

• Not impossible by any means but it still does require some skill

I never said anything about time spent playing equating to hardcore either. That was Futabot.

I find myself in agreement all games are made with their target audience in mind and have the ability to adjust the difficulty for those who like a challenge so I see no reason to bitch over it.

Now from the argument provided I agree with Ammy again you are making yourself out to be an elitist douchebag.......I hate those people with a passion they ruin games for other people.

Demon Souls and its second title Dark Souls are both challenging RPG's if you are saying RPGs aren't challenging you probably arent playing the right ones.

I could go on but I have laundry to do.

I was referring to RPGs, I fail to see how that makes what I'm saying a general statement about every single game played on consoles, but thanks for taking my words completely out of context. In my earlier reply I even mentioned that racing and fighting games can be considered viable for hardcore play.

Just because the only thing that matters to you are the games doesn't mean you're not playing into a scam for control over your gaming experience. If anything that just proves what I was saying earlier about you being part of the blind and ignorant masses.

A hardcore game needs to have e-sports capabilities and the majority of RPGs simply aren't viable for e-sports play; especially not ones like Demon Souls. A hardcore gamer needs to be competitive, skilled and in it to win. A few years ago my standards were different but in this day and age a huge amount of people are into games, new standards need to be set. It's not like it was back in the day; I'm not going to consider every fourteen year old out there who sits at their xbawks and plays Call of Duty for eight hours a day a hardcore gamer. Frankly it's insulting when they consider themselves as such.

Also, I got the chance to play through Demon Souls via borrowing a console from my friend after he continually berated me to try it out. Maybe it's all those years of competitive gaming behind me, or the fact that I've played through a few hundred RPGs in my time, or the fact that I've seen a few thousand game mechanics succeed and fail... Demon's Souls was like child's play to me. Predictable attack patterns, obvious gear choices, it was not a hard game in any sense of the imagination. It's not like Total War, Quake, DotA or Counter-strike where I can go up against a real person that might have the ability to react faster and outwit me.

You know what, I am being an elitist prick! I take pride in my ability, pride in my experience; if you don't like it, tough shit.

The main point is that RPGs and consoles in general are not exclusively for "casuals". You may find RPGs to be easy but throwing them all into the "casual" category is just plain retarded. Again, casual games are like smartphone games and other easily accessible stuff that anyone can play. I never said anything about CoD fags being hardcore either.

Also, I'm still not quite sure why buying a console is a scam.

Here's an example. Let's say...

I have 5+ games that I'm interested in and really want to play
They're all on consoles only
I have money so I buy the console and games
I play the games and enjoy them
Money well spent
More console only games are released that I want
I buy them
Buying the console was worth it

How is that a scam? The games I want to play are on consoles only so I have no other choice, right? There's nothing ignorant about that. I can't control developers and tell them to make PC versions of their games.

A console is essentially a personal computer, it has very, very similar hardware and is capable of performing the same tasks. But, a console has an operating system that limits the capabilities of what the user is able to do with that hardware, why? Because that allows the companies that produce them to have greater control of your gaming experience. It also allows them to impose even more retarded limitations and unethical DRM solutions. They are scamming you by making you pay more for less, making you think you actually have to buy into their bullshit. It's not the developers that are scamming you, it's Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo.

If people stopped supporting consoles, there would be zero need to buy three entirely different types in order to play the exclusives they want. Everything would be produced universally for the a single, upgradable, consumer repairable system. Developers would have access to a much wider audience and wouldn't have to choose one market over another. If you buy a console, you are playing into that bullshit and allowing yourself to be screwed. On the bright side, you get to play your 'exclusives' and if you seriously want to support this retarded scam for control and money you are a blind sheep. You are the cause of forking money out of your ass to play exclusive games and deal with retarded limitations.

Well, if you can destroy the console market and make it so that games are made only for PCs then go right ahead. If a game I'm interested in is only on consoles then there's nothing I can do about it.

Also, I don't "fork money out of my ass" either. About 95% of the games I play don't even have online features. The only thing I buy is the console, the game, and rarely some DLC. I play a lot of JRPGs on my PS3 and Sony really doesn't fuck with my experience. [size=1]The people that do fuck with my experience are the localization companies but that's another topic altogether.[/h]

Shit, for Destiny, Kingdom Hearts 3, and Final Fantasy 15, I'll be a "blind sheep" any day. Buying a PS4 day one.

That kind of thought pattern is the same reason greedy and corrupt organizations are able to run rampant. 'There's nothing I can do about it', please, you could try looking for other games to play; there are thousands of them out there that are just as enjoyable, eastern and western. In the end if you buy the console you're still allowing yourself to be screwed out of your money, less for more, but it's your choice. I'm not trying to force you not to participate in the sham, just pointing out that it does in fact exist and that people have little idea how ridiculous and greedy the concept of consoles are in this day and age.

Alright, let's say I decide to buy a PS4 a year after it's release. At this point there's at least 5+ games that I really want for it. What do I do? I could not buy it but will that do shit? Probably not. There needs to be a significant amount of people who don't buy it to really impact sales. If you can organize some kind of "consoles suck; don't buy them" campaign then be my guest. In simpler terms; the majority of people don't think like you. There will be some PC elitists who don't buy it but that number probably won't matter too much overall. I don't think Sony is some greedy/corrupt/unethical company either so I don't mind supporting them. To be clear, I'm not against PC gaming. The main thing I give a shit about is games and whatever platform they're on is not under my control. Would it be nice if everything was playable on one system? Hell yes it would but that's not how things currently work. Will anything change if everyone has the thought pattern of "there's nothing I can do about it"? Of course it won't but I can't change the general mindset of people and I'm assuming you can't either. This being said, I actually won't support a company if they do something I'm strongly against. Sony doesn't fall into this "strongly against" category though. They do have some things about them that I dislike but nothing bad enough for me to not buy a PS4.

"you could try looking for other games to play; there are thousands of them out there that are just as enjoyable, eastern and western."
Why would I do that? I know what I like and it's not as simple as "looking for other games". The majority of the games I like are Japanese anyways. If you know anything about Japanese games then you should know that a lot of them are on consoles only.

There are plenty of things Sony has done that have been deemed greedy and corrupt, just because you haven't heard about them doesn't mean they don't exist. Naturally people generally only ever notice the things that affect their own life and not others, so I can't really blame you for that because it's true for most people and even myself.

Changing the mindset of the people isn't actually all that hard, but the "I'm just one man what can I do?" conundrum often stops it from happening. In reality you probably have friends on PSN or Live no? All it takes is for a few hundred people to talk to one or two of their friends and getting them to change their views to start a chain reaction, social virality. However, if no one ever actually takes the initiative, nothing will ever happen.

On top of that, you have the ethical choice, are you okay with giving into your own desires even if it means supporting an unethical concept?

Like I said though, at the end of the day it's your choice; ethically and logically. If you feel your pleasures are more important than refusing to support a broken system then by all means, buy the console, play the games. It's not my right to judge you based on that so it's not like I will think less of you for it, not that the judgement of some random person on the internet should matter anyway.

Exactly what does Sony (or Nintendo or Microsoft) do that makes them so unethical? I know you said something about DRM but what else?

On top of that, you have the ethical choice, are you okay with giving into your own desires even if it means supporting an unethical concept?
Yes and no. If Sony is out murdering and raping people then I obviously wouldn't support them.

I'll get one when I get the time.
I'm having a little problem balancing my university, work, social life, relationship and my own me time.

I already have seen some games I want on ps4, but for now I'll wait until all the glitches and mistakes show up on the first year of release. By that time it'll be cheaper as well

Inside preorder info from two stores in my region.

Only 21 people pre ordered the ps4.

I may get a ps4, but I'm investing in improving my pc rig. Modding games like skyrim or gta4 totally changed my perspective on pc gaming

This thread is lulzworthy. If you honestly think getting rid of the console market would work, you're an idiot. As much as you want to argue that the Wii sucks, it sells games and the PC can't play Wii games without some kind of peripheral.

And I hope you're not forgetting the handheld market because PC master race my ass. If you can lug around a PC and monitor on the train or in your pocket then kudos. And, since the handheld market exists, if your crack-induced, console-less world was real, Nintendo and Sony would have a leg up since out of all the developers, they've already broken into that market. So, in addition to trying to make games, more successful developers would try and innovate to break into the handheld market (because PCs can't do everything) for more cash. ...Which leads us back to consoles. A company might pull a Nintendo and make a home console that can do something PCs can't do simply by design and the fact they're catch-alls and not specialized. Whether people buy it, who knows, but it might be a breath of fresh air.

So, yeah, whoopty-doo for PC master race, but, to be honest, I'd hate having to drag my tower around and hook up my computer to a TV every time I wanted to play Mario Kart with 3 friends, then drag it back when we're done. Not to mention computers would have to have 4 USB ports by default from then on. So, yeah, PCs cool and all, but consoles will always exist in one form or another sry2say.

When did I ever say anything about handhelds? I was clearly referring to the likes of the PS3, XBox and Wii. Also, most MOBO come with 6-8 USB ports standard now. There's also this little thing called a notebook or a laptop that seem to be quite popular and most have hardware that is more than capable of rendering Wii games. So there goes your whole excuse for not lugging around a tower everywhere. Smart phones are also quickly becoming mini computers capable of handling desktop applications and some pretty decent games, in fact there's been a huge push in the business world to create synergy between mobile devices, desktops and notebooks. They aren't limited devices like the Vita or DS and once they have the right hardware you're going to see a pretty sharp decline in handheld console sales. I might also point out that consoles are going to be selling less as well, I mean, just take a look at PS3 vs PS2 sales, down thirty million units by the end of it's life-cycle.

You can't just say innovation would lead us straight back to consoles, where is your evidence? Hell, where is your logic even? There's nothing there to back that up, not even a half-assed theory.

There is nothing a console can do that a PC isn't capable of. Motion detectors? We've had fucking USB motion detectors for ages. Motion controllers? Yeah we've had those too. VR headsets? Since at least the mid 90s. All of the peripherals for consoles are developed using PCs, so it only makes sense that all the technology available for them would need to work on a PC first. There are so many things that a PC is capable of that consoles aren't, none of what you've said changes the fact that you're screwing yourself over by paying more for less.

I shouldn't have even responded to your strawman argument, thanks for twisting and skewing my words into something they're not, though I was happy to shut your pathetic excuse for a rebuttal down anyways.

There is no way I can beat your argument about the pc being better then the console, because it's true. The real reason I still get a console is because I have a bunch of friends that come over every day, and having a console is a lot more efficient when you want to play local multiplayer.

Yea i get that you could get the game for pc and connect your controllers to it through various means, but it doesn't feel the same when you and a bunch of friends sit around a console passing around controllers. The console is viewed as a better means to playing games since it is made for one purpose, playing games.

It is hard to compare the computer to a console mainly because computers are made for much more than just gaming(well i guess consoles are going down that multi-use path). Computers are faster, better graphics, have a lot more uses other than gaming, awesome mods that you can add to the game, etc... Pc is good at what it's made for, but it doesn't bring people together like a console can.

I'm not trying to say the console is better than the pc, but the console has its parts that shine compared to the pc making it worth getting.

Oh boy. A PC Master Race person...

Topic: Not anytime soon. Going to wait 2-3 years before I do get one. PS4 btw.