crimson875 Posts
Just felt like chipping in two cents on this. How come none of the people arguing with softbanker have yet to argue that the idea of "normal" is subjective and changes every generation?
@Prinnybomb: Thanks for subbing in my absence but, I really wasn't planning on arguing with softbanker since I already knew it would boil down to this.
Edit: Thank you SapphireFlames.
@Prinnybomb: Thanks for subbing in my absence but, I really wasn't planning on arguing with softbanker since I already knew it would boil down to this.
Edit: Thank you SapphireFlames.
Chlor wrote...
Forever? You would seriously give up your own welfare to the benefit of others? I doubt you would if you somehow winded up in this situation.And frankly, just what the hell do you mean that I don't deserve freedom OR safety. Yes, I admit that I am a coward and that I choose safety over freedom. (And as long as you are no puffed-up, self-righteous douche you should have no problem with this.)I would do this any day if it came to an extreme situation like this. Because it would benefit me more than living in a free, but harsh world where I would get nothing without working my ass of.
Then call me a puffed-up self-righteous douche for looking down on you for such an asinine decision. You'd rather life in a tiny box like some caged animal, then ever have to deal with the hardships of life.
gibbous wrote...
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Gays are evolutionary betrayers, I'll give you that much. They disregard the very reason why we exist, which is to reproduce.You have just made E. O. Wilson very sad. Along with ants, bees, wasps, termites and any other social insect.
That's fine, the insects will get over it. Though, thanks for bringing up E.O. Wilson. Adds another item to the list of things I need to read.
Chlor wrote...
Seriously, who here would be willing to work for anything but personal gain?Me.
Chlor wrote...
I don't choose peace over freedom for the sake of my fellow citizen either, I choose because I want peace and order.You choose safety over liberty. Frankly, you deserve neither. Only a coward would liberty for his own safety.
You've already drawn the absolute of pure anarchy in the streets with liberty and yet you drive the dictatorship idea only a little. As if that one man would never abuse his power. You wouldn't have cameras in your own home, tracking devices in your car or on your person for everyone's safety. That the Dictator wouldn't brainwash the youth to see him as a god king. That he wouldn't censor any and all ideas he disagreed with regardless of the facts. That everyday your home and person would be searched on a daily basis or that anything you "own" could be taken from you at a moments notice without reason.
If you want this to be fair, then you have to use the same extreme for dictatorship as you do liberty.
softbanker wrote...
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
softbanker wrote...
It isn't normal so it isn't fine.So how about you justify your stance champ.
A male has penis its for penetrating a vagina so that it can perfectly implant a sperm which is to reproduce, that is the normal way to use it and yeah just in case for some smartass its also used for peeing. The vagina is perfectly designed for the penis to be penetrated and also for peeing and giving birth.
You see using things they are not NATURALLY designed for can't be called normal. Will you say its normal if a man is breast feeding or being pregnant? Or using a frying pan as a fan? Or using a shovel as a spoon?
Gays are evolutionary betrayers, I'll give you that much. They disregard the very reason why we exist, which is to reproduce. I'll also give you credit for not using the same tired argument of 'it's unnatural because you don't see gay animals" along with the myriad of other flawed or outright wrong arguments.
Tsurayu wrote...
AxlHardy20 wrote...
Well,have you heard of Rafael Trujillo(Troo-he-yo)?What I meant by "harsh dictator"is someone who has ABSOLUTE control,and kills any and everyone who oposes you,or disaggrees with you.isn't that the point of a dictator or tyrant?
No. It doesn't have to be anyway. I'm not saying that most dictatorships aren't like that, but it isn't impossible for their to be benevolent dictators who truly have their hearts set on their people and their culture.
Think of it this way. You may not have many individual freedoms or even a say in how your government works, but things get done at a much faster and complete rate than a democracy. People bicker, argue and fight in democracy and sometimes things, even very important things, don't get taken care of. You don't have that problem with a dictatorship. Granted that only applies if the ruling party agrees with it, but I digress.
If you can come up with two dictatorships(excluding monarchies) that didn't brutally oppress the citizens of that country then maybe you'd have a valid argument. It's too much power in the hands of one individual and those with power seek to abuse it.
Chlor wrote...
Well, I choose the dictator because of the fact that it says "No more violence and suffering forever"So basically it wouldn't end up in war? Right? Since a war would bring suffering and violence, breaking the "forever" part.
You are reading it too literally. He's asking us to decide between freedom and all of the problems we'll face or living in a police state.
You are honestly telling me that you would prefer to live in an Orwellian society over being free? Having people tell you what to do, tell you where to work, what your job is, having information held from you, not being allowed to voice your opinion if you disagree with the dictatorship? Not having any privacy (so they can keep everybody "safe"). The list goes on.
I'd choose freedom hands down and never even consider living in a police state even if it meant death.
To me, living without being free is equivalent to slavery. No matter how safe and protected you are or how well taken care of you are. You're still a slave because you don't have control over the most important thing, yourself.
To me, living without being free is equivalent to slavery. No matter how safe and protected you are or how well taken care of you are. You're still a slave because you don't have control over the most important thing, yourself.
gibbous wrote...
I find neither attractive, but neither do I feel threatened by either.All gays and lesbians I've met IRL were deeply disturbed, horrible people though.
care to elaborate?
Kuroneko1/2 wrote...
Maxiart wrote...
Kuroneko1/2 wrote...
I'm from the minority that finds yuri/lesbians disgusting. The same for yaoi/homos. I cannot tolerate it.I think I should elaborate my post since this is SD but i've already stated my opinion and I have nothing to add.
edit: Hey look, i'm the only one who voted for "both not fine".
Guy or gal?
Take a guess.
trick question. He's a eunuch (spadone) you know, snip snip.
one2hit wrote...
I've also not argued that if the Founding Fathers were Atheists we'd be any different today from it. We'd likely have the same documents, and same separation of church and state. I've only argued - well at least speculated - that nations themselves would be better off not being founded by religious beliefs. Or at least, I should say not propagating the belief system in schools, government, and societies. Better than they would be with them.The problem here isn't with integration of church into government, or doctrine into law, as it is in Saudi Arabia and other countries. The problem is with the belief system itself being supported and spread among individuals. Intolerance, anti-science, and discrimination. Obviously these are things that can't be controlled or dictated due to our individual freedoms - I view this as a good thing anyways. The problem with society this way is that education isn't as good as it should be, it isn't encouraged, and children are often indoctrinated into certain religious beliefs without choice. If we are to make progress with regards to freethinking and humanism it'll have to come through better education, and social and cultural changes. These are dictated, if anything, by the people and generations themselves. Our world is changing in ways that it never has before. I wonder sometimes if we are on the verge of another intellectual renaissance & enlightenment, or on the brink of a new dark age of anti-science, mysticism, paranoia and nationalism. Coupled with terrorism and nuclear ambition it is really a frightening prospect.
I'm trying to see where we disagree which I'm having no luck finding. Wait, does that mean we actually agree?
Spoiler:
Gremlin wrote...
. . . . . WTFizzatshityouaresayingFPoDdesu? Someone found his pr0n stash and he lost his access to teh intarwebz because of that?
When your stash is on the family computer...and your parents find out about it. Yeah, he lost access to the interblogs because somebody found the stuff he choked his fried chicken too or is it to?
one2hit wrote...
I'm not entirely convinced that Deism then is equivalent to Agnosticism now. Deism then, as it is now, held a belief in a God, albeit without dogmatism or doctrine specifically. Agnosticism now holds no belief in a God, like Atheism. The difference is that Agnosticism allows for you to also hold no belief that God doesn't exist as well. It's an opinion of uncertainty, where Deism, by it's own definition, is a belief in a deity of some sort. Unless you are mentioning Agnostic Theism (which is still different) Deism hasn't ever been equivalent to Agnosticism, which is in fact closer to Atheism without any aforementioned attachments to other theistic beliefs at all.How I was comparing them was the train of thought back then. Today we view agnostics as the "one the fence" people. Deists were just that back then, "one the fence" between religions.
Even if the Founding Fathers were complete and utter Atheists then the country couldn't be much different other than plainly stating that state will remain a secular one.
Other than that I see no way the country would have taken a big turn away from how it is now other than the western expansion of the U.S. never occurring. Due to the notion that White people would bring "God" to the heathen Indians or that the U.S. was "gods gift to us".
Hoshi wrote...
You should do your own version of how to catch a predator!I think you alone would make the world a safer place!
*hug*
Don't get ahead of yourself. That was just a list I grabbed off another site. I already knew that rape sometimes involved other "reasons" than just sexual ones but, I couldn't remember the exact list.
I'm just a humble FPoD
I appreciate the virtual hug though.
Htarreva wrote...
Mmmm.... I heard that a man no longer feels the urge to have sex if their no longer have their manhood. Or is that wrong? (i recall seeing this on tv a time ago when i used to watch tv. And the man was getting a new(similar) manhood surgery because he lost his manhood and could no longer feel any urges.)You are correct but, you missed the point I was making. To some offenders it wasn't about sexual gratification. It was about power over another being. Reasons they have used are:
1 For their own pleasure.
2 To get revenge.
3 Hate over an event that has/will happen.
4 To ease hate.
5 Due to the loss of hope.
6 Hormones.
7 To make the victim suffer.
8 Due to the rapest wanting sexual intercorse with their partner, but their partner breaks up with them before doing so.
9 And the most evilest, to cause pain to another being.
10 Control
Htarreva wrote...
Hmmm, what I'm thinking of is.... If the person is registered as a sex offender, depending on how severe their crime was and how many offends they have....I think they should have their "pleasure area" "Disabled" somehow, seeing how they cannot control or use the thing down there properly. This might even reduce sex offend rate by scaring people away from offending.You can remove their ability to actually have intercourse through things like chemical castration but, you can't remove that urge that is ingrained into their minds. In some cases you'd actually push the repeat offenders to commit a more brutal crime as they have frustration over the loss of ejaculation.
Most sex crimes are not about sex itself but, more about power over someone else. Do some research on the mind of sex offenders and you'll learn that little tidbit.
Gremlin wrote...
Callonia wrote...
Why not just get a cheap laptop if you can afford it?It's probably not so much the lack of a comp (tho that may hav sumthin to do with it) as it is the fact that good internet doesn't exactly come cheap. With internet access, you really do get what you pay for; if you shell out big bucks odds are you're getting sum badass bandwidth, conversely if you're dropping chump change for internet, you really aren't getting shit for that money. Or it could be that Hinata`s Pimp AKA lil`Von here is one of the unfortunate individuals in the world who's place of residence is outside of all his local internet provider's coverage areas. Whichever one it is, I hereby salute him for his downright ballsiness and commitment to this site needed in an act such as accessing FAKKU from a public terminal. Oh, and before I forget.......~desu.
His stash was found and he lost internet access at home through the single computer they had. He's more of a victim of poor porn hiding.
Still gotta applaud him for having a set to access it from a public terminal.
Welcome back Von.
one2hit wrote...
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Most of the Founders were Deists, although some were Christian. Some were opposed to organized religion. If you read Article 6 ("...no religious test for any office..."), it's clear they were designing a secular society.
I'm fairly certain that it's common knowledge that the Founding Fathers still believed in God even if they were not intent on establishing religion. Nobosaki's question was what if they didn't believe in God [at all]?
We have a secular government, being that we do not impose religious law. That doesn't say anything about the types of beliefs elected officials hold, or that the majority of citizens hold either. Atheism and secular beliefs are still a minority (although growing) group.
If the Founding Fathers never believed in the first place we'd be in the same spot as we are in now. Deism in the 1700-1800's was equivalent to Agnostic today. Yes, the Founding Fathers believed in a God but, not a Judaeo–Christian god. This difference (though very slim to some) makes a huge difference. Look at the other "religious" countries around the world. What similarities do they have? How do they differ from the U.S. and (secular) Western Europe?
ShaggyJebus wrote...
If I had to choose a political party, I'd pick Democrat. But I don't think every single person should be a Democrat. I'd hope that all people would feel the same way, that the political party they endorse should not be the only political party. Why? Because that makes people lazy. Without different sides, there is only uniformity. That's my view on politics.Political party has nothing to do with this type of conversation. There are idiots in both parties, in all parties actually. There are religious Democrats and secular Republicans.
Edit: Not saying that religious people are idiots with that statement just saying that political affiliation has nothing to do with the topic.
